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BamaD -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 3:30:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether Hillary might be many things, but she is not absolutely insane or foolish. She is a corrupt sociopath who will do anything to anyone in order to get what she wants. She is more dangerous that you think people who disagree with you are. Yeah because appealing to people's fears using unsubstantiated claims is a sure fire way to sway them to your way of thinking My fingers would fall off if I typed in all the evidence against her. Since you claim to pay attention to how the world works you should already know this. Of course anyone who says that her promising to violate the law is fine because laws can be changed must not pay much attention. An yet I could come up with a long list of stuff George W. Bush did. Unlike President Clinton, George Bush directly violated the US Constitution. Or was the 8th amendment nullified for the whole of his administration and no one told the rest of America? Or that issue with the NSA that conservatives are slamming happy about. That was created as violations of the 4th amendment through the Patriot Act. How many people on this forum actually read that law completely? You could bring up a list of 'charges'. Yet 'getting a blow job' from a young person; could apply to every person in the federal government! It had nothing to do with the job responsibilities of the White House. Yet Republicans would have us believe that such a thing is dangerous. And they pressed the issue with their point man: Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich. Whom at the time was ALSO having an affair. If the Republican Congress was so 'gung ho' on making sure our US Presidents are honest and trustworthy in their actions and words; why is it they didnt impeach the US President that followed Clinton for lying to them and America? Particularly when 3,200+ US Soldiers are killed, 32,500+ wounded US Soldiers, and spending a few trillion of borrowed money on a war we should never have gotten into to? If your going to wage an attack like this, make sure the other side can't do the same or more so. You dont have a single justifiable argument that I cant reasonably counter. In the end, is it us that decides who is the next US President? Or the Electoral College? You forget that even if we pretend that you got everything right, no law was violated, and this is about Hillary promising to ignore the law.

joether -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 3:35:24 PM)
Dude, seriously....learn how to quote in HTML! I can show you how. It really is pretty easy. You can type fourteen characters as evident to the post I', replying to; so you can do this! Just use the brackets [ ] and place quote and /quote (between the brackets) to start and finish a quote. So starting a quote would look like this [ quote ] (delete the spaces between the brackets and 'quote'). A forward slash in HTML means to 'end a process'. So adding one before the 'quote' that is between the brackets is to end the quoting process (i.e. [ /quote ]). If your still having trouble, send a PM off to me and I'll find an easy guide for you! quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether She isn't running to turn the nation into a Christian Theocracy. Or remove whole sections of the US Government because those groups actually do the needed tasks for America. Or cut the federal budget by half and drop us into a recession within six months. Or get into a land war with Russia or in the Middle East. Neither is anyone else no matter how much you want to pretend they are. Really? None of them what to push Christianity into the debates on marriage, healthcare, or government in general? That is like 3/4th of their material right there. I think your an intelligent guy, BamaD. You and I disagree on shit, but even you know the stuff these people push is with an underlying pressure to have more a 'christian' fundementalist/baptist view on things. An you also realize that there are people that are not christian whom also have just as much right to their beliefs on how government should act. Question is, can you state it publically? Several of the current and quite possiblity future running GOP/TP candidates have stated in the past they would like to remove the EPA, IRS, and several other federal organizations because it interferes with their backers demands on government (*COUGHRICH PEOPLECOUGH). Yet, I've seen in China and Russia what happens when there was no task force establish to keep the environment from turning into a toxic hell for the residence that live there. Seriously, go do a search (google 'Red Mud'). Do you want that crap in your backyard or neighborhood? The clean up of that stuff is very taxing of resources that could have been used elsewhere. That's what the EPA keeps from happening (among many other things). Likewise cutting the federal budget by half would result in a recession for this nation. I dont say that to push the fear buttons. We would be dropping 8-11 million people into the unemployment line. That would be the conservative figure; want to know the liberal one? Besides that each of the 25 some odd industries would take financial hits as they do much business with the federal government. We are not just talking the large corporations by many small businesses. The mechanic shop that repairs government vehicles by contract; would get effected by this. This is what libertarians want (to cut the budget) but do not realize the effects (what I just spoke on here). That's dangerous and reckless thinking. Finally, the last two Republican Presidents got us into a war in the Middle East. Each of the contenders for the GOP nomination (with the notable exception of one Rand Paul) have stated terms that leave nothing to the imagination on how this nation will deal with Iraq, Iran, and anyone else. These are people all to happy with throwing our military into a war zone for the sake of 'fun'. And give nothing of a thought to those soldier's lives or health when they come back. Do you know how many soldiers I know that have problems (or killed themselves) because of the last two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? quote:* ORIGINAL: BamaD Hillary brings one quality that none of the current or possible future crop of GOP/TP contenders bring to the table: Stability. Stability, the watchword of the autocratic mind. I suppose she will make the trains run on time. An yet most financial institutions would rather a stable government than a crazy one. A population seems to grow with stable governments than those suffering even mild effects of anarchy. The laws of this nation are generally more Constitutional when the government is stable (i.e. anti-gay marriage laws being overturned in red states). Getting trains to run on time is a good thing. So is having good infrastructure. Good security on our borders and ports. Improving our education system so the next line of Americans not only enjoy but understand liberty. Keeping up good relationships at the local, state, federal and even international levels.

