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mnottertail -> RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues (5/1/2015 7:36:12 AM)
Yeah, it isnt leftist keynesian theory, it is cowardly republican goons and thugs who are not legislating retaliation against dumping because of their borrowing so much money from the Chinese and Japanese.

MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues (5/1/2015 8:49:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA Frankly, I still think the battery technology would have been benificial to me living off grid. But then system failed with the whole Obama weird Keynesian spending thing. Leftist economic theory just does not work....ever. OK ok ok ... Sorry for the thread drift, but I would like to point something out, that might blow your mind. Believe it or not, it was Reagan who PROVED Keynsian spending worked! It wasn't his tax cuts that created jobs, it was his economic stimulus! He happened to spend it on defense, which at that time, was in a transition, which spurred new Engineering, Manufacturing, and Information Technology :) Ignorant Republican politicians (Newt, Paul Ryan (the faux intellectual of the group), Ted Cruz, Rick Santorum) to name a few, love to bring up Reagan as an economic success, and BADLY misunderstand WHY. If they only knew. There is definitely a real-life model for Republican economics. It is called Kansas. OK... Back to your regularly scheduled thread :)

HunterCA -> RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues (5/2/2015 1:04:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA Frankly, I still think the battery technology would have been benificial to me living off grid. But then system failed with the whole Obama weird Keynesian spending thing. Leftist economic theory just does not work....ever. OK ok ok ... Sorry for the thread drift, but I would like to point something out, that might blow your mind. Believe it or not, it was Reagan who PROVED Keynsian spending worked! It wasn't his tax cuts that created jobs, it was his economic stimulus! He happened to spend it on defense, which at that time, was in a transition, which spurred new Engineering, Manufacturing, and Information Technology :) Ignorant Republican politicians (Newt, Paul Ryan (the faux intellectual of the group), Ted Cruz, Rick Santorum) to name a few, love to bring up Reagan as an economic success, and BADLY misunderstand WHY. If they only knew. There is definitely a real-life model for Republican economics. It is called Kansas. OK... Back to your regularly scheduled thread :) Hum, my understanding was that the Reagan tax deal with the democrats actually cut defense spending 7%. I believe I posted s link to that earlier. He may have changed direction of the spending into new technology, but it wasn't a stimulus. I'm going to have to call BS on that unless you have some links.

MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues (5/2/2015 4:30:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA Frankly, I still think the battery technology would have been benificial to me living off grid. But then system failed with the whole Obama weird Keynesian spending thing. Leftist economic theory just does not work....ever. OK ok ok ... Sorry for the thread drift, but I would like to point something out, that might blow your mind. Believe it or not, it was Reagan who PROVED Keynsian spending worked! It wasn't his tax cuts that created jobs, it was his economic stimulus! He happened to spend it on defense, which at that time, was in a transition, which spurred new Engineering, Manufacturing, and Information Technology :) Ignorant Republican politicians (Newt, Paul Ryan (the faux intellectual of the group), Ted Cruz, Rick Santorum) to name a few, love to bring up Reagan as an economic success, and BADLY misunderstand WHY. If they only knew. There is definitely a real-life model for Republican economics. It is called Kansas. OK... Back to your regularly scheduled thread :) Hum, my understanding was that the Reagan tax deal with the democrats actually cut defense spending 7%. I believe I posted s link to that earlier. He may have changed direction of the spending into new technology, but it wasn't a stimulus. I'm going to have to call BS on that unless you have some links. Call BS all you want. Reagan's massive defense spending stimulated the economy. I know it, and everyone one my age in Info Tech knows it. I don't need any links... But if you want links... http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/scott-galupo/2011/11/01/ronald-reagan-practiced-keynesian-economics-successfully http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/reagan-bush-and-obama-we-are-all-still-keynesians http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-06-21/ronald-reagan-s-accidental-keynesian-stimulus-echoes I will correct one thing I said... I said that it wasn't his tax cuts that created jobs. At the middle-income level, they spurred demand. The upper end tax "cuts" were really tax (much needed) REFORM. Getting rid of the rid of the 20 different rates... The highest being a ridiculous 70% (which no one paid anyway) (coupled with getting rid of the loopholes which allowed the wealthy to avoid paying.) In order of impact: 1) The massive economic stimulus 2) Middle class tax cuts 3) Tax Reform Anyone who really understands economics understands this. Anyone who was working in IS, or Engineering at that time very well understands this (or should). Whether or not he intended it as a stimulus, he and Obama have proved Krugman right.

