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RE: Educated Slaves, a new kind of slaves? - 7/15/2006 11:47:35 PM   
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I don't think that formal education produces a LESSER being; I just don't think that it will always elevate a lesser person.  Surely, Sinergy, you've heard the term "garbage in, garbage out"?  It is true of the raw material of academe, as much as in programming.



Thank you,

I stand corrected.  The problem I have is it is extremely difficult for me to not try to see the best in people.

I have tried for years to try to figure out some positive quality in Monkeyboy, and have been unable to.

I agree.  Garbage in, appoint two uneducated and inexperienced right wing nutbags to the Supreme Court, double the national debt, trash our economy, Garbage out.

Just me, could be wrong.

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RE: Educated Slaves, a new kind of slaves? - 7/16/2006 12:03:28 AM   
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Dear Master and if there also Mistresses:
Does the BDSM community recognize that a slave can be educated with a BA or Master degree and come from  a good family with manners, what I mean is that what is the perception of you as Masters about a slave? Do you see a slave as dumb or looser or as an individual that can have an education, success and still be a servant, love discipline and want to serve and forced to obey and live a life full of servitude instead of working in a big corporation. Are slaves like that out there? What is the typical type of slave you encounter here in collarme or in alt or in a chat?



Of course there are slaves like that out there. Personally, I prefer a slave with intelligence; they are far more useful and entertaining than common dullards. The appreciation for educated slaves isn't anything new; it fetched one a higher price in the ancient world when they possessed skill and intellectual competence.




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RE: Educated Slaves, a new kind of slaves? - 7/16/2006 3:31:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Personaaly, I like a slave that is intelligent. Degrees do not matter.  slaves can  be either smart or , shall we say intellectually challenged, just like Doms. One slave I knew had her PhD and was too ivory tower while another had her GED and was scary smart!



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RE: Educated Slaves, a new kind of slaves? - 7/16/2006 3:42:15 AM   
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what is the perception of you as Masters about a slave?


she is a person and she is mine. I don't like the company of idiots, any girl of mine has a brain and uses it. OK I don't expect her to be able to match me in a discussion about M-theory quantum physics or metaphysical theology, but she will have her own specialist areas and the general level of conversation will be relitivly high.

Geisha's where trained in the art of conversation for a reason. It is very pleasurable and something I expect from a girl of mine.


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RE: Educated Slaves, a new kind of slaves? - 7/16/2006 4:08:10 AM   
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go to college doesn't deminish their intelegience.

It doesn't make a wit of difference if you're Dom/me, Switch or sub. male or female.


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RE: Educated Slaves, a new kind of slaves? - 7/16/2006 4:27:30 AM   
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Just because someone doesn't have the opportunity to go to college doesn't deminish their intelegience.


Absolutely. A piece of paper steming from an ability to learn things parrot fashion can't replace functional grey matter and a goodly amount of common sense. Some of my girls have held doctorates, others dropped out of school early for various reasons.... they have ALL been reasonably to highly inteligent.


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RE: Educated Slaves, a new kind of slaves? - 7/16/2006 4:47:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		i have two masters degrees in the science fields, one in organic sciences with a minor in nursing, the other in scientific criminologies, and am currently setting for my PhD in clinical psychology.

the fact that i have a brain and a mouth and know how to use both simultaneously with relative ease, and can negotiate through vastly difficult trains of thought without so much as blinking an eye is not a deficit either.

i do not feel this fact makes me a deficit to my Master



now.....please do not ask me to walk a straight line in 6 inch pumps while blindfolded with my nose up in the air, chew gum while blowing bubbles, rub my tummy while whirling a hoolahoop, all the while patting the top of my head.......this would be viewed as cruel and unusual punishments



i am, after all is said and done with, only human.......with a kink

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RE: Educated Slaves, a new kind of slaves? - 7/16/2006 6:26:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

On the other hand, a formal education at great expense at the finest institutions in the land can actually produce a lesser being.

Take, for example, the person who lost both the popular and electoral college votes in the 2000 election and somehow wound up as the President Of The United States anyway.

Go figure.

Sinergy

p.s. A great book on this subject is "The Bush Dyslexicon," although the author's name escapes me at the moment.


While tempted to point out my perceived flaws in your argument, I abstain because your post is not worthy of intelligent discourse whatsoever.


