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RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues - 4/30/2015 12:56:02 PM   
Sanity


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There are no studies from the right or the left that suggest that immigration has any influence on wages except micro-economically at the lowest levels pay and employment which should be higher no matter how many are looking for work.

Slaves had jobs, didn't do them much good.

No drug use let alone heroin use is anywhere significant enough to render ineffective any single policy change needed to address inequality.

The US govt. is not seizing property or wealth at all. That's figment of far too many peoples' imagination. Taxes on corporations and the top brackets, continue to be at or about a 60 year low.


Thats also a long way from realistic, the claim that the government doesnt seize property / wealth

Its called the tax code, the IRS

Obamas goon squad

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RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues - 4/30/2015 12:59:00 PM   
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Its terrible that you have such a pathetic knowledge of history, yet run your yap like you actually have some intellect.

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RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues - 4/30/2015 1:00:29 PM   
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Thats also a long way from realistic, the claim that the government doesnt seize property / wealth

Its called the tax code, the IRS

Obamas goon squad


Speaking of...

Some of the emails that Lois Lerner thought she had destroyed have been recovered

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RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues - 4/30/2015 1:03:45 PM   
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If people want a living wage then enforce the immigration laws, for one thing. The current flood of cheap labor undercutting even the poorest Americans is a REAL issue


Illegal immigration/legal immigration is a drop in the bucket compared to all the jobs that your beloved American corps have outsourced to China, India, etc etc.. That is the REAL issue.. those are jobs and wages lost forever and that money will never circulate (& create more jobs) in the local/US economy (unlike those immigrants here that spend money on food, gas, vehicles, rent, homes, tools, supplies, clothes etc here).. I know a (legal) Mexican 20+year immigrant that buys clothes & stuff here to send to her relatives in Mexico cuz the stuff she can get here costs less and is better quality than what you can buy in Mexico..

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RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues - 4/30/2015 1:08:26 PM   
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Thats also a long way from realistic, the claim that the government doesnt seize property / wealth

Its called the tax code, the IRS

Obamas goon squad


Speaking of...

Some of the emails that Lois Lerner thought she had destroyed have been recovered



Wait, now you are speaking of Ws goon squad, Lerner and her boss were W appointees.


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RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues - 4/30/2015 1:13:44 PM   
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Thats also a long way from realistic, the claim that the government doesnt seize property / wealth

Its called the tax code, the IRS

Obamas goon squad

If you dont want to pay tax here then why dont you leave?.. go find a country that doesnt tax you in some form.. pretty hard to find one worth going to, I'd say.. but maybe you wouldnt mind living in UAE or Saudi Arabia..

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RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues - 4/30/2015 1:16:45 PM   
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RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues - 4/30/2015 1:18:01 PM   
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If you want others to provide you with everything you need, why don't you move to Cuba

when did i say i wanted others to provide me with anything, let alone everything?

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RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues - 4/30/2015 1:20:59 PM   
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If people want a living wage then enforce the immigration laws, for one thing. The current flood of cheap labor undercutting even the poorest Americans is a REAL issue

There are other things that can help

Teach children to pay attention in school, dont do heroine... Avoid the thug life as glamorized in the media, and work their tails off

Government seizing peoples' property / wealth doesnt help, it just makes everyone poor as seen in the USSR, Cuba, China etc etc etc


There are no studies from the right or the left that suggest that immigration has any influence on wages except micro-economically at the lowest levels pay and employment which should be higher no matter how many are looking for work.

Slaves had jobs, didn't do them much good.

No drug use let alone heroin use is anywhere significant enough to render ineffective any single policy change needed to address inequality.

The US govt. is not seizing property or wealth at all. That's figment of far too many peoples' imagination. Taxes on corporations and the top brackets, continue to be at or about a 60 year low.


http://cis.org/High-Cost-of-Cheap-Labor
http://cis.org/immigration-and-the-american-worker-review-academic-literature

Typical liberal not knowing, understanding or caring what he's talking about.

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RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues - 4/30/2015 1:26:37 PM   
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http://cis.org/High-Cost-of-Cheap-Labor
http://cis.org/immigration-and-the-american-worker-review-academic-literature

Typical liberal not knowing, understanding or caring what he's talking about.



They just follow talking points

Even when its pointed out that their talking points are a lie you will find the same ones repeating the same lie the next day
Just as with the NYT propaganda in the OP... That shits been swatted down repeatedly in these forums yet here it is again




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RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues - 4/30/2015 1:29:27 PM   
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And the implied claim that everything on the list is because we have yet to convert to communism is insane


You do understand that the United States of America runs under several different types of economic schools of thought? In some areas capitalism is run, in others, socialism. Yes, even communism is at work. Much of the US marketplace is regulated capitalism. The marketplace is handled by our form of government. In different areas the government handles in several different ways. We have as a whole a Democratic Republic, while many corporations are based on the feudal system. Sole proprietors is just a fancy and nice word for a dictatorship!






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RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues - 4/30/2015 1:30:00 PM   
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Leftists love far left biased sources such as the New York Times and MSNBC, PBS, the BBC for their "news"...

Other though, prefer more balanced sources for news and information

To each their own

Oh I agree and the trouble is, nobody can find any on the right or any that support the right's policy prescriptions.


http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/SupplySideEconomics.html

Once again, not knowing or caring about what he's talking about. Just wants to spew.