thishereboi -> RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues (5/2/2015 6:18:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Thats also a long way from realistic, the claim that the government doesnt seize property / wealth Its called the tax code, the IRS Obamas goon squad If you dont want to pay tax here then why dont you leave?.. go find a country that doesnt tax you in some form.. pretty hard to find one worth going to, I'd say.. but maybe you wouldnt mind living in UAE or Saudi Arabia.. Actually that suggestion would work for the op as well....just sayin [8D]

HunterCA -> RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues (5/3/2015 8:36:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Thats also a long way from realistic, the claim that the government doesnt seize property / wealth Its called the tax code, the IRS Obamas goon squad If you dont want to pay tax here then why dont you leave?.. go find a country that doesnt tax you in some form.. pretty hard to find one worth going to, I'd say.. but maybe you wouldnt mind living in UAE or Saudi Arabia.. Actually that suggestion would work for the op as well....just sayin [8D] No...don't want to pay ridicules taxes here, I'm not going to leave and I'll work every day to end the silly socialist system. [:)]

HunterCA -> RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues (5/3/2015 9:46:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA Frankly, I still think the battery technology would have been benificial to me living off grid. But then system failed with the whole Obama weird Keynesian spending thing. Leftist economic theory just does not work....ever. OK ok ok ... Sorry for the thread drift, but I would like to point something out, that might blow your mind. Believe it or not, it was Reagan who PROVED Keynsian spending worked! It wasn't his tax cuts that created jobs, it was his economic stimulus! He happened to spend it on defense, which at that time, was in a transition, which spurred new Engineering, Manufacturing, and Information Technology :) Ignorant Republican politicians (Newt, Paul Ryan (the faux intellectual of the group), Ted Cruz, Rick Santorum) to name a few, love to bring up Reagan as an economic success, and BADLY misunderstand WHY. If they only knew. There is definitely a real-life model for Republican economics. It is called Kansas. OK... Back to your regularly scheduled thread :) Hum, my understanding was that the Reagan tax deal with the democrats actually cut defense spending 7%. I believe I posted s link to that earlier. He may have changed direction of the spending into new technology, but it wasn't a stimulus. I'm going to have to call BS on that unless you have some links. Call BS all you want. Reagan's massive defense spending stimulated the economy. I know it, and everyone one my age in Info Tech knows it. I don't need any links... But if you want links... http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/scott-galupo/2011/11/01/ronald-reagan-practiced-keynesian-economics-successfully http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/reagan-bush-and-obama-we-are-all-still-keynesians http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-06-21/ronald-reagan-s-accidental-keynesian-stimulus-echoes I will correct one thing I said... I said that it wasn't his tax cuts that created jobs. At the middle-income level, they spurred demand. The upper end tax "cuts" were really tax (much needed) REFORM. Getting rid of the rid of the 20 different rates... The highest being a ridiculous 70% (which no one paid anyway) (coupled with getting rid of the loopholes which allowed the wealthy to avoid paying.) In order of impact: 1) The massive economic stimulus 2) Middle class tax cuts 3) Tax Reform Anyone who really understands economics understands this. Anyone who was working in IS, or Engineering at that time very well understands this (or should). Whether or not he intended it as a stimulus, he and Obama have proved Krugman right. This Krugman? http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbenko/2014/07/14/is-paul-krugman-leaving-princeton-in-quiet-disgrace/

HunterCA -> RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues (5/3/2015 10:32:10 AM)
This Obama? http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/03/america-s-cities-mirror-baltimore-s-woes.html http://www.ocregister.com/articles/percent-660119-recovery-first.html

MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues (5/3/2015 10:51:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Once there were republicans, and conservatives, now there are neither. I have made this point so many times. In fact, there used to be Conservative Republicans! Now there are Corporatists, and mindless sheep. When, a conservative problem solver (who actually UNDERSTANDS the issues, instead of merely the talking points), not beholden to corporate lobbyists, who is also a strong leader, is nominated by the Republican party, I will vote Republican in a heartbeat. Ron Paul fits that bill (minus the strong leader part). My .02

MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues (5/3/2015 10:54:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA This Obama? http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/03/america-s-cities-mirror-baltimore-s-woes.html http://www.ocregister.com/articles/percent-660119-recovery-first.html Yes. THAT Krugman, and THAT Obama (and let's not forget Reagan, even if it might have been by accident). 100% right on the economy.

