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What is the Black Rose Society? - 5/25/2015 6:17:32 PM

IronicTautology

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I was told by a guy titling himself as "master" that he was trained by the "Black Rose Society" and that I should take him seriously as a "master".

WTF? Do dudes have to name themselves a member of some vague society so any all babes are up for grabs on sites like this ?

I'm far more amused by this nonsense than I am offended. Can anyone explain?

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RE: What is the Black Rose Society? - 5/25/2015 6:26:00 PM

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Anyone calling himself a master makes me laugh. What is he the master of?
Seems to be more of these guys trying to claim they've had special training to obtain this title.

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RE: What is the Black Rose Society? - 5/25/2015 6:40:13 PM

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Black Rose is a few decades old bdsm group in the DC area that was the first groups to create a TNG organization info can be found about them

http://www.br.org/br/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=23&Itemid=31

Alot of people in the tri-state area will say they are BR Certified DMs. For us in my area (Philly) This means you sat through several hours of training and worked as a DM in high risk, heavier play and can DM major events. For example many Ramblewood DO or NJ Area (Think Floating World or Brimstone) require you to be BR certified to DM.

I would ask exactly what he means by being "trained" by BR, if he means more hes done alot of the classes is a member or if he just googled pretty sounding bdsm names on the interwebs.

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RE: What is the Black Rose Society? - 5/25/2015 6:54:02 PM

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Black Rose is, or was a damn fine group...its been about 8 years since I went to an event
I agree with QK

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RE: What is the Black Rose Society? - 5/25/2015 7:27:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Black Rose is, or was a damn fine group...its been about 8 years since I went to an event
I agree with QK

Still is, its a great group of people that I dont get to see nearly enough.

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RE: What is the Black Rose Society? - 5/25/2015 7:36:07 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Black Rose is, or was a damn fine group...its been about 8 years since I went to an event
I agree with QK

Still is, its a great group of people that I dont get to see nearly enough.

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RE: What is the Black Rose Society? - 5/25/2015 8:49:26 PM

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It has been a while but...I am ALMOST positive that he is referring to Master and Slave Training (MaST weekend). The guy who has run it (Master Taino) is highly thought of and it is a well known and recognized workshop..In fact, the only time I have heard the term "training" used and not completly derided is this workshop.

Oops.. Edited to add the following - forget that not everyone is from the DMV area. Black Rose is a BDSM educational society located in DC. Has been around for apx. 30yrs. Around here, saying you are an active Black Rose member gives you credibility

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RE: What is the Black Rose Society? - 5/26/2015 4:25:48 AM

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Thanks for all the replies. I did Google The Black Rose Society but I'm still not convinced that gives some random dude on the internet the right to refer to himself as "master" in the first message. I get the impression that belonging to one of these groups gives folks the right to tell others that they're not sufficiently "kinky" if one doesn't reply in a manner the sender deems appropriate.

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RE: What is the Black Rose Society? - 5/26/2015 6:51:15 AM

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Belonging to a recognized....kinky bunch....wether its MAST TES Black Rose, etc etc in my experience, too often bullshit that a douchebag uses to give himself some street cred to act like he deserves something...Oh and that isnt just a blokes thing...weused to have a chap here who claimed he was a master because he had been to a club and met a chap who taught him to be a master...in one visit.

Dont call anyone Master/ Mistress because they demand it
Especially in a message.
thats just asking for trouble

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RE: What is the Black Rose Society? - 5/26/2015 10:29:59 AM

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Simple rule. If they have to tell you they're a Master. They're usually not any sort of Master

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RE: What is the Black Rose Society? - 5/26/2015 11:01:07 AM

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Yes. So long as romance novels remain a booming industry and BDSM erotica continues to grow there will be oceans of little nymphs that are looking for someone that aligns with the fantasy in their head and people will exploit it all they can.

Just so you know, I am the seventh son of a seventh son, of a seventh son, trained in the ancient arts of Blethatcha, the sacred discipline of Egyptian erotic slave ownership.

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RE: What is the Black Rose Society? - 5/26/2015 11:25:58 AM

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Funny. you don't look Egyptian

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RE: What is the Black Rose Society? - 5/26/2015 2:20:12 PM

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One of the really nice things about Black Rose (the DC group, anyway, don't know about any Internet "societies") is that they have a realistic, "we're all people doing what we love" view of kink, they're not the kind of group that hands out "master certifications."

MaST DC tends to be a little more old school (and a lot more Old Guard), and while they do use certain protocols within the group, I can't imagine them having much patience for someone who walks up to a stranger with the whole "on ur knes, slav" mindset.

If he's pulling that crap, he's not doing it with their blessing, so please don't judge the groups by this guy, or people like him. ~smiles~

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RE: What is the Black Rose Society? - 5/26/2015 3:01:52 PM

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Theres a difference between saying Im a BR certified DM, and saying I is mazters becauses of.

Saying you are a BR Certified DM, means something to at least the people involved in the scene around here... Im more likely to play with a person if theyve done these classes because they tend to weed out the stupid and lazy, and I like super heavy play, so someone who knows what to look for with a scene like this going bad, is kinda a plus in my book.

Seeing as we dont know the context of what he said we really cant say if hes being a douche nozzle or not.

