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Aylee -> Free Speech (5/25/2015 8:17:18 PM)

Remember the thread with the sweet little boy stepping on the flag?

Yeah, well, it turns out that he may not be so sweet after all.

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Eric Sheppard, the Valdosta State University student who was confronted last month by an Air Force veteran after he stomped on the American flag, has issued a violent 4,700-word anti-white rant in which he threatened to “annihilate those who come after me.”

Sheppard is wanted by police after they found a gun in his backpack days after the flag-stomping demonstration. In his lengthy letter, submitted to The Valdosta Daily Times this week, Sheppard said he will not surrender and will use violence if necessary. . . .

Quoting former Nation of Islam leader and New Black Panther Party chairman, Kallid Abdul Muhammad, Sheppard wrote of whites, “we give them 24 hours to get out of town by sundown.”

“I say, if they don’t get out of town, we kill the white men, we kill the white women, we kill the white children, we kill the white babies, we kill the blind whites, we kill the crippled whites, we kill the crazy whites, we kill the faggots, we kill the lesbians, I say god dammit we kill ’em all,” Sheppard continued.

“If they are white kill ‘em all.” . . .

According to The Daily Times, Brian Childress, the Valdosta chief of police, believes that Sheppard’s video is a publicity stunt. Nevertheless, he contacted federal authorities about the threats.


http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/23/valdosta-state-student-who-stomped-us-flag-wants-to-kill-all-white-people/

I would count this type of thing as bullying and intimidation.

Ya know, if'n a white guy had said that about blacks...why, it woulda been called Hate speech.

Bets on charging him with a hate crime?

Any one?

No one?






BamaD -> RE: Free Speech (5/25/2015 8:21:06 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee

Remember the thread with the sweet little boy stepping on the flag?

Yeah, well, it turns out that he may not be so sweet after all.

quote:

Eric Sheppard, the Valdosta State University student who was confronted last month by an Air Force veteran after he stomped on the American flag, has issued a violent 4,700-word anti-white rant in which he threatened to “annihilate those who come after me.”

Sheppard is wanted by police after they found a gun in his backpack days after the flag-stomping demonstration. In his lengthy letter, submitted to The Valdosta Daily Times this week, Sheppard said he will not surrender and will use violence if necessary. . . .

Quoting former Nation of Islam leader and New Black Panther Party chairman, Kallid Abdul Muhammad, Sheppard wrote of whites, “we give them 24 hours to get out of town by sundown.”

“I say, if they don’t get out of town, we kill the white men, we kill the white women, we kill the white children, we kill the white babies, we kill the blind whites, we kill the crippled whites, we kill the crazy whites, we kill the faggots, we kill the lesbians, I say god dammit we kill ’em all,” Sheppard continued.

“If they are white kill ‘em all.” . . .

According to The Daily Times, Brian Childress, the Valdosta chief of police, believes that Sheppard’s video is a publicity stunt. Nevertheless, he contacted federal authorities about the threats.


http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/23/valdosta-state-student-who-stomped-us-flag-wants-to-kill-all-white-people/

I would count this type of thing as bullying and intimidation.

Ya know, if'n a white guy had said that about blacks...why, it woulda been called Hate speech.

Bets on charging him with a hate crime?

Any one?

No one?




Not even if he acts on it.




Sanity -> RE: Free Speech (5/25/2015 8:31:35 PM)


Could it be that I am a prophet









tweakabelle -> RE: Free Speech (5/25/2015 9:12:55 PM)

Only in your own mind Sanity.

Which would make you a very tiny prophet indeed .......




HunterCA -> RE: Free Speech (5/25/2015 10:30:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Only in your own mind Sanity.

Which would make you a very tiny prophet indeed .......


Oh the hate. But you just don't see that do you? The hate is so deep.




CreativeDominant -> RE: Free Speech (5/25/2015 10:59:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Only in your own mind Sanity.

Which would make you a very tiny prophet indeed .......


And yet...turns out he was right.




joether -> RE: Free Speech (5/25/2015 11:21:34 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee
Remember the thread with the sweet little boy stepping on the flag?

Yeah, well, it turns out that he may not be so sweet after all.

quote:

Eric Sheppard, the Valdosta State University student who was confronted last month by an Air Force veteran after he stomped on the American flag, has issued a violent 4,700-word anti-white rant in which he threatened to “annihilate those who come after me.”

Sheppard is wanted by police after they found a gun in his backpack days after the flag-stomping demonstration. In his lengthy letter, submitted to The Valdosta Daily Times this week, Sheppard said he will not surrender and will use violence if necessary. . . .

Quoting former Nation of Islam leader and New Black Panther Party chairman, Kallid Abdul Muhammad, Sheppard wrote of whites, “we give them 24 hours to get out of town by sundown.”

“I say, if they don’t get out of town, we kill the white men, we kill the white women, we kill the white children, we kill the white babies, we kill the blind whites, we kill the crippled whites, we kill the crazy whites, we kill the faggots, we kill the lesbians, I say god dammit we kill ’em all,” Sheppard continued.

“If they are white kill ‘em all.” . . .