HunterCA -> RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues (5/3/2015 11:35:10 AM)
Actually, the creation of the Tea Party movement inside the GOP was in recognition of your point. I don't know why leftists vilify it so much and then come up with "Occupy Wallstreet" to parody it. I do remember Nancy Pelosi and other leading "Progressives" egging Occupy on as they shat on police cars and raped the women in the camp. I also noticed the trash left behind by the earth sensitive Occupiers that you'd never see at a Tea Party rally.

MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues (5/3/2015 6:46:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA Actually, the creation of the Tea Party movement inside the GOP was in recognition of your point. I don't know why leftists vilify it so much and then come up with "Occupy Wallstreet" to parody it. I do remember Nancy Pelosi and other leading "Progressives" egging Occupy on as they shat on police cars and raped the women in the camp. I also noticed the trash left behind by the earth sensitive Occupiers that you'd never see at a Tea Party rally. I have heard that as well. The problem is, Tea Party rallies appear to be filled with dimwits who have a playskool understanding of the issues. They couldn't even tell you what the Boston tea Party was all about, All they know is "Hate Obama. Obama is a socialist." The have no clue what a socialist is. I only base this on TV interviews (which could be selective and biased). I have never actually been to a Tea Party rally. I look at the candidates they support (people who do not have a clue), and I am not impressed. My understanding is that Ron Paul started the Tea Party. If that is true, he must be shaking his head, because it has been taken over by dimwits.

HunterCA -> RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues (5/3/2015 6:59:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA Actually, the creation of the Tea Party movement inside the GOP was in recognition of your point. I don't know why leftists vilify it so much and then come up with "Occupy Wallstreet" to parody it. I do remember Nancy Pelosi and other leading "Progressives" egging Occupy on as they shat on police cars and raped the women in the camp. I also noticed the trash left behind by the earth sensitive Occupiers that you'd never see at a Tea Party rally. I have heard that as well. The problem is, Tea Party rallies appear to be filled with dimwits who have a playskool understanding of the issues. They couldn't even tell you what the Boston tea Party was all about, All they know is "Hate Obama. Obama is a socialist." The have no clue what a socialist is. I only base this on TV interviews (which could be selective and biased). I have never actually been to a Tea Party rally. I look at the candidates they support (people who do not have a clue), and I am not impressed. My understanding is that Ron Paul started the Tea Party. If that is true, he must be shaking his head, because it has been taken over by dimwits. I'd have to say that most of those perceptions are based from propaganda. In fact I remember members of the congressional black caucus spouting how they were spat upon and called the N word as they had to get through a Tea Party rally to get to work. Someone put up a cash $1,000,000 reward for anyone bringing a video, or any other proof, of that actually occurring. It hasn't been collected yet but a lot of videos have shown up showing union thugs being bussed in to cause trouble at Tea Party rally's. Believe me, nobody is more disappointed in Republicans getting into office and acting like liberals than me. I've emailed the RNC and told them I will never vote for another Bush. I hope other Republicans do the same.

HunterCA -> RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues (5/3/2015 7:07:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA Actually, the creation of the Tea Party movement inside the GOP was in recognition of your point. I don't know why leftists vilify it so much and then come up with "Occupy Wallstreet" to parody it. I do remember Nancy Pelosi and other leading "Progressives" egging Occupy on as they shat on police cars and raped the women in the camp. I also noticed the trash left behind by the earth sensitive Occupiers that you'd never see at a Tea Party rally. I have heard that as well. The problem is, Tea Party rallies appear to be filled with dimwits who have a playskool understanding of the issues. They couldn't even tell you what the Boston tea Party was all about, All they know is "Hate Obama. Obama is a socialist." The have no clue what a socialist is. I only base this on TV interviews (which could be selective and biased). I have never actually been to a Tea Party rally. I look at the candidates they support (people who do not have a clue), and I am not impressed. My understanding is that Ron Paul started the Tea Party. If that is true, he must be shaking his head, because it has been taken over by dimwits. Here's a sight with comments on the propaganda you're hearing. I don't vouch for the sight, it just came up. But it'll give you an example. http://www.akdart.com/obama123.html

MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues (5/3/2015 7:18:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA Actually, the creation of the Tea Party movement inside the GOP was in recognition of your point. I don't know why leftists vilify it so much and then come up with "Occupy Wallstreet" to parody it. I do remember Nancy Pelosi and other leading "Progressives" egging Occupy on as they shat on police cars and raped the women in the camp. I also noticed the trash left behind by the earth sensitive Occupiers that you'd never see at a Tea Party rally. I have heard that as well. The problem is, Tea Party rallies appear to be filled with dimwits who have a playskool understanding of the issues. They couldn't even tell you what the Boston tea Party was all about, All they know is "Hate Obama. Obama is a socialist." The have no clue what a socialist is. I only base this on TV interviews (which could be selective and biased). I have never actually been to a Tea Party rally. I look at the candidates they support (people who do not have a clue), and I am not impressed. My understanding is that Ron Paul started the Tea Party. If that is true, he must be shaking his head, because it has been taken over by dimwits. Here's a sight with comments on the propaganda you're hearing. I don't vouch for the sight, it just came up. But it'll give you an example. http://www.akdart.com/obama123.html Welllll ok... But... Being falsely accused of racism doesn't make them successful policy wonks. They have been around for many years now. I haven't heard a single constructive idea from them yet.

HunterCA -> RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues (5/3/2015 7:32:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA Actually, the creation of the Tea Party movement inside the GOP was in recognition of your point. I don't know why leftists vilify it so much and then come up with "Occupy Wallstreet" to parody it. I do remember Nancy Pelosi and other leading "Progressives" egging Occupy on as they shat on police cars and raped the women in the camp. I also noticed the trash left behind by the earth sensitive Occupiers that you'd never see at a Tea Party rally. I have heard that as well. The problem is, Tea Party rallies appear to be filled with dimwits who have a playskool understanding of the issues. They couldn't even tell you what the Boston tea Party was all about, All they know is "Hate Obama. Obama is a socialist." The have no clue what a socialist is. I only base this on TV interviews (which could be selective and biased). I have never actually been to a Tea Party rally. I look at the candidates they support (people who do not have a clue), and I am not impressed. My understanding is that Ron Paul started the Tea Party. If that is true, he must be shaking his head, because it has been taken over by dimwits. Here's a sight with comments on the propaganda you're hearing. I don't vouch for the sight, it just came up. But it'll give you an example. http://www.akdart.com/obama123.html Welllll ok... But... Being falsely accused of racism doesn't make them successful policy wonks. They have been around for many years now. I haven't heard a single constructive idea from them yet. Why would you have if all you're hearing is the racism charges. Your news is filtered. You can find it if you wish. I don't mean that as an insult. Usually, one of the first realizations made by a person who begins to see the conservative side is just how filtered the propaganda he's getting is.

MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues (5/3/2015 8:00:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA Actually, the creation of the Tea Party movement inside the GOP was in recognition of your point. I don't know why leftists vilify it so much and then come up with "Occupy Wallstreet" to parody it. I do remember Nancy Pelosi and other leading "Progressives" egging Occupy on as they shat on police cars and raped the women in the camp. I also noticed the trash left behind by the earth sensitive Occupiers that you'd never see at a Tea Party rally. I have heard that as well. The problem is, Tea Party rallies appear to be filled with dimwits who have a playskool understanding of the issues. They couldn't even tell you what the Boston tea Party was all about, All they know is "Hate Obama. Obama is a socialist." The have no clue what a socialist is. I only base this on TV interviews (which could be selective and biased). I have never actually been to a Tea Party rally. I look at the candidates they support (people who do not have a clue), and I am not impressed. My understanding is that Ron Paul started the Tea Party. If that is true, he must be shaking his head, because it has been taken over by dimwits. Here's a sight with comments on the propaganda you're hearing. I don't vouch for the sight, it just came up. But it'll give you an example. http://www.akdart.com/obama123.html Welllll ok... But... Being falsely accused of racism doesn't make them successful policy wonks. They have been around for many years now. I haven't heard a single constructive idea from them yet. Why would you have if all you're hearing is the racism charges. Your news is filtered. You can find it if you wish. I don't mean that as an insult. Usually, one of the first realizations made by a person who begins to see the conservative side is just how filtered the propaganda he's getting is. My news is filtered??? How would you know??? I hope you are not implying that I am a person who "begins to see the conservative side". IMO, there are two kinds of ideas: Good ones (based on facts, and sound judgement and reasoning), and bad ones (which lack those qualities). Some ideas could be labelled "liberal", some could be labelled "conservative". There are good ideas and bad ideas in both camps. Most good ideas end up being centrist. And BTW: Out of curiosity... What would you consider to be an UNFILTERED news source???? I am very curious to know! And also BTW: I had forgotten about the racism charges and dismissed them years ago.