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RE: What is the Black Rose Society? - 5/26/2015 4:09:21 PM

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When a doctor introduces himself as one, I don't see it as being any different than anyone else using their title. That doesn't mean some random nettard calling himself Master so & so isn't a fool. Hell, I worked in clinics for about 10 years and met a lot of doctors that were assholes. But I do not automatically presume everyone that says they are a doctor is an asshole.

Some like to use their title, some don't... it's a formality, protocol. It is more likely that someone from Black Rose using the term Master is sincere about protocol than someone from castle realm or CollarMe for that matter.

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RE: What is the Black Rose Society? - 5/26/2015 4:47:40 PM

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I'm a member of a local MaST chapter and our acronym stands for: (M)asters (a)nd (S)laves (T)ogether . So, that's another interpretation.

I've never heard that the "T" stood for "training" (and I probably wouldn't belong, if I had). Training is what I do with my puppy (Look down).

Michael

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RE: What is the Black Rose Society? - 5/26/2015 5:58:14 PM

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I'm a member of a local MaST chapter and our acronym stands for: (M)asters (a)nd (S)laves (T)ogether . So, that's another interpretation.

I've never heard that the "T" stood for "training" (and I probably wouldn't belong, if I had). Training is what I do with my puppy (Look down).

Michael

Adorable puppy is adorable, dear gods I want to hug it and squeeze it and call it George

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RE: What is the Black Rose Society? - 5/26/2015 7:00:25 PM

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Adorable puppy is adorable, dear gods I want to hug it and squeeze it and call it George

For those that are old enough; I knew that I would only ever call him one thing. People were breaking my balls, telling me I had to give him a "real" name (There's wun-twue-way-ers, everywhere, I guess).

So, I thought about what would make sense with what I knew I would always call him while maintaining my sense of humor and lack of imagination and remembering that I'm a writer, by trade.

Therefore, I present: "Harrold Robbins (H.R.) Puppenstuff"; known to all of his friends as: "Puppy"

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RE: What is the Black Rose Society? - 5/26/2015 7:26:44 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Dont call anyone Master/ Mistress because they demand it
Especially in a message.
thats just asking for trouble

Agreed, but kind of tricky when it's part of their appellation. The difference is when there's common nomenclature usage, but not as a specifically personal or stand-alone honorific. If you or I referred to another Domme as "Mistress So-and-So" because that's how she's called, and we're not yet on nickname terms with her, this doesn't mean we're saying that she is OUR Mistress.

There are Dommes who go by "Goddess ___," and one does want to drop the titular reference and address them by surname, because it feels uncomfortable (for me) to get into that whole Goddess business which reeks of deified Female Supremacy. If a Dom went by "Lord ___," I would feel the same.

Now, if I were introduced to Queen Latifah, it would be understood that she is not a queen and certainly not MY Queen, but neither would I address her as just Queen. However, before Prince became The Artist, that was his solitary name and did not signify that he was a bona fide royal prince.

Just saying.

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ORIGINAL: ChrchofDrk

Simple rule. If they have to tell you they're a Master. They're usually not any sort of Master

Very simple rule. They're not your Master or your Mistress until they take you under consideration of ownership, to which you have willingly consented.

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RE: What is the Black Rose Society? - 5/26/2015 7:46:50 PM

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I know we have discussed this workshop series..before so I went back through the postings and jogged my memory. First, I was wrong. It is not the MaST and I don't think it is officially a Black Rose group. Master Taino is heavily involved in BR so it may be that most people just mentally put it together (he is also a member here or was. ). He is more of the "traditional leather" group and his teaching/workshops are more focused on that...so,if you are interested in that and are looking for a leather counterpart...then someone who had taken the time to learn and meet others...would probably be a good bet. He also holds a bunch of workshops and many of them are or were held at BR meetings which is another reason he is well known. I think he started up in late 90s, early 2000 which means most people around here have seen him or heard about his workshops, training weekends.

When I FIRST was trying to learn about BDSM (had no clue what "leather", "protocol", "Gorean"..were) I had looked into his Slave Training Academy but...protocol is NOT my thing (there is a "formal dinner service" & "high protocol" along with a bunch of psych type sessions...What can I say? I am here just for the sex part :). Here is the info about the academy:

"MTTA Academy is a program offered by MTTA, Inc., a 501c3 non-profit educational organization. The Academy’s goal is to help the participants find their heart and spirit through education and interaction. The programs are designed to give a real time experience of the Master/slave lifestyle by the incorporation of protocols and service aspects, along with the many classes of various topics. We strive to set an atmosphere that not only allows for the exploration of the Master/slave lifestyle, but one that promotes self-exploration as well.Both the slave training and the Master training programs are aimed at those who have little or no experience in BDSM and Master/slave relationships, those who are struggling to define their true feelings and identity as slaves or Masters, submissives or dominants, as well as those with some experience but who are interested in learning the “ropes” in a safe, and caring environment.

Throughout the weekend in all of the programs, sexual activity is not permitted among any participant, staff, or faculty member.

The Training Weekend Program — dedicated to the memory of Master Taíno’s late slave tommy — is a family event. Master Taíno is joined by his slaves as well as other members of his immediate and extended family that volunteer as faculty members or staff, as well as Board members of MTTA and other volunteers.

An excellent and experienced group of local Masters and slaves complete the faculty of the training program."

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