According to The Daily Times, Brian Childress, the Valdosta chief of police, believes that Sheppard’s video is a publicity stunt. Nevertheless, he contacted federal authorities about the threats.


http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/23/valdosta-state-student-who-stomped-us-flag-wants-to-kill-all-white-people/

I would count this type of thing as bullying and intimidation.

Ya know, if'n a white guy had said that about blacks...why, it woulda been called Hate speech.

Bets on charging him with a hate crime?

Any one?

No one?


The two concepts are not related. Someone flies a flag in their life and then wants to kill someone; try some of the more hard core Tea Partiers after they get alittle drunk. I suspect that the person has been harassed and threaten. Feeling 'back to the wall' and 'surrounded on all sides', one doesn't have anything to lose but death and destruction. Sad thing is, those doing all the threats will sink back into the shadows; why should they be responsibility if this guy goes postal?

Its like walking up to someone and punching them in the face; they will punch back. But that's not the case here. It would be like one person sucker punching someone than pointing out someone nearby did it. However, the recently punched individual pulls out a gun and kills the person (whom was completely innocent). Would you feel guilt, shame, horror, or even a tad responsible?

....nope.....

That's the viewpoint I get from you. Completely without emotion. Yet, that is not true, since you created this thread. You have some emotion to the flag being walked on (which the courts have pointed out is legal and within the 1st). And you have some emotion towards this individual threatening violence. Yet, you were one of the ones more than happy to attack this individual.

You don't seen to have any compassion or empathy here. Which makes 'joy for your fellow citizens to enjoy their rights' seem hollow and absent.

As for it being 'hate speech'? What are we defining as 'hate speech'? Yes the words are violent and offensive; but then again, so is some of the more outlandish stuff out of the NRA. Recall that Sarah Palin once put 'gunsight' markers on democrats. And plenty of other conservatives and libertarians after that person.

There are plenty whom hate President Obama on the right. In fact, some of the regulars on here have stated so many times. Should we throw them in jail too? Defining their sentence as 'Hate Crime' related? There have been times when well known individuals in the political spotlight have been...'alittle'.....violent and offensive towards the President. To which they get a 'face to face' visit from the Secret Service soon afterward.

Which is what is taking place in this case. The legal authorities are trying to track the individual down and obtain an understanding of the real situation. Just having the materials and a hatred for someone is not enough to arrest them (unless the material is illegal). There has to be a motive. That's what keeps many gun nuts from being arrested in America. At the end of the day, those folks dislike the President, but not nearly enough to see him harmed; there's always the next election!




DaddySatyr -> RE: Free Speech (5/25/2015 11:24:00 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee

I would count this type of thing as bullying and intimidation.

Ya know, if'n a white guy had said that about blacks...why, it woulda been called Hate speech.

Bets on charging him with a hate crime?

Any one?

No one?



I can only swear to this being true in two states (and it has been a few years since I've checked) but in the ones I am aware of, the "Hate Crimes" laws are written so as to preclude a crime against a person of European descent possibly being a victim of a "hate crime".

So, I'm confident that this poor, misunderstood, freedom fighter won't be charged with a "Hate Crime".

Of course, since he's threatened anyone that comes after him (That's pronounced: "Law Enforcement" for those of you in Poughkeepsie), they would be justified in cuffing a corpse, in my mind.



Michael




joether -> RE: Free Speech (5/25/2015 11:28:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Only in your own mind Sanity.

Which would make you a very tiny prophet indeed .......


And yet...turns out he was right.


Even a broken clock is right twice a day!




KenDckey -> RE: Free Speech (5/26/2015 12:47:06 AM)

At best he has already comitted Assault (legal stuff for not hitting anyone yet - that would be battery). How many counts? Depends on how many people fit the statement made.

Will it be prosecuted as a hate crime? Not even if he attempts to carry out the assault in any manner. That would be considered a hate crime by rev al et all and there would be riots in the streets.

If he went to court and was convicted would he go to jail? Maybe, probably not. If he went to jail he would run into others who would protect the flag and then there are the "white" gangs in there. Doubt he would survive long without being in the infermery.

The above is my 2 cents.

[image][/image] OK someone is gonna have to teach me how to post the pic of my 2 cent coin LOL




KenDckey -> RE: Free Speech (5/26/2015 2:12:32 AM)

Sorta Related to the topic The Baltimore prosecutor is wanting a gag order because the lawyers of one of the six defendents talked to the media and the remaining did not. The Prosecutor herself talked for 21 minutes. No right of rebuttal is allowed it appears to me.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/boom-prosecutor-of-baltimore-six-utterly-destroyed-as-disastrous-two-bit-political-hack/

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/05/15/us/ap-us-baltimore-police-death-motion-.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/baltimore-prosecutors-want-gag-order-in-freddie-gray-case/

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/national/general/story/2015/may/16/baltimore-prosecutors-freddie-gray-case-seek/304652/




Sanity -> RE: Free Speech (5/26/2015 8:10:12 AM)


FR

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A terroristic threat is a crime generally involving a threat to commit violence communicated with the intent to terrorize another, to cause evacuation of a building, or to cause serious public inconvenience, in reckless disregard of the risk of causing such terror or inconvenience. It may mean an offense against property or involving danger to another person that may include but is not limited to recklessly endangering another person, harassment, stalking, ethnic intimidation, and criminal mischief.

http://definitions.uslegal.com/t/terroristic-threat/




kdsub -> RE: Free Speech (5/26/2015 8:23:49 AM)

Aylee I believe you are missing the point in this... Just the fact that this man or boy felt compelled and entitled to say and do the things he did should be the story not the actual deed.

