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BamaD -> RE: Cops lives don't matter. (5/12/2015 6:03:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV There has been one officer killed in NY by gunfire so far this year. 4 in 2014. And exactly one in 2013. Eleven officers in NY have been killed by gunfire in the line of duty this decade. Obviously, one is too many, but it really isn't as commonplace as you make it out to be. Over half of those were last year, I was not talking about a vast number, but of a vast increase. And this proportional increase is repeated across the country. Keep in mind that from the NYPD population 4 is as if over 40,000 people were murdered last year, in NYC alone. Shouldn't let other people do the math, it only equates to about 1600 murders, or double the rate for Chicago.

JVoV -> RE: Cops lives don't matter. (5/12/2015 6:13:49 PM)
Bama, I don't even understand how you can equate 4 with 1600, or 40,000. 4 is 4.

BamaD -> RE: Cops lives don't matter. (5/12/2015 6:16:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV Bama, I don't even understand how you can equate 4 with 1600, or 40,000. 4 is 4. 4 out of the population the size of the police department is the same murder rate and 1600 from the population of NYC, very simple. To discuss the impact of the number of murders you have to look not at the gross number but at the percentage.

JVoV -> RE: Cops lives don't matter. (5/12/2015 9:08:34 PM)
It would actually be 2 out of a total 355,000 police officers for NYPD. If you wanna include the Rochester or Johnson City officers, you should probably use the total of all law enforcement for the state, otherwise you destroy your own scale. In 2014, NYC had its lowest murder rate since the 60's. Only 328 for a population of 8.35 Million. Accurate starting numbers might help your math make sense.

stef -> RE: Cops lives don't matter. (5/12/2015 10:05:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD I grew up in a police family and speak from experience, you from your bias. As you illustrate nearly every time your fingers touch the keyboard, you have no idea what you're talking about. My father was a state trooper for 30 years before he retired. Say some more idiotic things. You appear to be a savant.

HunterCA -> RE: Cops lives don't matter. (5/12/2015 10:14:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD I grew up in a police family and speak from experience, you from your bias. As you illustrate nearly every time your fingers touch the keyboard, you have no idea what you're talking about. My father was a state trooper for 30 years before he retired. Say some more idiotic things. You appear to be a savant. What a petty thing. You haven't added a whit to this conversation except small contempt.

BamaD -> RE: Cops lives don't matter. (5/12/2015 10:19:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV It would actually be 2 out of a total 355,000 police officers for NYPD. If you wanna include the Rochester or Johnson City officers, you should probably use the total of all law enforcement for the state, otherwise you destroy your own scale. In 2014, NYC had its lowest murder rate since the 60's. Only 328 for a population of 8.35 Million. Accurate starting numbers might help your math make sense. According to wikipedia the NYPD is only 36,600 strong, a far cry from over a quarter million. New York has a population of 8.5 million. To calculate the relative number of murders you would have to multiply the two by 232 which now that I have exact figures to work with making it the rate of murders as the general population. That comes out to 462. I think you would agree that this is significant. When you add to this the widespread knee jerk reaction to absolve the people chanting for dead cops someone thought that a couple of dead cops was a small price to pay for political gain.

JVoV -> RE: Cops lives don't matter. (5/12/2015 10:42:36 PM)
Yeah, misplaced the , in the 35.5k I never said it wasn't significant. But 462 is still not the 1600 or 40,000 you've claimed in prior posts. Big difference. And both officers were murdered at the same time, by the same person. It was one event, with two tragic deaths, followed by the culprit's suicide. One incident is not a pattern of escalation of violence within the city as a whole.

BamaD -> RE: Cops lives don't matter. (5/12/2015 10:58:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV Yeah, misplaced the , in the 35.5k I never said it wasn't significant. But 462 is still not the 1600 or 40,000 you've claimed in prior posts. Big difference. And both officers were murdered at the same time, by the same person. It was one event, with two tragic deaths, followed by the culprit's suicide. One incident is not a pattern of escalation of violence within the city as a whole. Yes I was working with bad figures. As I pointed out. And the 40000 was when I let someone else do the math. As I also pointed out. 15 ambush murders nation wide is a big jump. These figures don't even take into account the attempts. For example the two cops shot in Ferguson during a "peaceful" protest. And the media, for the most part scrambled to find excuses for it not to be the protesters fault. You have to look at the incidents of assaults on police, not just the ones that succeeded. It is reasonable to expect the cops to win a lot of those. In fact at least half of the times leftest come on here outraged over a cop shooting someone this is exactly what happened.

stef -> RE: Cops lives don't matter. (5/12/2015 11:08:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA What a petty thing. You haven't added a whit to this conversation except small contempt. Irony, you haz it. Run back to your master, lickspittle.

