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bounty44 -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 1:13:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 lol, that's rich from the guy who supports the party who promoted intolerance and hate... the only place I ever see "hate" coming from is the left towards the right, and the left towards Christians. unless of course you define "hate" like many liberals do---meaning, "when people disagree with us." I imagine its helpful to your cause when you can simply redefine words and use them for your own purposes. as for "intolerance", as soon as tolerating everything becomes a virtue, then i'll contend with you over it. until then, liberals promulgating "tolerance" is a self deluding sham. from a content perspective, it would be good if you could find (since its your position) any of the current presidential candidates on the republican side who have shifted 180 degrees on a major issue.

Tkman117 -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 1:18:36 PM)
Laws change all the time, or do you choose to forget that?

Aylee -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 1:19:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 Lol! My expertise? I pay attention to the way the world works, contrary to sticking your head in the dirt. I'm curious, you're claiming I'm the one butt hurt and yet you and sanity are bitching and moaning that Hillary is doing something you know will help win her votes. Projection much? Why would those who have not been granted amnesty be able to vote for her?

Aylee -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 1:20:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 Let's put it this way, if I listed my expertise do you think that you would care or change your tune? No, of course not. So in the end the point you're making is what? That I actually don't know what I'm talking about? I could point out your blatant disregard for the scientific process to refute your expertise. So in the end we reach a stalemate and the discussion goes where? You get the chance to make character and ad hominem attacks and you get to feel superior to someone, good for you. Con psychology isn't terribly difficult to predict bud, if you want to catch someone with their pants down who isn't expecting it, try the Catholic Church, they're experts at that sort of thing. What is it with those of a particular political persuasion ALWAYS mentally going to non-consensual sex?

BamaD -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 1:28:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 Laws change all the time, or do you choose to forget that? She didn't promise to get the law changed, she promised to ignore it, clearly you choose to forget that.

joether -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 1:40:35 PM)
You are so fanatical to your viewpoints you can not see the error of your ways. quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 lol, that's rich from the guy who supports the party who promoted intolerance and hate... the only place I ever see "hate" coming from is the left towards the right, and the left towards Christians. Then you will not understand the nature of hatred. Nor understand it comes from you and others until its to late. Each party has their hatreds. Its up to the people of that party to keep those hatreds in check. Least they become violent or destructive not just to the party but those around them. That you have the inability to recognize hatred in the GOP/TP or many of the organizations that support them; shows indeed how fanatical you have become. You ignore reality for a fantasy is a very dangerous fantasy to reside in. quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 unless of course you define "hate" like many liberals do---meaning, "when people disagree with us." I imagine its helpful to your cause when you can simply redefine words and use them for your own purposes. Hatred: Noun : the feeling of one who hates; intense dislike or extreme aversion or hostility. That you seem to believe you understand liberals enough to preach what they hate, given your pass understanding of reality shows much to be questioned. It was one conservative speaker that stated "Your either with us or against us". This implied at the time that if you didnt agree with the speaker you didnt agree with the United States of America. What unfolded next was a number of events and moments in which hatred, real hatred, was allowed to flourish. Even went so far as to justify torture and finding the moral justification to be selfish. Liberals, moderates and conservatives hate things. Yet in this nation we often say with good pride that "we have the right to disagree". As some countries in history have been known to disallow that concept. But when you cant not recognize it in the politics you support, the people you support, and the language you support; your just fooling yourself as a 'yes man' for the cause. quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 as for "intolerance", as soon as tolerating everything becomes a virtue, then i'll contend with you over it. until then, liberals promulgating "tolerance" is a self deluding sham. So we should tolerate intolerance? We should love being evil towards everyone and everything else? Overlook destruction and vileness because those that support it agree with some of our other political viewpoints? If there was not a man named Jesus in the Holy Bible. And if he said/did none of the stuff stated, I would have cast that book off as 'a tool for evil people to help shield their misdeeds' a long time ago. Given how you look at the world and view people I seriously doubt that man would wish to associate with you. quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 from a content perspective, it would be good if you could find (since its your position) any of the current presidential candidates on the republican side who have shifted 180 degrees on a major issue. If any of them were to shift 180 degree's towards reality or 'being human', they might have a chance in the general election. As it stands now, any of the six GOP/TP whom have cast their 'hats' into the 'ring' have no chance against Hillary. Since all the liberals would be HIGHLY motivated in voting. Not to mention a grand number of moderates. Hillary might be many things, but she is not absolutely insane or foolish.

