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ORIGINAL: kyang777

Dear Mistresses:

I am reading Elise Sutton's online book, she said that there are several subtle and powerful psychological ways to get into submissive man's heads, including making man to shave pubic hair, body hair, but the dominate woman will keep all the hairs, she said that over the time, with other things like corporal discipline, queening and strapon, the man will be transformed little by little.

What do you think? Will it works? Any thoughts?

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ORIGINAL: Gauge

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ORIGINAL: kyang777

Dear Mistresses:

I am reading Elise Sutton's online book, she said that there are several subtle and powerful psychological ways to get into submissive man's heads, including making man to shave pubic hair, body hair, but the dominate woman will keep all the hairs, she said that over the time, with other things like corporal discipline, queening and strapon, the man will be transformed little by little.

What do you think? Will it works? Any thoughts?

Transformed into what? A submissive?

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ORIGINAL: kyang777

Yes, more submissive.

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ORIGINAL: kyang777

Dear Mistresses:

I am reading Elise Sutton's online book, she said that there are several subtle and powerful psychological ways to get into submissive man's heads, including making man to shave pubic hair, body hair, but the dominate woman will keep all the hairs, she said that over the time, with other things like corporal discipline, queening and strapon, the man will be transformed little by little.

What do you think? Will it works? Any thoughts?

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ORIGINAL: kyang777
I am reading Elise Sutton's online book, she said that there are several subtle and powerful psychological ways to get into submissive man's heads, including making man to shave pubic hair, body hair, but the dominate woman will keep all the hairs, she said that over the time, with other things like corporal discipline, queening and strapon, the man will be transformed little by little.

What do you think? Will it works? Any thoughts?

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ORIGINAL: Gauge
I do things to inspire submission, not to try to tinker in her head in the hopes that I come up with something that will transform her. I bring it out in her, in everything I do, oddly, very little of what I do to her sexually makes her more submissive. What I do to her sexually is when she gets to show me her submission.

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ORIGINAL: Aibo

Many years ago when I came home to the house I shared with my first girlfriend I got a small shock since she had shaved her head. Yes I got seriously surprised, since we weren't that deep into SM. We had a 'bedroom-sib' kind of relationship. So that was quite a leap on her part.

Quite some years later, my slave girl also went to shave hear head and without consulting me, so she got what she deserved from that. :P

Anyhow, that about female submissives, but I have also noted at SM meetups at various kinds that male subs also quite often got a shaved head.
So yes there's something to this, and that something is objectification.

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ORIGINAL: kyang777

Dear Mistresses:

I am reading Elise Sutton's online book, she said that there are several subtle and powerful psychological ways to get into submissive man's heads, including making man to shave pubic hair, body hair, but the dominate woman will keep all the hairs, she said that over the time, with other things like corporal discipline, queening and strapon, the man will be transformed little by little.

What do you think? Will it works? Any thoughts?

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ORIGINAL: MiaCastle

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ORIGINAL: kyang777

Dear Mistresses:

I am reading Elise Sutton's online book, she said that there are several subtle and powerful psychological ways to get into submissive man's heads, including making man to shave pubic hair, body hair, but the dominate woman will keep all the hairs, she said that over the time, with other things like corporal discipline, queening and strapon, the man will be transformed little by little.

What do you think? Will it works? Any thoughts?

Why would I deny my own pleasure by shaving off what I want to pull?

I don't put much worth in other dominant's teaching submissive's how it is best for a dominant to train them. The need for a submissive man to learn about dominant women in hopes of finding a dominant and in wanting to fulfill their desires, is often used by those that are making money off their needs. You may have one dominant woman speaking for most dominant women and what I know about dominant women is that you don't take it for granted that a dominant woman would be grateful for that.

This seems that someone is putting dominant women and submissive men in a square room, sitting at a table with crayons and coloring books and telling them to stay in the room and color in the lines. Conforming to elementary life isn't a desire of mine and is exactly what I snubbed my nose at when I did things my way. I train my men and don't need anyone's assistance. I don't want prior programing I have to deprogram, in a man lost enough to believe that one woman could speak for another and would need instruction on how to be a dominant woman.

Stop being tricked by smart women taking advantage of the needs submissive men may have seeking a dominant woman and spend more time finding a woman you like and respect and get it straight from the dominant woman. You can't read a fairy tale princess story and know a real life woman that could be your princess if you hadn't listened to that person telling you what all the princesses' want or should do to you.

Mia

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

I'm a Top, not a dominant so keep that in mind. If someone told me they thought shaving off all their hair would transform them into a submissive; I'd hand them a pair of tweezers, instead of a razor, and tell them to pluck the hairs, individually one by one. That's just me though.

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ORIGINAL: kyang777

Dear Mistresses:

I am reading Elise Sutton's online book, she said that there are several subtle and powerful psychological ways to get into submissive man's heads, including making man to shave pubic hair, body hair, but the dominate woman will keep all the hairs, she said that over the time, with other things like corporal discipline, queening and strapon, the man will be transformed little by little.

What do you think? Will it works? Any thoughts?

Although the closest F/m dynamic I choose resembles an FLR, this is one of the reasons why I don't adhere to the "traditional" FLR model. Granted, I've only read excerpts of Elise Sutton's writings and have not studied her works mainly because the Female Supremacist thinking interwoven throughout was enough to turn me off.

Many of these precepts were originally based upon having to transform your husband into a man who will be submissive to you and accept your authority and control, and then reinforcing his submission routinely through acts of humiliation or debasement, those of putting him in his place.

If a man is naturally submissive and willing to please his wife, the kind of man who puts a woman on a pedestal, then he should be willing to be self-motivated to be a good husband and a good lover without having to be psychologically conditioned into becoming subordinate to his wife.

The type of man who has to be "trained" into submission by a handler, is the type of man who will rebel against it or else passive-aggressively act out. Either that, or you will end up breaking a man's spirit in the process of breaking him in, the same as with breaking in a horse. An expert horse trainer - any animal trainer - would never do this, and a man's (or woman's) spirit should be no less honored than a tamed animal's, who naturally bonds by showing affection, loyalty and devotion to its Owner without any show of brute force or being subjected to acts of degradation. A man, like a dog, is also wired to be fiercely protective.

I prefer a fully-maned, spirited horse to ride.

DreamLady

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ORIGINAL: dreamlady
The type of man who has to be "trained" into submission by a handler, is the type of man who will rebel against it or else passive-aggressively act out.

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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes

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ORIGINAL: dreamlady
The type of man who has to be "trained" into submission by a handler, is the type of man who will rebel against it or else passive-aggressively act out.

Agreed.

These are the types of men women talk about when they say that a man becomes unruly after he orgasms.

I've even heard he *gasp* "acts like a man again." As if acting like a man is a bad thing. At least it's not if you chose the right man to begin with.

In my view, anyway.

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes

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ORIGINAL: dreamlady
The type of man who has to be "trained" into submission by a handler, is the type of man who will rebel against it or else passive-aggressively act out.

Agreed.

These are the types of men women talk about when they say that a man becomes unruly after he orgasms.

I've even heard he *gasp* "acts like a man again." As if acting like a man is a bad thing. At least it's not if you chose the right man to begin with.

In my view, anyway.

I don't think, in most cases, that these men are submissive. I think they are fetishists who have been pigeonholed into thinking they have to identify as submissive to satisfy their fetish.