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ORIGINAL: LipstickLeuger

This is a Visual Performance Arts class, so someone who took this class could use it to get a degree that allows them to perform on stage in musicals and plays on Broadway. It is NOT unusual for an actor or actress to perform nude on stage. Hair, Equus, The Full Monty, and several other shows that I can't think of off hand have nudity in them. Many visual performing arts in and of themselves deal with being nude, and how one uses their body to get across their performance, or message of that particular play, musical or dance.

I am sure Mother is upset about her daughter having to be nude as part of her training for visual arts, but Mother needs to remember that her child is an ADULT and in College, so it is no longer Moms decision but her daughters. Daughter read the Professors syllabus, she decided to take the class and obviously has chosen to follow a career path where nudity is part of it.

It is a non issue.

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ORIGINAL: LipstickLeuger

This is a Visual Performance Arts class, so someone who took this class could use it to get a degree that allows them to perform on stage in musicals and plays on Broadway. It is NOT unusual for an actor or actress to perform nude on stage. Hair, Equus, The Full Monty, and several other shows that I can't think of off hand have nudity in them. Many visual performing arts in and of themselves deal with being nude, and how one uses their body to get across their performance, or message of that particular play, musical or dance.

I am sure Mother is upset about her daughter having to be nude as part of her training for visual arts, but Mother needs to remember that her child is an ADULT and in College, so it is no longer Moms decision but her daughters. Daughter read the Professors syllabus, she decided to take the class and obviously has chosen to follow a career path where nudity is part of it.

It is a non issue.

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

If there were a class called nudity 101 or porn star 101 or something like that I wouldn't have a problem. (except I want to be the prof)

However to say that because there is nudity in acting does not mean it is a pre-req for any artist entering the field unless they choose to be nude during that performance.

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ORIGINAL: LipstickLeuger

This is a Visual Performance Arts class, so someone who took this class could use it to get a degree that allows them to perform on stage in musicals and plays on Broadway. It is NOT unusual for an actor or actress to perform nude on stage. Hair, Equus, The Full Monty, and several other shows that I can't think of off hand have nudity in them. Many visual performing arts in and of themselves deal with being nude, and how one uses their body to get across their performance, or message of that particular play, musical or dance.

I am sure Mother is upset about her daughter having to be nude as part of her training for visual arts, but Mother needs to remember that her child is an ADULT and in College, so it is no longer Moms decision but her daughters. Daughter read the Professors syllabus, she decided to take the class and obviously has chosen to follow a career path where nudity is part of it.

It is a non issue.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: LipstickLeuger

This is a Visual Performance Arts class, so someone who took this class could use it to get a degree that allows them to perform on stage in musicals and plays on Broadway. It is NOT unusual for an actor or actress to perform nude on stage. Hair, Equus, The Full Monty, and several other shows that I can't think of off hand have nudity in them. Many visual performing arts in and of themselves deal with being nude, and how one uses their body to get across their performance, or message of that particular play, musical or dance.

I am sure Mother is upset about her daughter having to be nude as part of her training for visual arts, but Mother needs to remember that her child is an ADULT and in College, so it is no longer Moms decision but her daughters. Daughter read the Professors syllabus, she decided to take the class and obviously has chosen to follow a career path where nudity is part of it.

It is a non issue.

I do agree with this except that we now have a generation of children in college who cannot function without their helicopter parents. Also the question of who is paying for the class? Although if mom is paying and disagrees with the classes then that needs to be taken up with the girl.

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: LipstickLeuger

This is a Visual Performance Arts class, so someone who took this class could use it to get a degree that allows them to perform on stage in musicals and plays on Broadway. It is NOT unusual for an actor or actress to perform nude on stage. Hair, Equus, The Full Monty, and several other shows that I can't think of off hand have nudity in them. Many visual performing arts in and of themselves deal with being nude, and how one uses their body to get across their performance, or message of that particular play, musical or dance.

I am sure Mother is upset about her daughter having to be nude as part of her training for visual arts, but Mother needs to remember that her child is an ADULT and in College, so it is no longer Moms decision but her daughters. Daughter read the Professors syllabus, she decided to take the class and obviously has chosen to follow a career path where nudity is part of it.