BamaD -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 3:43:43 PM)
joether An yet most financial institutions would rather a stable government than a crazy one. A population seems to grow with stable governments than those suffering even mild effects of anarchy. The laws of this nation are generally more Constitutional when the government is stable (i.e. anti-gay marriage laws being overturned in red states). Getting trains to run on time is a good thing. So is having good infrastructure. Good security on our borders and ports. Improving our education system so the next line of Americans not only enjoy but understand liberty. Keeping up good relationships at the local, state, federal and even international levels. No one is campaigning for crazy government. You do know that making the trains run on time was the catch phrase of Italian Fascists don't you?

joether -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 3:43:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD You forget that even if we pretend that you got everything right, no law was violated, and this is about Hillary promising to ignore the law. We don't have to pretend; its all there in the history books. Your choosing to ignore history will result in it being repeated again. That you can not be mature enough and look at everything objectively shows you are much more suitable to corruption than most others. That you would overlook great evil, if it supported your political viewpoints is very dangerous. An every single person for the GOP/TP supports the 2nd amendment; just as long as the first half is ignored and the second reinterpreted to the most conservative political fashion. Unfortunately every law, whether we like or dislike, has to be followed as it is written. That means the 2nd's first and second halve, have to be followed as written. Otherwise it opens the door to the 4th, 5th, and 8th amendments easily being violated by future governments. The only people pretending nothing is wrong are the ones that are guilty of wrong doing and hoping on one calls them out!

HunterCA -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 3:46:46 PM)
Joether just had a new drought of kool aide. He's forgetting, as the fog of the wonderful drink enfolds him, that recent SCOTUS decisions on the Second Amendment don't agree with his overlord's explanations of it to him.

BamaD -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 3:49:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD You forget that even if we pretend that you got everything right, no law was violated, and this is about Hillary promising to ignore the law. We don't have to pretend; its all there in the history books. Your choosing to ignore history will result in it being repeated again. That you can not be mature enough and look at everything objectively shows you are much more suitable to corruption than most others. That you would overlook great evil, if it supported your political viewpoints is very dangerous. An every single person for the GOP/TP supports the 2nd amendment; just as long as the first half is ignored and the second reinterpreted to the most conservative political fashion. Unfortunately every law, whether we like or dislike, has to be followed as it is written. That means the 2nd's first and second halve, have to be followed as written. Otherwise it opens the door to the 4th, 5th, and 8th amendments easily being violated by future governments. The only people pretending nothing is wrong are the ones that are guilty of wrong doing and hoping on one calls them out! So now you fall back to your 2nd fantasy even though you have been proven wrong repeatedly.

