HunterCA
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We absolutely have the right to control and regulate immigration. And it seems like we're doing a piss poor job of it. You'll get no argument from me about tightening our borders to control immigration better. That's a necessity to our national security, aside from anything you've mentioned. (Plus to help prevent international human trafficking, drug trafficking... I'm sure you know the issues.)
But how many of the illegal immigrants you've worked with have already had children born in the US? Do you destroy the families by deporting a parent? And in some cases, both parents. That seems unconscionable.
I'm by no means socialist. But I do believe America can afford to be liberal in many policies at times, without risking our culture, economy, or national security.
Perhaps broad amnesty is too much, but some is necessary. The terms of amnesty and the path to citizenship needs to be discussed and negotiated by Congress, and real solutions need to be put in place. But that's not happening.
Instead, it's yet another election issue.
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When I worked with illigals none of them had kids. Usually a family would pick a son or father and send them to find work to send money home. They'd work for a while and go home. Then someone else would come. I'm not really so sure the whole having kids here thing isn't more propaganda than a major issue. It's just easier to say, "But what about the children!" Then to deal with the problem. Of course it's been a few years since I did a lot of work with illigals so the demographics may have changed.
Illigals having kids here is tricky. Born here, citizen here, rights here. But here is an estimate of the cost of illigals.
http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-u-s-taxpayers.
We have that cost and 92,000,000 American workers who need jobs. Why is it easier to tell the kids of an American worker that there are no jobs for the parent because Illigals have taken them and are using the wages to send to a foreign country to support families there? From what I see it's because of the whole, "but what about the children" arguement. Which I have trouble with personally.
I may be an old fart, but I remember when I needed to eat and was unskilled. I took a job digging ditches in Phoenix in the summer time. It often was 120 degrees during those ten hour days. Yet, I'd bet that with the influx of illigals now, the people taking those jobs today aren't making any higher wages than I earned 35 years ago. So we take jobs from Americans, tell their kids tough, we're going to let illigals have those jobs to send money to other countries and we let the illigals do work at wages I made 35 years ago. It's great, I guess, for agribusiness, employers of unskilled labor, and places with messy dirty jobs like slaughter houses. But, I basically makes the illigals virtual slaves at wages so low they're happy to take and take from Americans who would do,the work at market prices of the market wasn't artifically kept low.
Who is it good for? Families in Mexico sure. But, you're telling me we screw 92,000,000 out of work Americans, at the costs to Americans linked above, make virtual slaves out of those poor unskilled people, just so we don't have to send illigals home and let them decide how to manage their families and kids they had here? Just so we don't have to have that conversation and agribusiness can prosper?
I'll tell you what, if I'd have been born poor in Mexico I hope I'd have had the balls to come here and make a better life. I'll give the all the award for big brass balls. But you know what else I hope, I hope I would have realized the choice was mine, the ramifications of my decision were mine, anything I made while I was invading a foreign country illegally was mine, but that it was also my responsibility to manage my stuff, including my kids if I got caught and sent home.
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