It is a non issue.

Being not unusual in a professional career and being required in school are not the same thing. For instance, a short arm inspection is a pretty fundamental thing while entering the service but no where required in ROTC. Personally, for me, I'd fly to New York to see a Broadway play with Bernadette Peters naked in it. (Well I may be years past that bloom) But it doesn't happen. So I don't see the relevance of a forced audition in school. I suspect the instructor didn't either as apparently he's changed the requirement now that his cat is out of the bag.

I'm not sure about your second paragraph. Is it your point that the mother should not be upset that her daughter was forced to appear nude in order to get her degree as opposed to your statement that her daughter was having to be nude for Training? Do you consider it true that the mother should butt out even if the mother was paying for the degree? Even if the mother knew for a fact the daughter would come and live with her until she was thirty because she'd never get a job with that degree?

I remember that I went to college in a state where I was fifth generation resident on both sides of the family. The university chose, because I happened to finish high school in another state, to consider me an out of state student and tried to charge me egregious amounts to attend. Do you consider that my family getting involved with that situation was equally none of their business because I was over 18 years old? Or, do families just do those sorts of things and it's really part of being a family?

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ORIGINAL: LipstickLeuger

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: LipstickLeuger

I find it interesting in the extreme that suddenly the syllabus is changing. However, I would have to wonder that after a decade or more if it being taught this way, if it is truly because the 'cat is out of the bag', or because it is just easier to bear the change of syllabus, instead of all the scrutiny being lobbed his way as a pervert, etc. by some people. Professors are given guidelines on how to teach their classes, then they have to submit what they teach for approval.

That is exactly my point. The daughter is an adult, and should be treated as one. The daughter had a choice, she could have chosen to 'possibly fail'. It was not even a 100% chance of failing. She read the syllabus and knew what to expect.

Yes, I still consider that even if the Mother was paying for the class that she butt out of it, and address this class choice with her daughter. If the Mother only agreed to pay for a certain degree, and the daughter choose to take another not agreed upon degree then the Mother would have the choice to withdraw her funding of the daughters college. The daughter could then choose to get loans and such like the rest of the world, to continue in her career path. If however, the Mother was aware of the degree path her daughter was on and simply does not agree with what is being taught, and how it is being taught, that is something again she should take up with her daughter, the adult in this situation. Yes, even if the Mother thinks that her child was not going to be gainfully employed and live with her until 30. No one can be 100% sure that a degree will amount to nothing, and again, at this time the Mother would have the option to not have her child live with her or to have her work at a factory to get gainfully employed, after all many college grads do not get a job in their degrees.( except for STEM jobs)

If, as an adult, you asked for help in a certain life situation from your family and parents, then they should help, it is then appropriate. However, if they took it upon themselves to take care of it, without you asking for it from them, because you wanted to try and solve it for yourself, they overstepped.

Once your child is 18, you have NO legal right over their information, medical, grades, or anything else any longer. You cannot ask for info to be released to you as a parent either. This is the law. The only way for someone to get your info is if you release it to them.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: LipstickLeuger

This is a Visual Performance Arts class, so someone who took this class could use it to get a degree that allows them to perform on stage in musicals and plays on Broadway. It is NOT unusual for an actor or actress to perform nude on stage. Hair, Equus, The Full Monty, and several other shows that I can't think of off hand have nudity in them. Many visual performing arts in and of themselves deal with being nude, and how one uses their body to get across their performance, or message of that particular play, musical or dance.

I am sure Mother is upset about her daughter having to be nude as part of her training for visual arts, but Mother needs to remember that her child is an ADULT and in College, so it is no longer Moms decision but her daughters. Daughter read the Professors syllabus, she decided to take the class and obviously has chosen to follow a career path where nudity is part of it.

It is a non issue.

I have to take exception with the over-all tone, here.

Does every acting job require nudity? What about those students that wish to pursue a career in acting but also have a different set of values than the mainstream? Fuck what they want? I realize that's a popular bent, these days (when aimed at certain people)but don't these young adults with different values (or body image issues) deserve a shot at getting the degree so that they can seek out those acting jobs that don't require nudity?