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RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues - 4/30/2015 1:33:01 PM   
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And the implied claim that everything on the list is because we have yet to convert to communism is insane


You do understand that the United States of America runs under several different types of economic schools of thought? In some areas capitalism is run, in others, socialism. Yes, even communism is at work. Much of the US marketplace is regulated capitalism. The marketplace is handled by our form of government. In different areas the government handles in several different ways. We have as a whole a Democratic Republic, while many corporations are based on the feudal system. Sole proprietors is just a fancy and nice word for a dictatorship!








Gees, joe, are you going to spew too. Okay, provide links. I have. Otherwise, I already know what you think you know. It's spewed all over the rag main stream media.

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RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues - 4/30/2015 1:34:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HunterCA
http://cis.org/High-Cost-of-Cheap-Labor
http://cis.org/immigration-and-the-american-worker-review-academic-literature

Typical liberal not knowing, understanding or caring what he's talking about.



They just follow talking points

Even when its pointed out that their talking points are a lie you will find the same ones repeating the same lie the next day


You two follow conservative talking points without an ounce of deviation from the course those in the power demand. If they tell you to suck their cock, you'll kneel in an instance and worship happily.

So don't give us the bullshit....

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RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues - 4/30/2015 1:37:25 PM   
HunterCA


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Status: offline 		Most leftists don't realize Kennedy thought much the same about economics as did Reagan.

The 1975–1985 period was an era of great debate about the impact of supply-side policies. The supply siders highlighted the positive evidence from two earlier major tax cuts—the Coolidge-Mellon cuts of the 1920s and the Kennedy tax cut of the 1960s. Between 1921 and 1926, three major tax cuts reduced the top marginal rate from 73 percent to 25 percent. The Kennedy tax cut reduced rates across the board, and the top marginal rate was sliced from 91 percent to 70 percent. Both of these tax cuts were followed by strong growth and increasing prosperity. In contrast, the huge Hoover tax increase of 1932—the top rate was increased from 25 percent to 63 percent in one year—helped keep the economy depressed. As the economy grew slowly in the 1970s and the unemployment rate rose, supply-side economists argued that these conditions were the result of high tax rates due to high inflation.

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RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues - 4/30/2015 1:39:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA
http://cis.org/High-Cost-of-Cheap-Labor
http://cis.org/immigration-and-the-american-worker-review-academic-literature

Typical liberal not knowing, understanding or caring what he's talking about.



They just follow talking points

Even when its pointed out that their talking points are a lie you will find the same ones repeating the same lie the next day


You two follow conservative talking points without an ounce of deviation from the course those in the power demand. If they tell you to suck their cock, you'll kneel in an instance and worship happily.

So don't give us the bullshit....



Gees joe...all butt hurt already. Not one link from you just spewing. Name calling usually implies an infantile mind joe.

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RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues - 4/30/2015 1:49:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nothing could be further from the truth. Kennedy stimulated our economy across a very wide front.

Reagan was only concerned with Defense.

Kennedy tried to cut taxes across the board. 'Republicans' rejected it. It didnt pass until LBJ.

Reagan was only concerned with the highest rates.

Kennedy was still in the Tariff era, and wanted to open reciprocal trade.

Reagan was a full out free market communist. And the largest move to unfettered military-industrial complex, and monopolization and amoral corporatism took place under Reagan.


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RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues - 4/30/2015 1:51:47 PM   
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Nothing could be further from the truth. Kennedy stimulated our economy across a very wide front.

Reagan was only concerned with Defense.

Kennedy tried to cut taxes across the board. 'Republicans' rejected it. It didnt pass until LBJ.

Reagan was only concerned with the highest rates.

Kennedy was still in the Tariff era, and wanted to open reciprocal trade.

Reagan was a full out free market communist. And the largest move to unfettered military-industrial complex, and monopolization and amoral corporatism took place under Reagan.


Jibberish.

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RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues - 4/30/2015 1:58:27 PM   
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Nothing could be further from the truth. Kennedy stimulated our economy across a very wide front.

Reagan was only concerned with Defense.

Kennedy tried to cut taxes across the board. 'Republicans' rejected it. It didnt pass until LBJ.

Reagan was only concerned with the highest rates.

Kennedy was still in the Tariff era, and wanted to open reciprocal trade.

Reagan was a full out free market communist. And the largest move to unfettered military-industrial complex, and monopolization and amoral corporatism took place under Reagan.


It's kinda pinkish because it's from NPR but here.

http://www.npr.org/2013/11/12/244772593/jfks-lasting-economic-legacy-lower-tax-rates

Congress approved the tax cuts three months after Kennedy was assinated jester. You spin it, as always, as if Republicans refused to deal with Kennedy.

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RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues - 4/30/2015 2:07:53 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		There aint no spin. It is as I said. Try not to spew geyers of stupidity like that while at the same time providing credible citations that I am right.

It makes you look fucking stupider, people can see you here.


http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/04/how-l-b-j-pushed-through-kennedys-tax-cut/?_r=0

when 'republicans' became free market communists (after wwII) they were the tax and spend crowd, now they are the borrow and spend crowd.

They are either for or against this stuff before they are for or against it.

They havent always been that way. Once there were republicans, and conservatives, now there are neither.

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