His actions are a symptom of a disease in American society that needs to be addressed and healed... not ignored or condemned because it offends our sensibilities.

Butch




Aylee -> RE: Free Speech (5/26/2015 9:23:53 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

Aylee I believe you are missing the point in this... Just the fact that this man or boy felt compelled and entitled to say and do the things he did should be the story not the actual deed.

His actions are a symptom of a disease in American society that needs to be addressed and healed... not ignored or condemned because it offends our sensibilities.

Butch


So. . . calling for all white people's deaths, carrying a gun into a "gun free" zone, evading police, threatening any police that come after him. . . that is all okay?

His parents have even called for him to peacefully surrender himself.

It is not that he is offensive. He is dangerous.




joether -> RE: Free Speech (5/26/2015 9:28:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

At best he has already comitted Assault (legal stuff for not hitting anyone yet - that would be battery). How many counts? Depends on how many people fit the statement made.

Will it be prosecuted as a hate crime? Not even if he attempts to carry out the assault in any manner. That would be considered a hate crime by rev al et all and there would be riots in the streets.

If he went to court and was convicted would he go to jail? Maybe, probably not. If he went to jail he would run into others who would protect the flag and then there are the "white" gangs in there. Doubt he would survive long without being in the infermery.

The above is my 2 cents.

[image][/image] OK someone is gonna have to teach me how to post the pic of my 2 cent coin LOL


At best the guy has spoken word of a threatening manner and nothing more. There are plenty of people that have spoken such words in fits of anger. That their anger originates from many sources. None of them have been locked up. If we start locking up thought who make threatening statements, 25 million conservatives would be in jail right now! Clive Bundy and his followers come to mind as a great example. An those miners in the southwest of Oregan as well. We have the KKK, The Order, and even some local NRA chapters that have stated things that could be taken as threatening.

How about all the pseudo-Christians whom make threats to gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgender? They make plenty of statements during each year for twenty years now. Everything from discriminating them is 'OK', to killing them. Not once seen any conservatives that feel this behavior is wrong. Might be why people are leaving the religion....

How about hate crimes charged to these people?

So some guy who is dark skin walked on the American flag, then goes on a tirade of threats; should get charged not just with Assault but any and all hate crimes. Yes, according to the white conservative and libertarian population we should punish just the non-whites when they over-step the rules; we should 'not' have liberty and law apply across the board....





BamaD -> RE: Free Speech (5/26/2015 9:34:38 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

Aylee I believe you are missing the point in this... Just the fact that this man or boy felt compelled and entitled to say and do the things he did should be the story not the actual deed.

His actions are a symptom of a disease in American society that needs to be addressed and healed... not ignored or condemned because it offends our sensibilities.

Butch

There have been a number of people arrested for making threats on the internet.




joether -> RE: Free Speech (5/26/2015 9:42:49 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub
Aylee I believe you are missing the point in this... Just the fact that this man or boy felt compelled and entitled to say and do the things he did should be the story not the actual deed.

His actions are a symptom of a disease in American society that needs to be addressed and healed... not ignored or condemned because it offends our sensibilities.

Butch

There have been a number of people arrested for making threats on the internet.


An thereby just proved kdsub's point....




BamaD -> RE: Free Speech (5/26/2015 10:18:55 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: joether


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub
Aylee I believe you are missing the point in this... Just the fact that this man or boy felt compelled and entitled to say and do the things he did should be the story not the actual deed.

His actions are a symptom of a disease in American society that needs to be addressed and healed... not ignored or condemned because it offends our sensibilities.

Butch

There have been a number of people arrested for making threats on the internet.


An thereby just proved kdsub's point....

Except that it doesn't prove American society is sick, it proves he is.




JVoV -> RE: Free Speech (5/26/2015 11:39:15 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


FR

quote:

A terroristic threat is a crime generally involving a threat to commit violence communicated with the intent to terrorize another, to cause evacuation of a building, or to cause serious public inconvenience, in reckless disregard of the risk of causing such terror or inconvenience. It may mean an offense against property or involving danger to another person that may include but is not limited to recklessly endangering another person, harassment, stalking, ethnic intimidation, and criminal mischief.

http://definitions.uslegal.com/t/terroristic-threat/



Agreed. Terrorism should be the charge.




kdsub -> RE: Free Speech (5/26/2015 1:02:15 PM)

Again not the point... it is just not him that has been radicalized... it is many thousands perhaps hundreds of thousands in the totality of the US. Do you think it will help to address his transgressions and ignore all the rest? He is not the problem alone.

Butch




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