BamaD -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 2:05:11 PM)
Joether said Hillary might be many things, but she is not absolutely insane or foolish. She is a corrupt sociopath who will do anything to anyone in order to get what she wants. She is more dangerous that you think people who disagree with you are.

Aylee -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 2:16:04 PM)
Joether rails against false dichotomies and then makes them. He is such a cute little twit. quote: So we should tolerate intolerance? We should love being evil towards everyone and everything else? Overlook destruction and vileness because those that support it agree with some of our other political viewpoints?

BamaD -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 2:27:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Joether rails against false dichotomies and then makes them. He is such a cute little twit. quote: So we should tolerate intolerance? We should love being evil towards everyone and everything else? Overlook destruction and vileness because those that support it agree with some of our other political viewpoints? LOL

Tkman117 -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 2:30:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Joether said Hillary might be many things, but she is not absolutely insane or foolish. She is a corrupt sociopath who will do anything to anyone in order to get what she wants. She is more dangerous that you think people who disagree with you are. Yeah because appealing to people's fears using unsubstantiated claims is a sure fire way to sway them to your way of thinking [8\|]

BamaD -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 2:34:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Joether said Hillary might be many things, but she is not absolutely insane or foolish. She is a corrupt sociopath who will do anything to anyone in order to get what she wants. She is more dangerous that you think people who disagree with you are. Yeah because appealing to people's fears using unsubstantiated claims is a sure fire way to sway them to your way of thinking [8\|] My fingers would fall off if I typed in all the evidence against her. Since you claim to pay attention to how the world works you should already know this. Of course anyone who says that her promising to violate the law is fine because laws can be changed must not pay much attention.

HunterCA -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 2:36:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Joether said Hillary might be many things, but she is not absolutely insane or foolish. She is a corrupt sociopath who will do anything to anyone in order to get what she wants. She is more dangerous that you think people who disagree with you are. Yeah because appealing to people's fears using unsubstantiated claims is a sure fire way to sway them to your way of thinking [8\|] Oh Tkman117. Bad little boy. Show me one thing you've substantiated in any thread today. Don't be casting stones now. Actually, show me one thing you've substantiated in the last week. We all give links here, how about you doing the same.

Sanity -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 2:43:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Joether said Hillary might be many things, but she is not absolutely insane or foolish. She is a corrupt sociopath who will do anything to anyone in order to get what she wants. She is more dangerous that you think people who disagree with you are. Yeah because appealing to people's fears using unsubstantiated claims is a sure fire way to sway them to your way of thinking [8\|] My fingers would fall off if I typed in all the evidence against her. Since you claim to pay attention to how the world works you should already know this. Of course anyone who says that her promising to violate the law is fine because laws can be changed must not pay much attention. Heres a partial list already typed out

joether -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 2:50:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether Hillary might be many things, but she is not absolutely insane or foolish. She is a corrupt sociopath who will do anything to anyone in order to get what she wants. She is more dangerous that you think people who disagree with you are. An yet I could say that of every since current and future GOP/TP to run for public office. In fact what has all those Republicans and Tea Parties done for the nation in the last five months (since controlling Congress) that is of use to all Americans? She isn't running to turn the nation into a Christian Theocracy. Or remove whole sections of the US Government because those groups actually do the needed tasks for America. Or cut the federal budget by half and drop us into a recession within six months. Or get into a land war with Russia or in the Middle East. Much of what the 'right' has stated of Hillary, they stated of Obama. Go look it up if you dont believe me here. President Obama has gotten this nation out of a major recession that almost became a depression. Made a better healthcare system. Earned back some of our credibility in the world after the previous person in the White House. And a few hundred other things. Hillary brings one quality that none of the current or possible future crop of GOP/TP contenders bring to the table: Stability.

