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Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriage Eq... - 5/23/2015 7:15:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		In a stunning result, Ireland's voters have approved a Constitutional Amendment that removes the insistence that marriage must be between a woman and a man, and made marriage gender-neutral. Early returns indicate that up to 70% of the electorate voted Yes! for marriage equality.

This result will be a huge boost towards marriage equality everywhere, as it is the first time that a majority of voters have specifically voted marriage equality in anywhere. That this happened in Ireland, for so long a quasi-theocratic conservative Catholic country that didn't have divorce until 20 years ago, is an indication of the way the wind is blowing in favour of marriage equality across the Western world.
http://www.theguardian.com/global/live/2015/may/23/counting-underway-for-irelands-referendum-on-marriage-equality

Well done Ireland - take a bow!



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RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriag... - 5/23/2015 7:19:06 AM   
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RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriag... - 5/23/2015 9:40:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		I recall there was a nation one time that would be the first to do something, because it was the right thing to do. Then the United States of America got conservatives and libertarians who fucked everything up. And keep everything as fucked up as possible, so nothing useful can get done. Of the nation's states, only fourteen remain 'hard core' anti-gay marriage; including that 'free' state known as Texas. So here in the 'States, we can fairly and rightly blame our nation not getting the title 'first nation to all gay marriage' on conservatives and libertarians (you know, the people constantly bitching about freedoms....).

However....

Congrats to Ireland, may you enjoy many good and happy moments in your future!

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RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriag... - 5/23/2015 10:31:42 AM   
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I recall there was a nation one time that would be the first to do something, because it was the right thing to do. Then the United States of America got conservatives and libertarians who fucked everything up. And keep everything as fucked up as possible, so nothing useful can get done. Of the nation's states, only fourteen remain 'hard core' anti-gay marriage; including that 'free' state known as Texas. So here in the 'States, we can fairly and rightly blame our nation not getting the title 'first nation to all gay marriage' on conservatives and libertarians (you know, the people constantly bitching about freedoms....).

However....

Congrats to Ireland, may you enjoy many good and happy moments in your future!


So, joether... If "liberals" came first... And those evil, hated conservatives are such a recent development...

Why didnt we have all of these wedge issues settled back in the 1700s. And why werent we a Marxists dictatorship from the very beginning.

?

Just curious

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RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriag... - 5/23/2015 1:33:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		maybe karl marx came over on the mayflower and Vladimir Lenin snuck into the constitutional conventions?

who would have thought the declaration of independence and the constitutions were blueprints for leftists. of course, if you can make the constitution be a "living document" and/or ignore parts of it, I suppose that's a step in that direction.

its pretty clear to me its the liberals/progressives/communists/socialists/collectivists/whatever they are calling themselves these days (with some help from big government republicans) that have screwed the country up.



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RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriag... - 5/23/2015 1:42:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sanity, Bounty: Could I politely request that you both rephrase your points? It's just that I haven't a *fucking clue* what either of you are talking about.

Many thanks.

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RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriag... - 5/23/2015 2:35:22 PM   
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RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriag... - 5/23/2015 3:06:29 PM   
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Can't you just be happy for Gay People?

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RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriag... - 5/23/2015 3:13:50 PM   
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Can't you just be happy for Gay People?



Seriously? Come on man, at the rate that gay and lesbian couples procreate, they are going to take over the world in 7 minutes.

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RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriag... - 5/23/2015 3:16:33 PM   
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Well neither do they, Peon, so unknot your shorts and don't let their noise bother you.



Im beginning to believe the emoticon sucking the pacifier is more self image than anything else. I don't think I've ever seen you post without it. One way or another, that says a lot about you.

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RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriag... - 5/23/2015 3:35:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ya know, at a recent High School reunion, the conversation - before I became rip roaring drunk - turned to religion. I revealed that I considered myself to be an agnostic bordering on being an atheist and as a result was, among other things, pro-gay marriage. This flabbergasted one woman who was now very catholic (she had been the school slut - why does it always seem to go that way?). She kept waving at the building behind us saying "but . . . but . . . you spent four years at a Catholic school!"

"It didn't take," I said.

I am pleased to see that after spending 1500 years at the ultimate Catholic school, it appears that it didn't take for the Irish either.

Good going Ireland, and congratulations.

It is my hope that the upcoming Supreme Court decision will pave the way for fully equality across all of these United States.


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RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriag... - 5/23/2015 4:39:17 PM   
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Can't you just be happy for Gay People?


I am happy for divorce lawyers. Is that not good enough

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RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriag... - 5/23/2015 4:47:57 PM   
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"Some 62% of the Irish Republic’s electorate voted in favour of gay marriage. The result means that a republic once dominated by the Catholic church ignored the instructions of its cardinals and bishops. The huge Yes vote marks another milestone in Ireland’s journey towards a more liberal, secular society."