Your post has no bearing whatsoever on the subject at hand, it seems clearly designed to troll for some kind of fight or heated exchange by throwing out an irrelevant, contradictary premise and targeting politics to ensure the shit is properly stirred. Seems you miscalculated (yet again). It's tiresome and boring to boot. 

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RE: Educated Slaves, a new kind of slaves? - 7/16/2006 5:12:08 PM   
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GENERIC SUMMARY OF MUCH OF WHAT WAS SAID ABOVE SAID:   I like a girl with brains.


OK.  Could all the submissives and switches leave the room?   Yes.  Just for a moment.   Yes.  ALL of you.   YES.  ALL of you....Holly, darling...you too *smile*.  OK?  Medames and Messeuirs, please look around.  Anyone NOT of the Dom/Top/Mistress/Master persuasion?  OK?  Good.

AWRIGHT!   SCORE!   You got that out really well.  Keep it up folks.  Soon EVERYONE will believe that intelligence is the MOST important quality We seek in a submissive!  WHOOOO HOOOO   *High Fives all around*  We are that much closer to our goal of TOTAL CONTROL.

And the truth is, of course, to quote Ms. Julie Brown  "We like 'em big and STOOPID!"

--We now return you to your regular posting.

(This reaction after reading more than 20 some posts, all of which said "Oh I like a smart girl more than a dumb one."

--E.

EDITED TO ADD:  Its a JOKE.  (also edited to note that this post is not directed to anyone in specific; I used Fast Reply, but it tags it to the first poster on the page, apparently.)

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RE: Educated Slaves, a new kind of slaves? - 7/16/2006 5:26:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Emperor1956
I don't think that formal education produces a LESSER being; I just don't think that it will always elevate a lesser person.  Surely, Sinergy, you've heard the term "garbage in, garbage out"?  It is true of the raw material of academe, as much as in programming.



Thank you,

I stand corrected.  The problem I have is it is extremely difficult for me to not try to see the best in people.

I have tried for years to try to figure out some positive quality in Monkeyboy, and have been unable to.

I agree.  Garbage in, appoint two uneducated and inexperienced right wing nutbags to the Supreme Court, double the national debt, trash our economy, Garbage out.

Just me, could be wrong.

Sinergy


This is what happens when you let people into university based upon their wealth and position rather than their merit. Having this sort of Commander in Chief is also related to having a National Guard that allowed men that scored just one point over too stupid to fly to skip the draft because their father was a powerful congressmen....

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RE: Educated Slaves, a new kind of slaves? - 7/16/2006 6:58:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I could prove that being educated has no bearing on how intelligent someone can be, or not (if anyone was interested in proof, if that is a question). But I do think people who put effort into being educated deserve some credit for that; it takes some work to do that (which may or may not have a bearing on what kind of submssive they would be, depending again, on the person, I'd guess).

How basically intelligent soneonee is really is (I think, anyway) something someonone else has little control over, it isn't anything a Dom could change about someone else. If they prefer educated or intelligent submissives, or less intelligent submissives, it's their prerogative.

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RE: Educated Slaves, a new kind of slaves? - 7/16/2006 7:12:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juancw1

Dear Master and if there also Mistresses:
Does the BDSM community recognize that a slave can be educated with a BA or Master degree...
Are slaves like that out there?
What is the typical type of slave you encounter here in collarme or in alt or in a chat?


Please refer to this recent thread entitled "College members" Many of the respondants are s-types, so you can see for yourself what some people are studying, all while still calling themselves "submissive" or "slave".

~Holly


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RE: Educated Slaves, a new kind of slaves? - 7/16/2006 8:09:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Pulpsmack

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

On the other hand, a formal education at great expense at the finest institutions in the land can actually produce a lesser being.

Take, for example, the person who lost both the popular and electoral college votes in the 2000 election and somehow wound up as the President Of The United States anyway.

Go figure.

Sinergy

p.s. A great book on this subject is "The Bush Dyslexicon," although the author's name escapes me at the moment.


While tempted to point out my perceived flaws in your argument, I abstain because your post is not worthy of intelligent discourse whatsoever.


Your post has no bearing whatsoever on the subject at hand, it seems clearly designed to troll for some kind of fight or heated exchange by throwing out an irrelevant, contradictary premise and targeting politics to ensure the shit is properly stirred. Seems you miscalculated (yet again). It's tiresome and boring to boot. 