BamaD -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 2:58:38 PM)
Joether She isn't running to turn the nation into a Christian Theocracy. Or remove whole sections of the US Government because those groups actually do the needed tasks for America. Or cut the federal budget by half and drop us into a recession within six months. Or get into a land war with Russia or in the Middle East. Neither is anyone else no matter how much you want to pretend they are. And Hillary brings one quality that none of the current or possible future crop of GOP/TP contenders bring to the table: Stability. Stability, the watchword of the autocratic mind. I suppose she will make the trains run on time.

joether -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 3:04:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether Hillary might be many things, but she is not absolutely insane or foolish. She is a corrupt sociopath who will do anything to anyone in order to get what she wants. She is more dangerous that you think people who disagree with you are. Yeah because appealing to people's fears using unsubstantiated claims is a sure fire way to sway them to your way of thinking My fingers would fall off if I typed in all the evidence against her. Since you claim to pay attention to how the world works you should already know this. Of course anyone who says that her promising to violate the law is fine because laws can be changed must not pay much attention. An yet I could come up with a long list of stuff George W. Bush did. Unlike President Clinton, George Bush directly violated the US Constitution. Or was the 8th amendment nullified for the whole of his administration and no one told the rest of America? Or that issue with the NSA that conservatives are slamming happy about. That was created as violations of the 4th amendment through the Patriot Act. How many people on this forum actually read that law completely? You could bring up a list of 'charges'. Yet 'getting a blow job' from a young person; could apply to every person in the federal government! It had nothing to do with the job responsibilities of the White House. Yet Republicans would have us believe that such a thing is dangerous. And they pressed the issue with their point man: Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich. Whom at the time was ALSO having an affair. If the Republican Congress was so 'gung ho' on making sure our US Presidents are honest and trustworthy in their actions and words; why is it they didnt impeach the US President that followed Clinton for lying to them and America? Particularly when 3,200+ US Soldiers are killed, 32,500+ wounded US Soldiers, and spending a few trillion of borrowed money on a war we should never have gotten into to? If your going to wage an attack like this, make sure the other side can't do the same or more so. You dont have a single justifiable argument that I cant reasonably counter. In the end, is it us that decides who is the next US President? Or the Electoral College?

HunterCA -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 3:08:54 PM)
I'm trying to grasp the mind of someone who garners comfort from the stability Hillary brings to the table.

BamaD -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 3:10:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether Hillary might be many things, but she is not absolutely insane or foolish. She is a corrupt sociopath who will do anything to anyone in order to get what she wants. She is more dangerous that you think people who disagree with you are. Yeah because appealing to people's fears using unsubstantiated claims is a sure fire way to sway them to your way of thinking My fingers would fall off if I typed in all the evidence against her. Since you claim to pay attention to how the world works you should already know this. Of course anyone who says that her promising to violate the law is fine because laws can be changed must not pay much attention. An yet I could come up with a long list of stuff George W. Bush did. Unlike President Clinton, George Bush directly violated the US Constitution. Or was the 8th amendment nullified for the whole of his administration and no one told the rest of America? Or that issue with the NSA that conservatives are slamming happy about. That was created as violations of the 4th amendment through the Patriot Act. How many people on this forum actually read that law completely? You could bring up a list of 'charges'. Yet 'getting a blow job' from a young person; could apply to every person in the federal government! It had nothing to do with the job responsibilities of the White House. Yet Republicans would have us believe that such a thing is dangerous. And they pressed the issue with their point man: Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich. Whom at the time was ALSO having an affair. If the Republican Congress was so 'gung ho' on making sure our US Presidents are honest and trustworthy in their actions and words; why is it they didnt impeach the US President that followed Clinton for lying to them and America? Particularly when 3,200+ US Soldiers are killed, 32,500+ wounded US Soldiers, and spending a few trillion of borrowed money on a war we should never have gotten into to? If your going to wage an attack like this, make sure the other side can't do the same or more so. You dont have a single justifiable argument that I cant reasonably counter. In the end, is it us that decides who is the next US President? Or the Electoral College? You resort to the OJ defense, it is ok for me to hunt down my ex wife and kill her because OJ got away with it. You forget that Congress had the same info on Iraq that Bush had. You forget that most Dems, including Hillary, would have to be in the docket beside Bush. And if you knew half what you think you do you would know that we select the Electoral College so we do. Though this is not relevant.

MrRodgers -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 3:15:45 PM)
They're just worried she night now switch parties and run as a repub...becoming ever so much more qualified everyday. Can't have that, they have their own brand of hypocrisy and pandering.

HunterCA -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 3:20:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers They're just worried she night now switch parties and run as a repub...becoming ever so much more qualified everyday. Can't have that, they have their own brand of hypocrisy and pandering. Pretty off the wall statement. But I'll say now what I've always said. Democrats always get themselves in trouble when they act and vote liberal. Republicans also get themselves in trouble when they act and vote liberal.

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