Yep, a big and healthy majority. That gays get the right to marry is enough in itself - but this a bigger even than that. First, the Irish people were actually willing to change their Constitution to get this. Second, they put their theocrats *very* firmly in their place.

Good. :-)

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RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriag... - 5/23/2015 4:49:17 PM   
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maybe karl marx came over on the mayflower and Vladimir Lenin snuck into the constitutional conventions?

who would have thought the declaration of independence and the constitutions were blueprints for leftists. of course, if you can make the constitution be a "living document" and/or ignore parts of it, I suppose that's a step in that direction.

its pretty clear to me its the liberals/progressives/communists/socialists/collectivists/whatever they are calling themselves these days (with some help from big government republicans) that have screwed the country up.




Still having problems with political definitions then Bounty ? One day you will finally get it.

Ireland has done something wonderful. A God fearing nation has finally recognised equality in marriage, despite stiff opposition from the Church. They havent done this as most other nations have, by a decree from the Courts or a Government passing a law, but by the people deciding on what is the right thing to do.

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RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriag... - 5/23/2015 7:08:32 PM   
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maybe karl marx came over on the mayflower and Vladimir Lenin snuck into the constitutional conventions?

who would have thought the declaration of independence and the constitutions were blueprints for leftists. of course, if you can make the constitution be a "living document" and/or ignore parts of it, I suppose that's a step in that direction.

its pretty clear to me its the liberals/progressives/communists/socialists/collectivists/whatever they are calling themselves these days (with some help from big government republicans) that have screwed the country up.




Still having problems with political definitions then Bounty ? One day you will finally get it.

Ireland has done something wonderful. A God fearing nation has finally recognised equality in marriage, despite stiff opposition from the Church. They havent done this as most other nations have, by a decree from the Courts or a Government passing a law, but by the people deciding on what is the right thing to do.


In the end, the margin in favour of marriage equality was 62% yes - so the decision by the Irish people was overwhelmingly in favour of marriage equality. It was such a defeat for the forces of reaction that Dublin's Bishop declared it was time for the Church to take a "reality check". Here's hoping the church does take one.

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RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriag... - 5/23/2015 9:32:14 PM   
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Anyhow congrats for Ireland, and proud to be Irish.

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RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriag... - 5/24/2015 4:12:11 AM   
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maybe karl marx came over on the mayflower and Vladimir Lenin snuck into the constitutional conventions?

who would have thought the declaration of independence and the constitutions were blueprints for leftists. of course, if you can make the constitution be a "living document" and/or ignore parts of it, I suppose that's a step in that direction.

its pretty clear to me its the liberals/progressives/communists/socialists/collectivists/whatever they are calling themselves these days (with some help from big government republicans) that have screwed the country up.




Still having problems with political definitions then Bounty ? One day you will finally get it.

Ireland has done something wonderful. A God fearing nation has finally recognised equality in marriage, despite stiff opposition from the Church. They havent done this as most other nations have, by a decree from the Courts or a Government passing a law, but by the people deciding on what is the right thing to do.



I don't have a problem at all with them---but for the purposes of conversation in a broad general way, all "collectivists" can be lumped together.

so maybe next time I post something similar, you will consider that as opposed to unwarranted and erroneous presumption.

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RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriag... - 5/24/2015 4:31:06 AM   
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America is often behind the world in general.(look at how everyone really was uptight about Clinton getting his junk sucked in the Oval Office by his Mistress, while Italy and France laughed their asses off because it's expected there to have a Mistress) One can only think that America is such a young country in comparison to the rest of the world, that it will take some time to catch up to everywhere else. It's a good positive thing they have done. Hopefully we won't be too far behind. It's up the the Supreme Court now.

Anyhow congrats for Ireland, and proud to be Irish.



Those silly naive Americans. Expecting people to keep their promises.

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RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriag... - 5/24/2015 10:24:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LipstickLeuger

America is often behind the world in general.(look at how everyone really was uptight about Clinton getting his junk sucked in the Oval Office by his Mistress, while Italy and France laughed their asses off because it's expected there to have a Mistress) One can only think that America is such a young country in comparison to the rest of the world, that it will take some time to catch up to everywhere else. It's a good positive thing they have done. Hopefully we won't be too far behind. It's up the the Supreme Court now.

Anyhow congrats for Ireland, and proud to be Irish.


Actually, what I think upset people was that the most powerful male in the world lied about it and tried to defect the incident onto a powerless 22-year old. Something, normally, feminists would be outraged about. So, when the feminists gave a pass because he was "their" man, the outrage of the double standard compounded the general outrage. Of course when hag Hillary then tried to blame it all on a right wing conspiracy, that didn't help.

I don't think Europeans went down that little rabbit hole is perhaps why they had less outrage.

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RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriag... - 5/24/2015 10:27:09 AM   
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