HunterCA -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 3:56:38 PM)
Tkman, I'm having to chase you around. You're avoiding my question. Tkman, about twenty years ago I had an intern work for me right out of college. She had an actual degree in the environment. Yet, she didn't take one physics class, she didn't take one chemistry class, she had no math classes, she spent four years being proselytized to about the environment. In your "environmental sciences" degree that you're part way through, may I ask how many semesters of organic chemistry you've had?

joether -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 3:57:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether An yet most financial institutions would rather a stable government than a crazy one. A population seems to grow with stable governments than those suffering even mild effects of anarchy. The laws of this nation are generally more Constitutional when the government is stable (i.e. anti-gay marriage laws being overturned in red states). Getting trains to run on time is a good thing. So is having good infrastructure. Good security on our borders and ports. Improving our education system so the next line of Americans not only enjoy but understand liberty. Keeping up good relationships at the local, state, federal and even international levels. No one is campaigning for crazy government. Seriously....look over the current six individuals for the GOP ticket. Which of them is normal? Without serious issues for the nation? An whom would have a decent chance at being a US President? None of them. They are just fodder for the media and public for now. Later on, we'll see some 'serious' condtenders for the GOP ticket. They'll still have to run against Hillary in the general election. So they have to play a game of 'being the most purist of white conservative' and then 'middle of the road of all conservatives, moderates, and liberals in the nation'. Doesnt work to well.... quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD You do know that making the trains run on time was the catch phrase of Italian Fascists don't you? You do know that most conservatives in the USA agree with the concepts found under Sharia Law, don't you? You do know that forgiveness is a concept from the Holy Bible, don't you? The point here is that concepts that are good, can be taken from anywhere. But the concept, removed from the whole may not have any effects from where ever it came from. I disagree with people on the Holy Bible, but I agree with them on the power of forgiveness. Just like how conservatives view gay people as Shara Law does; they just do not agree with the religion the concept comes from.

BamaD -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 4:02:00 PM)
Come on Joether The point here is that concepts that are good, can be taken from anywhere. But the concept, removed from the whole may not have any effects from where ever it came from. I disagree with people on the Holy Bible, but I agree with them on the power of forgiveness. Just like how conservatives view gay people as Shara Law does; they just do not agree with the religion the concept comes from. Where are Christians beheading gays? Take a nap come back when you are better. And then tell us why it is OK for Hillary to ignore the law. But but but someone sometime in history did something kind of like this. And the Magna Carta only applied to nobility do not count as answers.

joether -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 4:03:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD You forget that even if we pretend that you got everything right, no law was violated, and this is about Hillary promising to ignore the law. We don't have to pretend; its all there in the history books. Your choosing to ignore history will result in it being repeated again. That you can not be mature enough and look at everything objectively shows you are much more suitable to corruption than most others. That you would overlook great evil, if it supported your political viewpoints is very dangerous. An every single person for the GOP/TP supports the 2nd amendment; just as long as the first half is ignored and the second reinterpreted to the most conservative political fashion. Unfortunately every law, whether we like or dislike, has to be followed as it is written. That means the 2nd's first and second halve, have to be followed as written. Otherwise it opens the door to the 4th, 5th, and 8th amendments easily being violated by future governments. The only people pretending nothing is wrong are the ones that are guilty of wrong doing and hoping on one calls them out! So now you fall back to your 2nd fantasy even though you have been proven wrong repeatedly. Oh I'm sorry, one can not have a viewpoint? One can not be free to express their viewpoints? By which others might say "hey, I agree with that idea!"? An those people get together and find others that agree, or convince to the idea. All these people then push for one or more laws to express their views. Your against this view and process? You cant ignore the first half of the 2nd amendment because its politically inconvenient to you. Otherwise the government can ignore the parts of the 8th amendment it finds 'politically inconvenient'. Do you want the government torturing you by way of water-boarding over breaking a law without consequence? In order for your argument to be true, the answer would be 'yes'. If it is 'no', then you and everyone else would have to follow the whole law as written.

