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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/9/2015 6:58:28 PM   
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And still the point I was trying to make flies right over your head. I have a right to say something "hateful" as you put it, just as much as you do. That's all it truly boils down to bub.


For someone who is intellectually bankrupt, you give yourself an awful lot of credit

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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/9/2015 7:34:22 PM   
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Christians are still humans and fall prey to all the same temptations consistent with being human.


We are not talking about temptations consistent with being human here, please tell me that you misspoke.


Are you suggesting that "The Devil made him do it"?

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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/9/2015 7:46:31 PM   
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Christians are still humans and fall prey to all the same temptations consistent with being human.


We are not talking about temptations consistent with being human here, please tell me that you misspoke.


I most certainly did not, but for clarity's sake, I am not saying all humans are tempted to molest children, or that all older siblings think about molesting their younger siblings.

rather, i am saying all humans (or nearly all) are tempted by sex and being Christian does not remove that.

if the sex takes a form of perversion, like incest as is the case here, that does not change its origins---a desire for sex that is built into humanity.

alternatively, maybe it was about power--i don't know, but my point still works.

we don't do acts without desiring the acts first---where do you think his desires (temptations) came from except for an essential (desire for sex), albeit immoral (with siblings), part of his being human?

what is josh duggar if not human?




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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/9/2015 7:48:06 PM   
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Christians are still humans and fall prey to all the same temptations consistent with being human.


We are not talking about temptations consistent with being human here, please tell me that you misspoke.


Are you suggesting that "The Devil made him do it"?


or that he was taken over by an alien entity?

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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/9/2015 8:06:40 PM   
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While we are on the devil and satan, ..oh and some rw christian views on how the debil is destroying america

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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/10/2015 6:12:27 AM   
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you mean like this guy?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/08/gay-cure-charles-limandri_n_7537308.html
While we are on the devil and satan, ..oh and some rw christian views on how the debil is destroying america


It really is sad that these frauds and their fraudulent practices are still allowed in this day and age. They are little more than institutionalised homophobia, with generous dollops of sadism and self hate thrown in.

It is significant that none of these frauds address the real issue here - homophobia. I am yet to hear of any religious institution offering therapy to cure homophobia though I would certainly welcome one if one does exist or is proposed. The need for such an institution is overwhelming especially when one considers the enormous damage some folks claiming religious-inspiration have caused in this area down the decades and continue to cause today. The good news is that homophobia and other related socio-sexual phobias can be and are successfully treated by any competent therapist.

It is almost a definition of perverse (in its nasty, malicious sense) that hate is not treated yet love is considered so evil that therapy is required. The mind boggles .......



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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/10/2015 8:09:21 AM   
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Christians are still humans and fall prey to all the same temptations consistent with being human.


We are not talking about temptations consistent with being human here, please tell me that you misspoke.


Supernatural temptations???

Subhuman temptations???

WTF are we dealing with here?

sexual molestation of minors....by minors.



From the paper the attorney's wrote:

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California does not prosecute juveniles under the age of 14 under any circumstances. But when a minor 14 years or older breaks the law, there are several ways he or she may be treated within the legal system.

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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/10/2015 8:49:42 AM   
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duggar was 15 when he was...molesting....oh and not in california.

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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/10/2015 9:08:40 AM   
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you mean like this guy?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/08/gay-cure-charles-limandri_n_7537308.html
While we are on the devil and satan, ..oh and some rw christian views on how the debil is destroying america


It really is sad that these frauds and their fraudulent practices are still allowed in this day and age. They are little more than institutionalised homophobia, with generous dollops of sadism and self hate thrown in.

It is significant that none of these frauds address the real issue here - homophobia. I am yet to hear of any religious institution offering therapy to cure homophobia though I would certainly welcome one if one does exist or is proposed. The need for such an institution is overwhelming especially when one considers the enormous damage some folks claiming religious-inspiration have caused in this area down the decades and continue to cause today. The good news is that homophobia and other related socio-sexual phobias can be and are successfully treated by any competent therapist.

It is almost a definition of perverse (in its nasty, malicious sense) that hate is not treated yet love is considered so evil that therapy is required. The mind boggles .......



I just read that Billy Grahams son just pulled his financial dealings with wells fargo, because they dared to put out an ad with a lesbian couple in it....
He can boycott who he wants, his businesses money, his business choice.... but the bank he went with is also proud to stand behind LGBT community and is sponsoring gay pride parades.....