Good work abstaining from responding to my thread.  It seems odd to me that it would take two paragraphs for you to do so.   I was always under the impression that abstaining involved not doing something.

But that is just me, and I could be wrong.

Sinergy

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RE: Educated Slaves, a new kind of slaves? - 7/16/2006 8:14:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know I am just a slave answering but I am formerly educated and only associate with Dom/mmes that are as well. I have met all kinds on these BDSM sites. Most I find on these sites aren't real anyway. Thank God I have an educated Master to have an intelligent conversation with. I have also made many friends on CM that are real but that is a rarity on the internet.

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RE: Educated Slaves, a new kind of slaves? - 7/16/2006 8:28:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juancw1

Dear Master and if there also Mistresses:
Does the BDSM community recognize that a slave can be educated with a BA or Master degree and come from  a good family with manners, what I mean is that what is the perception of you as Masters about a slave? Do you see a slave as dumb or looser or as an individual that can have an education, success and still be a servant, love discipline and want to serve and forced to obey and live a life full of servitude instead of working in a big corporation. Are slaves like that out there? What is the typical type of slave you encounter here in collarme or in alt or in a chat?
thank you.
jc


Hello juancw1,

For myself, I find a submissive with an education, intelligence, perhaps a point of view different than mine, to be worth her weight in gold.

I view somebody who is submissive as somebody that has an attraction to a certain aspect of the D/s dynamic and not the other, and that it is not a function of intelligence, etc.

I want somebody I can argue about Marx with.  I want somebody who can understand what I am saying when I discuss corellated vs. uncorrelated carbon dating.  I want somebody who can clarify for me why life is possible on planets orbiting neutron stars.  I may not necessarily agree with them, but having a cogent discussion about something is, for me, one of the greatest turn-ons I can think of.

Just me, etc.

Sinergy

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RE: Educated Slaves, a new kind of slaves? - 7/16/2006 8:34:58 PM   
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Good work abstaining from responding to my thread.  It seems odd to me that it would take two paragraphs for you to do so.   I was always under the impression that abstaining involved not doing something.

But that is just me, and I could be wrong.

Sinergy


I wonder if you wear those glasses when you read the posts and they inhibit you from seeing the important words, or if you just don't have the attention span, ability, or desire to fully comprehend the posts to which you reply. I said I will abstain from addressing your argument. I did not say I will abstain from addressing your post at all, including the bullshit trolling tactics used therein.  

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RE: Educated Slaves, a new kind of slaves? - 7/16/2006 8:46:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		I like 'em smart and capable. An advanced degree is not required, but a degree of intelligence is necessary. A slave with a strong career is, if anything, an enhancement to the household. I have met several such people on this site.

Bob

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RE: Educated Slaves, a new kind of slaves? - 7/17/2006 5:06:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		A girl that is educated and intelligent has something to offer to a Master. Does one who blindly follows really turn any power over to her master or is she just blindly going through life accepting whar comes along. My girl is very well educated and is able to discuss more than the weather or soap operas. Her submission is complete and fulfills me but she would not if she were just there because it was all she knew to be was a master's toy.

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RE: Educated Slaves, a new kind of slaves? - 7/17/2006 10:46:49 AM   
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Educated slaves are a matter of history, they date back to the begining of written language.
Slaves have held jobs from the basest manual chattle slave to the temple scribes and estate managers.

So Educated slaves are nothing new.

In Leather

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RE: Educated Slaves, a new kind of slaves? - 7/17/2006 11:16:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is also a flip side to this topic, there are also cases where the submissive is of higher IQ then the person they serve.  i know it's almost heresay, for most subs will say they need intelligence to look up to, and that is a clear preference, But.   Life doesn't always work that way.

i think many Dominants would admit to being served by someone with a higher IQ.  There is a difference of close to 30 points between my Hubby/ Dom and myself.  He laughs about it.  It no more affects His ability to make sound decisions for our family then the fact that His eyes are hazel while mine are green.

What makes a Dominant is ability to lead, strength of character, sound decision- making ability,  compassion, empathy, endurance, all qualities i lack to some extent!

There's that other thing too... He can lead simply because i choose to follow.   Maybe i can do that because i'm smart enough to know a good man when i see one? 

[noting the IQ issue is different from the educated or cultured issue at the heart of the OP's query]

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