HunterCA -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 4:05:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD You forget that even if we pretend that you got everything right, no law was violated, and this is about Hillary promising to ignore the law. We don't have to pretend; its all there in the history books. Your choosing to ignore history will result in it being repeated again. That you can not be mature enough and look at everything objectively shows you are much more suitable to corruption than most others. That you would overlook great evil, if it supported your political viewpoints is very dangerous. An every single person for the GOP/TP supports the 2nd amendment; just as long as the first half is ignored and the second reinterpreted to the most conservative political fashion. Unfortunately every law, whether we like or dislike, has to be followed as it is written. That means the 2nd's first and second halve, have to be followed as written. Otherwise it opens the door to the 4th, 5th, and 8th amendments easily being violated by future governments. The only people pretending nothing is wrong are the ones that are guilty of wrong doing and hoping on one calls them out! Seriously joe, we don't have to pretend. It's all right here. http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf As with everything else you just don't know what you're talking about.

Aylee -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 4:16:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether An yet I could say that of every since current and future GOP/TP to run for public office. In fact what has all those Republicans and Tea Parties done for the nation in the last five months (since controlling Congress) that is of use to all Americans? Passed a budget.

HunterCA -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 4:18:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: joether An yet I could say that of every since current and future GOP/TP to run for public office. In fact what has all those Republicans and Tea Parties done for the nation in the last five months (since controlling Congress) that is of use to all Americans? Passed a budget. Pretty much building a bi-Partisan agenda.

joether -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 4:29:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Where are Christians beheading gays? Take a nap come back when you are better. And then tell us why it is OK for Hillary to ignore the law. Goggle the name 'Mathew Shepard'..... See if your bullshit holds up to reality after that. Then Google 'KKK black churches'. After that, try 'Salem Witch Trials' for extra reading! How about how those 'Southern Christians' treated their Northern Christians during the American Civil War; Google 'Andersonville Prison and Civil War'. That religion has much in the way of problems towards people it has disagreed. If it were not for law enforcement at all levels, the shit we currently see ISIS doing (which doesn't have a law enforcement keeping it in check) would be the stuff Christians do towards others here in the States. This will come as a surprise to you. In our government and laws a person is considered....INNOCENT....of a crime until they are found guilty in a court of law by their peers. You do not like Hillary Clinton; I get that. But that when she is accused of a crime or some action, you assume she has to be guilty of it. Even if no actual evidence has been brought forth. Benghazi was one large 'lets attack Hillary because she is in the way of our chances in getting the White House in 2016'. An what did we see, BamaD? Plenty of Republicans clawing over each other on dozens of committtes and groups trying to find.....something.....ANYTHING..... ....That would link the Secretary of State to something bad. Later on after all the investigations, resources used here and there, its declared nothing went wrong as far as Hillary was concern. To which I ask a fair set of questions for you to answer to me: 1 ) Why did Republicans not do this on the 17 'Benghazi' like attacks that took place under George W. Bush? 2 ) Why did the Republicans not issue an apology for insulting one of this nation's public employees? 3 ) Why the assumption of guilt when not actual evidence was ever brought forth? I want these questions answered by you. Not by someone else. Not by a cut/past job. Your words. Your evidence! NOTE: I never stated she was entirely innocent. I wanted to see the evidence and judge for myself on the merit of 'innocent/guilt'. But I do know what political motivation looks like when stuff like this happens. quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD But but but someone sometime in history did something kind of like this. And the Magna Carta only applied to nobility do not count as answers. By that 'argument' you and all other GOP/TP should be PISSED OFF ANGRY, that the GOP did not impeach and remove George W. Bush from power. Didn't see that happen according to the history books so far....

HunterCA -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 4:30:58 PM)
Here you go joether, since I know how much you're into links to what you say. Ol Joe Liberman himself: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/05/03/congress_slowly_building_bipartisan_brawn_126464.html Obama came to the Presidency promising he'd talk to anyone. I guess that meant anyone but a Republican. So, bipartisan efforts got a little bogged down under Obama and Reed. But, they're coming back now that Reed no longer controls the Senate.