I find this to be just another case of "toe the party line or we'll make sure you have no future". Unbelievable in the country that used to be The United States of America.



Michael

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ORIGINAL: LipstickLeuger

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: LipstickLeuger

This is a Visual Performance Arts class, so someone who took this class could use it to get a degree that allows them to perform on stage in musicals and plays on Broadway. It is NOT unusual for an actor or actress to perform nude on stage. Hair, Equus, The Full Monty, and several other shows that I can't think of off hand have nudity in them. Many visual performing arts in and of themselves deal with being nude, and how one uses their body to get across their performance, or message of that particular play, musical or dance.

I am sure Mother is upset about her daughter having to be nude as part of her training for visual arts, but Mother needs to remember that her child is an ADULT and in College, so it is no longer Moms decision but her daughters. Daughter read the Professors syllabus, she decided to take the class and obviously has chosen to follow a career path where nudity is part of it.

It is a non issue.

I have to take exception with the over-all tone, here.

Does every acting job require nudity? What about those students that wish to pursue a career in acting but also have a different set of values than the mainstream? Fuck what they want? I realize that's a popular bent, these days (when aimed at certain people)but don't these young adults with different values (or body image issues) deserve a shot at getting the degree so that they can seek out those acting jobs that don't require nudity?

I find this to be just another case of "toe the party line or we'll make sure you have no future". Unbelievable in the country that used to be The United States of America.



Michael

It is certainly your perogative to take exception.

If a student takes a class and is uncomfortable with what is read in the syllabus, then as an adult, they should take it up with the Professor, or see if they can take another class that fills that degree expectation.(instead of having Mommy handle it) If no other class is available and they cannot overcome their discomfort with it, they need to chose another career path, or augment their career path to something they can fufill. Maybe a different type of Performing Arts degree.

This happens in college all the time when a student cannot fufill something required in a certain degree. Maybe they want to be a Doctor, but cannot do the Calculus required, do they have the right to still get awarded that degree because of 'something they can't overcome' ? What about all the students who do overcome it? Don't they have the right to that degree while someone else gets a pass because of something they have a problem with?

Because honestly, nobody gets to have everything they want in life. If you teach your kids this, you do them a disservice.

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: LipstickLeuger

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: LipstickLeuger

I find it interesting in the extreme that suddenly the syllabus is changing. However, I would have to wonder that after a decade or more if it being taught this way, if it is truly because the 'cat is out of the bag', or because it is just easier to bear the change of syllabus, instead of all the scrutiny being lobbed his way as a pervert, etc. by some people. Professors are given guidelines on how to teach their classes, then they have to submit what they teach for approval.

That is exactly my point. The daughter is an adult, and should be treated as one. The daughter had a choice, she could have chosen to 'possibly fail'. It was not even a 100% chance of failing. She read the syllabus and knew what to expect.

Yes, I still consider that even if the Mother was paying for the class that she butt out of it, and address this class choice with her daughter. If the Mother only agreed to pay for a certain degree, and the daughter choose to take another not agreed upon degree then the Mother would have the choice to withdraw her funding of the daughters college. The daughter could then choose to get loans and such like the rest of the world, to continue in her career path. If however, the Mother was aware of the degree path her daughter was on and simply does not agree with what is being taught, and how it is being taught, that is something again she should take up with her daughter, the adult in this situation. Yes, even if the Mother thinks that her child was not going to be gainfully employed and live with her until 30. No one can be 100% sure that a degree will amount to nothing, and again, at this time the Mother would have the option to not have her child live with her or to have her work at a factory to get gainfully employed, after all many college grads do not get a job in their degrees.( except for STEM jobs)

If, as an adult, you asked for help in a certain life situation from your family and parents, then they should help, it is then appropriate. However, if they took it upon themselves to take care of it, without you asking for it from them, because you wanted to try and solve it for yourself, they overstepped.

Once your child is 18, you have NO legal right over their information, medical, grades, or anything else any longer. You cannot ask for info to be released to you as a parent either. This is the law. The only way for someone to get your info is if you release it to them.

