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What BS. Baltamore had over $15,000 per Pupil. School funding everywhere has escalated way beyond inflation. If there's a problem, it's not money, it's regulation coming from the Department of Education.

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Don't most classrooms still have American flags in them already? How could a t-shirt with one be disruptive? (Not including any text added, only a flag. Ok, maybe an eagle.)

Not all classrooms have American flags in them. The more affluent the neighborhood to which the school is located in; the more likely an American flag will be in a class room. Unfortunately it comes down to budget items. Schools in poor neighborhoods would like many things; unfortunately their resources are quite limited.

Its a curious thing with artwork to a t-shirt. Back when I was in school, a t-shirt showing the demons from Warhammer (i.e. the Chaos Armies) had images of demons and armored 'knights' (called Chaos Lords in the game system). Had a teacher that was offended by it. I knew of one person that wore a t-shirt with snakes on it because one of the students they were bullying had a fear of them. I'm sure if want to know more, take a visit to your local school system and either ask the principals or 'school psychologists' what impacts imagery on shirts can have towards staff and student alike. Even one with an American flag upon it.

How could a flag be disruptive? Consider the Nazi War Flag towards Jewish students in the 1950's whom are recent immigrants from Europe. Would that not be disruptive? Or the Confederate flag to black students in the South? Or the American flag towards Native Americans?

What BS. Baltamore had over $15,000 per Pupil. School funding everywhere has escalated way beyond inflation. If there's a problem, it's not money, it's regulation coming from the Department of Education.

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At some point all you special snowflakes need to stop insisting that other people fall in line with your delicate sensibilities.

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Read the quote Joe, what you said. Then see if you can figure it out.

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Read the quote Joe, what you said. Then see if you can figure it out.

Let's back up, you tell me where "Baltamore" exists in the United States.

Baltimore spending is a rather misleading and ultimately 'simpleton' understanding of their situation. First lets see where that $15,000 quote originates. That's right, from FOX 'news'. An organization that usually does a crap-tastic job on journalism. Its target audience is someone like you; i.e. 'The Low Information Voter'. The sort of person that can not handle complex and complicated things.

I would think for an 'engineer' with '30 years' of experience could handle the more complex and complicated stuff associated with education. Apparently not....

While 'How much per pupil' is a factor; it is but one factor in the whole equation. Where are the schools? What are their conditions? Where are they located in the city? What are those neighborhoods like? What is the status of public and civil services in those areas (i.e. police, fire, libraries, parks, etc.). What is the quality of the teaching staff? How much are they being compensated for services (pay plus benefits)? Are their 'wages' in line with the industry? How many special needs students are there and what are their needs? What are the after-school programs and clubs at each of these schools? How much do the parents of these children help in the education system? What is the status of technology and knowledge being displayed and used (from computers to access to high school and college level material)?

Those questions are just the tip of the iceberg. Meaning it takes some real fact finding research to develop an 'as complete' analysis of the problem(s). From there, a plan can start taking form to keep what is good and improve upon the bad. That this sort of stuff seems very complicated for someone claiming to be an engineer with an education and thirty years seems very unusual. I dont know a single engineer that would behave like you on this topic. Many of the questions above are 'engineer-like' questions. Engineers can not fix something unless they understand the problem(s) or have the ability to gauge success after changes are made.

Finally, what is the caliber of the student population? You can have all the best systems in place; but if the kids are dumb as boards, your not going to succeed.

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We have required children to pay attention in class; its called Common Core. I seem to recall you were against that concept as well....regulating that children pay attention in class. Again, your against what your for and for what your against.

Come on Joether use that much praised (by you) brain. As far back as the one room school house kids were required to pay attention, they didn't need a federal program.

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We have required children to pay attention in class; its called Common Core. I seem to recall you were against that concept as well....regulating that children pay attention in class. Again, your against what your for and for what your against.

Come on Joether use that much praised (by you) brain. As far back as the one room school house kids were required to pay attention, they didn't need a federal program.

I would not worry about it Bama, the twit is not making sense again. You can "see" the spittle flying from his fingertips.

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Bull. The courts have upheld the right to wear the flag, walk on the flag, set it on fire.

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Bull. The courts have upheld the right to wear the flag, walk on the flag, set it on fire.

Actually, schools are allowed to limit freedom of speech (to a degree), including the display and/or wearing of the flag, if they feel it necessary to avoid severe disruption. To what degree they can limit it remains to be seen. If I am not mistaken, there is a case headed to the Supreme Court right now regarding this exact issue-banning students from wearing clothing with the flag on it as a direct response to other students' celebrating their ethnic heritage (Mexican).

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Bull. The courts have upheld the right to wear the flag, walk on the flag, set it on fire.

Actually, schools are allowed to limit freedom of speech (to a degree), including the display and/or wearing of the flag, if they feel it necessary to avoid severe disruption. To what degree they can limit it remains to be seen. If I am not mistaken, there is a case headed to the Supreme Court right now regarding this exact issue-banning students from wearing clothing with the flag on it as a direct response to other students' celebrating their ethnic heritage (Mexican).

I remember that news. So I'll say so here in order that someone doesn't ask you for a link. I didn't know it was going to the SCOTUS. That's interesting.

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I would say the first picture represents a deed that is unnecessary at school and not worth the outrage of veterans or anyone else.

The second is a peaceful protest, though distasteful, as a way to emphasize a feeling among many African Americans that they do not have the same rights in the country that flag represents.

I think the second picture is a far better use of the flag than the first.

Butch

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I would say the first picture represents a deed that is unnecessary at school and not worth the outrage of veterans or anyone else.

The second is a peaceful protest, though distasteful, as a way to emphasize a feeling among many African Americans that they do not have the same rights in the country that flag represents.

I think the second picture is a far better use of the flag than the first.

Butch

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I find it offensive as well but it is still a better use of our flag and far more important than some kid throwing a temper tantrum over flag waving.

Butch

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I remember that news. So I'll say so here in order that someone doesn't ask you for a link. I didn't know it was going to the SCOTUS. That's interesting.