Sanity -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 4:34:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether Goggle the name 'Mathew Shepard'..... See if your bullshit holds up to reality after that. Then Google 'KKK black churches'. After that, try 'Salem Witch Trials' for extra reading! How about how those 'Southern Christians' treated their Northern Christians during the American Civil War; Google 'Andersonville Prison and Civil War'. That religion has much in the way of problems towards people it has disagreed. If it were not for law enforcement at all levels, the shit we currently see ISIS doing (which doesn't have a law enforcement keeping it in check) would be the stuff Christians do towards others here in the States. This will come as a surprise to you. In our government and laws a person is considered....INNOCENT....of a crime until they are found guilty in a court of law by their peers. You do not like Hillary Clinton; I get that. But that when she is accused of a crime or some action, you assume she has to be guilty of it. Even if no actual evidence has been brought forth. Benghazi was one large 'lets attack Hillary because she is in the way of our chances in getting the White House in 2016'. An what did we see, BamaD? Plenty of Republicans clawing over each other on dozens of committtes and groups trying to find.....something.....ANYTHING..... ....That would link the Secretary of State to something bad. Later on after all the investigations, resources used here and there, its declared nothing went wrong as far as Hillary was concern. To which I ask a fair set of questions for you to answer to me: 1 ) Why did Republicans not do this on the 17 'Benghazi' like attacks that took place under George W. Bush? 2 ) Why did the Republicans not issue an apology for insulting one of this nation's public employees? 3 ) Why the assumption of guilt when not actual evidence was ever brought forth? I want these questions answered by you. Not by someone else. Not by a cut/past job. Your words. Your evidence! NOTE: I never stated she was entirely innocent. I wanted to see the evidence and judge for myself on the merit of 'innocent/guilt'. But I do know what political motivation looks like when stuff like this happens. By that 'argument' you and all other GOP/TP should be PISSED OFF ANGRY, that the GOP did not impeach and remove George W. Bush from power. Didn't see that happen according to the history books so far.... The Mathew Shepard case was nothing more than a vicious robbery Had nothing to do with Christians, or Shepards' sexual orientation KKK was started by Democrats

HunterCA -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 4:38:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Where are Christians beheading gays? Take a nap come back when you are better. And then tell us why it is OK for Hillary to ignore the law. Goggle the name 'Mathew Shepard'..... See if your bullshit holds up to reality after that. Then Google 'KKK black churches'. After that, try 'Salem Witch Trials' for extra reading! How about how those 'Southern Christians' treated their Northern Christians during the American Civil War; Google 'Andersonville Prison and Civil War'. quote: quote: You forgot the Inquisition....opps, Obama's killed more people drones than the Inquisition did in 400 years. Can't talk about that. quote: That religion has much in the way of problems towards people it has disagreed. If it were not for law enforcement at all levels, the shit we currently see ISIS doing (which doesn't have a law enforcement keeping it in check) would be the stuff Christians do towards others here in the States. This will come as a surprise to you. In our government and laws a person is considered....INNOCENT....of a crime until they are found guilty in a court of law by their peers. quote: Unless, of course, you're a police officer in Baltamore and the left needs to cover over 60 years of failure.

HunterCA -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 4:40:25 PM)
Well my quotes are screwed up above. Sorry.

HunterCA -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 4:42:53 PM)
Joether, once again ya got nothing but bile.

MrRodgers -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/7/2015 5:22:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers They're just worried she night now switch parties and run as a repub...becoming ever so much more qualified everyday. Can't have that, they have their own brand of hypocrisy and pandering. Pretty off the wall statement. But I'll say now what I've always said. Democrats always get themselves in trouble when they act and vote liberal. Republicans also get themselves in trouble when they act and vote liberal. I think you are on to something. I've always said that liberalism was born and now has elected a black dem lib twice, because of the failures of conservatives. Notice I said 'conservatives' not conservatism. You see I come from a Michigan conservative repub family going way back (ok, not that far back) but one who voted for Geo. Romney for gov. and for whom whose mother actually worked. Soon as the conservative movement added to their strengths of a cold war constituency, the corporatism constituency, they started to lose many voters. Liberals were fed great ammunition and elected LBJ the great whore until he tired of playing ball on Vietnam. Then with Nixon even though the most liberal repub to be elec. pres, his scummery did the trick. So we get Carter, a good man with whipsawed policies and then Reagan...an instant neocon upon being shot. Now we wade through and battle out of the mutually greasy weeds of BI-partisan hypocrisy, corruption, hatred and venality. So, I just come here to give everybody shit.

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