JVoV -> RE: Cops lives don't matter. (5/12/2015 11:26:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV Yeah, misplaced the , in the 35.5k I never said it wasn't significant. But 462 is still not the 1600 or 40,000 you've claimed in prior posts. Big difference. And both officers were murdered at the same time, by the same person. It was one event, with two tragic deaths, followed by the culprit's suicide. One incident is not a pattern of escalation of violence within the city as a whole. Yes I was working with bad figures. As I pointed out. And the 40000 was when I let someone else do the math. As I also pointed out. 15 ambush murders nation wide is a big jump. These figures don't even take into account the attempts. For example the two cops shot in Ferguson during a "peaceful" protest. And the media, for the most part scrambled to find excuses for it not to be the protesters fault. You have to look at the incidents of assaults on police, not just the ones that succeeded. It is reasonable to expect the cops to win a lot of those. In fact at least half of the times leftest come on here outraged over a cop shooting someone this is exactly what happened. Still, I think you're skewing the data a bit. 2013 was a really good year, with fewer incidents of deaths and assaults than any time in the last decade. And I've already given you historical numbers. The number of incidents in 2014 may have gone up from 2013, but it is in line with 2012, and still down from a decade before.

HunterCA -> RE: Cops lives don't matter. (5/13/2015 7:48:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA What a petty thing. You haven't added a whit to this conversation except small contempt. Irony, you haz it. Run back to your master, lickspittle. Shhh, big people are talking.

mnottertail -> RE: Cops lives don't matter. (5/13/2015 7:57:06 AM)
look up the etymology of mass. it has been used to describe a clump of people since around the 11th century. it is latin in derivation, and was probably used for mobs in those days as well. To be ignorant is one thing, but to be wholly ignorant on a range of issues and simultaneously the whole of the English language is one reason why many of the rabid right are constantly derided.

BamaD -> RE: Cops lives don't matter. (5/13/2015 8:10:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV Yeah, misplaced the , in the 35.5k I never said it wasn't significant. But 462 is still not the 1600 or 40,000 you've claimed in prior posts. Big difference. And both officers were murdered at the same time, by the same person. It was one event, with two tragic deaths, followed by the culprit's suicide. One incident is not a pattern of escalation of violence within the city as a whole. Yes I was working with bad figures. As I pointed out. And the 40000 was when I let someone else do the math. As I also pointed out. 15 ambush murders nation wide is a big jump. These figures don't even take into account the attempts. For example the two cops shot in Ferguson during a "peaceful" protest. And the media, for the most part scrambled to find excuses for it not to be the protesters fault. You have to look at the incidents of assaults on police, not just the ones that succeeded. It is reasonable to expect the cops to win a lot of those. In fact at least half of the times leftest come on here outraged over a cop shooting someone this is exactly what happened. Still, I think you're skewing the data a bit. 2013 was a really good year, with fewer incidents of deaths and assaults than any time in the last decade. And I've already given you historical numbers. The number of incidents in 2014 may have gone up from 2013, but it is in line with 2012, and still down from a decade before. The main thing I was alluding too in the OP was attitudes. I will point out however that the jump was fueled by targeting of cops. What I find disturbing is the view we see in the media and here that even if the cops didn't do anything wrong in the situation that they created a situation causing the problem. For example the assertion, made in Hattiesburg, that something like this was unavoidable because the police "harass" young black men. In Ferguson when even the DOJ couldn't find anything on Wilson they went after the whole department. When cops were shot during a "peaceful" demonstration (which included bottles of frozen water being thrown at the cops) everything was done to whitewash the "peaceful" demonstrators. Here and in the media the idea that there was any connection between demonstrators chanting for dead cops and the assassination of to cops was poo pooed (to be fair the Mayor asked them to not hold demonstrations on the day of the funerals). As seen in this thread at least one person stated that getting shot was part of the job and another sees the police as being so bad that only uprisings by "the masses" can obtain justice. I appreciate the fact that you have conducted this entire conversation without hyperbole or insult.

mnottertail -> RE: Cops lives don't matter. (5/13/2015 10:28:40 AM)
Well, attitudes . . . the net is rife with videos of cops beating people. They aint nice people.

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