Okay, for the most part I'll accept a difference of opinion with the following caveats.

Having a STEM education and job myself, I admit that's my perspective.

I was shocked, when at the age of 12 or so my Mother took me to San Francisco to see the Broadway touring company perform HAIR. I wasn't shocked at the nudity. I was shocked my mother took my siblings and I.

Third, and last, haven't i heard, all my life, "I don't care how old you are, I'm still your mother/father". I don't buy the legal age thing. While true I don't expect it matters to many mothers/fathers.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Of course a naked body single is wonderful. A group of naked people is a perversion.

Luv ya'. Reminds me of Spencer Tunick's Naked States photo project and the documentary about it. Not all nudity is sexual or erotic . . . sometimes it is just beautiful art.

Naked States - The Full Documentary Movie @ Daily Motion

[image]http://gramponante.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/tunick1.jpg[/image]

Naked States (2000) Review and info @ IMDb
Photographer Spencer Tunick travels the U.S. in search of large groups of volunteers to pose nude for his outlaw photo-shoots, all of them done out in public.

[image]http://cimg2.163.com/health/2006/8/3/20060803110717b3300.jpg[/image] [image]http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2221/2107805643_46c28ffba6_z.jpg[/image]

Thousands strip off for world's biggest nude photoshoot
It was a sea of flesh almost as far as the eye could see, as 18,000 people stripped off and stood around stark naked. The hordes bared all for photographer Spencer Tunick's biggest nude project so far. The US artist's stunt in Mexico City dwarfed his previous record, when 7,000 people stripped off to be photographed in Barcelona.

[image]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/04_03/NakedAP_468x312.jpg[/image] [image]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/04_03/Naked2AP_468x312.jpg[/image]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-453166/Thousands-strip-worlds-biggest-nude-photoshoot.html#ixzz3a5NQSQso

I am assuming thats all consensual public nudity, rather than forced

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Of course a naked body single is wonderful. A group of naked people is a perversion.

Luv ya'. Reminds me of Spencer Tunick's Naked States photo project and the documentary about it. Not all nudity is sexual or erotic . . . sometimes it is just beautiful art.

Naked States - The Full Documentary Movie @ Daily Motion

[image]http://gramponante.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/tunick1.jpg[/image]

Naked States (2000) Review and info @ IMDb
Photographer Spencer Tunick travels the U.S. in search of large groups of volunteers to pose nude for his outlaw photo-shoots, all of them done out in public.

[image]http://cimg2.163.com/health/2006/8/3/20060803110717b3300.jpg[/image] [image]http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2221/2107805643_46c28ffba6_z.jpg[/image]

Thousands strip off for world's biggest nude photoshoot
It was a sea of flesh almost as far as the eye could see, as 18,000 people stripped off and stood around stark naked. The hordes bared all for photographer Spencer Tunick's biggest nude project so far. The US artist's stunt in Mexico City dwarfed his previous record, when 7,000 people stripped off to be photographed in Barcelona.

[image]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/04_03/NakedAP_468x312.jpg[/image] [image]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/04_03/Naked2AP_468x312.jpg[/image]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-453166/Thousands-strip-worlds-biggest-nude-photoshoot.html#ixzz3a5NQSQso

I am assuming thats all consensual public nudity, rather than forced

She isn't forced . . . no ones is holding a gun to her saying get undressed. She can not get undressed and fail the class or quit the class or get in time machine and go back in time to read the reqs before joining the class she doesn't want to participate in. She is in school, not jail . . . not forced, only volunteers and she shouldn't have voluntarily taken that class. She isn't the teacher and she shouldn't;t be allowed to set the class curriculum based on her own emotional hangups.

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
Personally I hate prerequisite requirements (except those required for a degree) I would like to go to the local community college and take Introduction to Communications Inquiry (com 207) but in order to do it I must take Introduction to Communications (com 100). Whether or not I pass is my problem. Whose business is it to limit me except to extort money from me?

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

yeah tried that dean said no. from what I hear they rarely give credit for skills learned elswhere as well

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

I am not working on a degree. Just want to take an odd class here and there because it tweeks an interest at the time.