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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/10/2015 9:17:36 AM   
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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/10/2015 9:30:44 AM   
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lovely chap!!!


http://www.mediaite.com/tv/pat-robertson-tells-grieving-mother-her-dead-baby-couldve-grown-up-to-be-hitler/

A friend of a woman mourning the loss of her three-year-old wrote in to The 700 Club asking what to tell her friend when asked how a good God would let some ill children live but let her child die. In his infinite wisdom, Robertson said that God can see the big picture of life and probably killed her child before he or she could become Adolf Hitler.

Don’t believe me? Don’t think Robertson himself would have the gall to say such a thing to a woman grieving her three-year-old? Here’s the full quote:

As far as God’s concerned, He knows the end from the beginning and He sees a little baby and that little baby could grow up to be Adolf Hitler, he could grow up to be Joseph Stalin, he could grow up to be some serial killer, or he could grow up to die of a hideous disease. God sees all of that, and for that life to be terminated while he’s a baby, he’s going to be with God forever in Heaven so it isn’t a bad thing.
Still don’t believe it? Here is the video of him making those exact words come out of his mouth by using his brain and vocal cords:



But this logic is completely flawed. If Robertson’s version of God truly can see what he says He can see, then why didn’t he kill Hitler, Stalin, or all those serial killers while they were children? Did he see them draw a pretty picture or save a puppy from a fire and then assume that they wouldn’t go on to become evil, so He spared them? Because that’s seems a bit short of seeing “the end from the beginning.”

It appears Robertson just jumped Godwin’s shark. In fact, he may have jumped it, water-skied behind it, then jumped it again.



Oh and Im sorry that its a lefty machine thing, but the video is there, and try as I might I couldnt not find a single resource for a "more conservative" bent.


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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/10/2015 9:36:56 AM   
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http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/05/22/heres-half-the-gop-presidential-field-chilling-with-child-molester-josh-duggar-screenshots/

This is what their family values are.

B-B-B-But but but BENGHAZI!!!!


Child molestation can only be conducted by adults. Josh is not a child molester since he is underage at the time. Underage boys do make mistakes and they cannot conduct child molestation by the legal and moral definition.

Nice try. Not really. Actually it sucked.

Please cite the law that states that.
state or fed is fine...



I think you put the cart before the horse. Please cite any law that can be used to charge a child with "child molestation" since you an others have been throwing that hot button description around so much. You cannot because the legal definition of "child molestation" requires an adult and frankly you should know this already. When we charge children with crimes against children we must be careful otherwise most of our children will be in jail for fights on the playground or little girls kissing boys without their consent.

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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/10/2015 9:46:07 AM   
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well done....
but the fact remains that child sexual assault against children IS against the law and children do get charged with sexual assault.
AND he could have been charged with sexual assault, the fact is he was an adolescent, and his sister was a minor under the age of seven
He DID molest a child, the fact that the legal definition of a "legal charge is an adult", doesnt mean he could only be charged as a molester.
He molested, interfered, assaulted SEXUALLY with a minor.
Boys will be boys, doesnt cut it, except in boys minds.
oh and their parents


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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/10/2015 9:52:08 AM   
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http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/05/22/heres-half-the-gop-presidential-field-chilling-with-child-molester-josh-duggar-screenshots/

This is what their family values are.

B-B-B-But but but BENGHAZI!!!!


Child molestation can only be conducted by adults. Josh is not a child molester since he is underage at the time. Underage boys do make mistakes and they cannot conduct child molestation by the legal and moral definition.

Nice try. Not really. Actually it sucked.

Please cite the law that states that.
state or fed is fine...



I think you put the cart before the horse. Please cite any law that can be used to charge a child with "child molestation" since you an others have been throwing that hot button description around so much. You cannot because the legal definition of "child molestation" requires an adult and frankly you should know this already. When we charge children with crimes against children we must be careful otherwise most of our children will be in jail for fights on the playground or little girls kissing boys without their consent.



I'm glad we had this thread because it reminded me of a nine year old girl who kissed me twice when we exchanged Chistmas presents in school. She never asked me for permission and it greatly disturbed me that she would touch me intimatly with her lips on my face and I have had nightmares almost every day from this. I remember her name and am going forward with charges of molestation and abuse and sexualizing and a hate crime also for good measure because since I was white and she did not kiss the black guy sitting beside me I suspect it was racial. Did I mention the nightmares I am having from all that? Plus girl I took to the Skyway drive-in when I was 16 brushed her hand across my private parts and put her head on my shoulder and kissed me also without asking. Naturally I took her home immediately and informed her father I will be taking charges of "child molestation" out on her and since she was Italian I suspect this is also a hate crime against non-Italians.