HunterCA -> RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues (5/3/2015 8:11:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA Actually, the creation of the Tea Party movement inside the GOP was in recognition of your point. I don't know why leftists vilify it so much and then come up with "Occupy Wallstreet" to parody it. I do remember Nancy Pelosi and other leading "Progressives" egging Occupy on as they shat on police cars and raped the women in the camp. I also noticed the trash left behind by the earth sensitive Occupiers that you'd never see at a Tea Party rally. I have heard that as well. The problem is, Tea Party rallies appear to be filled with dimwits who have a playskool understanding of the issues. They couldn't even tell you what the Boston tea Party was all about, All they know is "Hate Obama. Obama is a socialist." The have no clue what a socialist is. I only base this on TV interviews (which could be selective and biased). I have never actually been to a Tea Party rally. I look at the candidates they support (people who do not have a clue), and I am not impressed. My understanding is that Ron Paul started the Tea Party. If that is true, he must be shaking his head, because it has been taken over by dimwits. Here's a sight with comments on the propaganda you're hearing. I don't vouch for the sight, it just came up. But it'll give you an example. http://www.akdart.com/obama123.html Welllll ok... But... Being falsely accused of racism doesn't make them successful policy wonks. They have been around for many years now. I haven't heard a single constructive idea from them yet. Why would you have if all you're hearing is the racism charges. Your news is filtered. You can find it if you wish. I don't mean that as an insult. Usually, one of the first realizations made by a person who begins to see the conservative side is just how filtered the propaganda he's getting is. My news is filtered??? How would you know??? I hope you are not implying that I am a person who "begins to see the conservative side". IMO, there are two kinds of ideas: Good ones (based on facts, and sound judgement and reasoning), and bad ones (which lack those qualities). Some ideas could be labelled "liberal", some could be labelled "conservative". There are good ideas and bad ideas in both camps. Most good ideas end up being centrist. And BTW: Out of curiosity... What would you consider to be an UNFILTERED news source???? I am very curious to know! And also BTW: I had forgotten about the racism charges and dismissed them years ago. My statement about your news being filtered is solely from your statements about your knowledge of the ?Tea Party. It was general in nature and I'll accpet a rebuff if you say it's warranted. I saw my first congressman bribed in 1987. It was $35,000 back then. I've seen a lot since and I know it's not on the news so can't direct you to any perfect news source. But, I can see, not with you, when people are using passion instead of knowledge in arguments and that gets my dander up. In those cases I mistreat them exactly as they treat me, as I'm treating you now. In your case with respect. But, most liberals don't getting because they don't offer it. I love to watch how liberal's act when I treat them exactly how they treat me. Theyre shocked usually.

MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues (5/3/2015 8:17:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 Welllll ok... But... Being falsely accused of racism doesn't make them successful policy wonks. They have been around for many years now. I haven't heard a single constructive idea from them yet. Why would you have if all you're hearing is the racism charges. Your news is filtered. You can find it if you wish. I don't mean that as an insult. Usually, one of the first realizations made by a person who begins to see the conservative side is just how filtered the propaganda he's getting is. Can you provide a link to even one specific constructive Tea Party idea? I looked at http://www.teaparty-ideas.com/ and found a bunch of platitudes, and ill-informed nonsense. I know! Maybe my browser is filtered too! It is filtering out those well considered, well-informed, thoughtful Tea Party ideas! If I get a link from you, I promise to use it on a different computer.

HunterCA -> RE: Income Inequality is costing the US on Social Issues (5/3/2015 9:31:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 Welllll ok... But... Being falsely accused of racism doesn't make them successful policy wonks. They have been around for many years now. I haven't heard a single constructive idea from them yet. Why would you have if all you're hearing is the racism charges. Your news is filtered. You can find it if you wish. I don't mean that as an insult. Usually, one of the first realizations made by a person who begins to see the conservative side is just how filtered the propaganda he's getting is. Can you provide a link to even one specific constructive Tea Party idea? I looked at http://www.teaparty-ideas.com/ and found a bunch of platitudes, and ill-informed nonsense. I know! Maybe my browser is filtered too! It is filtering out those well considered, well-informed, thoughtful Tea Party ideas! If I get a link from you, I promise to use it on a different computer. I don't know. What are you going to accept? Smaller government, more in control,of people rather than corporations, more aligned with the constitution is fine with me. But, liberals hate that, or they wouldn't be voting for Hilary. What would you accept as reasonable?

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