Thank you all for raising these issues and spending 250 posts doing it. I suspect I can sue these individuals in civil court and pay for several new floggers, a new stock of white (sorry) candles and maybe a new Corvette or two.


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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/10/2015 9:57:51 AM   
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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/10/2015 9:58:23 AM   
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This from Pat Robertson......
lovely chap!!!


http://www.mediaite.com/tv/pat-robertson-tells-grieving-mother-her-dead-baby-couldve-grown-up-to-be-hitler/

A friend of a woman mourning the loss of her three-year-old wrote in to The 700 Club asking what to tell her friend when asked how a good God would let some ill children live but let her child die. In his infinite wisdom, Robertson said that God can see the big picture of life and probably killed her child before he or she could become Adolf Hitler.

Don’t believe me? Don’t think Robertson himself would have the gall to say such a thing to a woman grieving her three-year-old? Here’s the full quote:

As far as God’s concerned, He knows the end from the beginning and He sees a little baby and that little baby could grow up to be Adolf Hitler, he could grow up to be Joseph Stalin, he could grow up to be some serial killer, or he could grow up to die of a hideous disease. God sees all of that, and for that life to be terminated while he’s a baby, he’s going to be with God forever in Heaven so it isn’t a bad thing.


This left me speechless. Was he trying to console the poor woman or torture her? His words must have turned her inside out. A monster could have done better.

It is astonishing to think that someone as un-empathetic, as unfeeling, and let's be blunt, as downright dumb as this is a spiritual leader whose position entails him giving counselling and support to believers. I hope Heaven helps them because it's as clear as daylight this emotional cripple can't.

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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/10/2015 10:04:03 AM   
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This from Pat Robertson......
lovely chap!!!


http://www.mediaite.com/tv/pat-robertson-tells-grieving-mother-her-dead-baby-couldve-grown-up-to-be-hitler/

A friend of a woman mourning the loss of her three-year-old wrote in to The 700 Club asking what to tell her friend when asked how a good God would let some ill children live but let her child die. In his infinite wisdom, Robertson said that God can see the big picture of life and probably killed her child before he or she could become Adolf Hitler.

Don’t believe me? Don’t think Robertson himself would have the gall to say such a thing to a woman grieving her three-year-old? Here’s the full quote:

As far as God’s concerned, He knows the end from the beginning and He sees a little baby and that little baby could grow up to be Adolf Hitler, he could grow up to be Joseph Stalin, he could grow up to be some serial killer, or he could grow up to die of a hideous disease. God sees all of that, and for that life to be terminated while he’s a baby, he’s going to be with God forever in Heaven so it isn’t a bad thing.
Still don’t believe it? Here is the video of him making those exact words come out of his mouth by using his brain and vocal cords:



But this logic is completely flawed. If Robertson’s version of God truly can see what he says He can see, then why didn’t he kill Hitler, Stalin, or all those serial killers while they were children? Did he see them draw a pretty picture or save a puppy from a fire and then assume that they wouldn’t go on to become evil, so He spared them? Because that’s seems a bit short of seeing “the end from the beginning.”

It appears Robertson just jumped Godwin’s shark. In fact, he may have jumped it, water-skied behind it, then jumped it again.



Oh and Im sorry that its a lefty machine thing, but the video is there, and try as I might I couldnt not find a single resource for a "more conservative" bent.



I dont know what the point of your copy&paste is, but it does bring some Jeremiah Wright quotes to mind

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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/10/2015 10:09:47 AM   
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that explains everything.
Thank you Arty

Doesn't it just!

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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/10/2015 10:10:34 AM   
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Pat Robertsone has hundred of idiocies posted as the topic title suggests
RIGHT WING FAMILY VALUES
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Robertson_controversies

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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/10/2015 10:15:25 AM   
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and still you only have deflection
Troll
Pat Robertsone has hundred of idiocies posted as the topic title suggests
RIGHT WING FAMILY VALUES
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Robertson_controversies


"Deflection"?

Hardly. The point is idiots can be found on the left and on the right. Your pointing to an idiot or two on the right and shouting "SEE? SEE?" only proves that you are either a moron, or you are a troll, or that you are both.

The deflection would be you calling me a troll

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