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DaddySatyr -> RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? (6/5/2015 7:28:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV I really hope Hillary starts talking to the press soon. Before they just abandon her. She won't talk to the press until she/her team develop answers to questions that even the liberal press are starting to ask. Until she comes up with some plausible answers (Not necessarily "true"; just plausible), any conversation she has with the press will not be very comfortable. Yesterday, there was a reporter saying that her team sent a memo to the press saying (I'm paraphrasing): "There will be no inter-action with the press. The speech will serve as Ms. Clinton's interview". Either Hillary/her team believe that a one-sided diatribe is an "interview" or they really are just stone-walling and don't even have a plausible reason for the stone-wall. One way or another, the press is going to start abandoning her (I think it may already be happening) because someone who wants to paint themselves as the "American every person" isn't going to get it done from an ivory tower. Michael

Lucylastic -> RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? (6/5/2015 7:48:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV I really hope Hillary starts talking to the press soon. Before they just abandon her. She has already taken a punch with it...but the timing is too obvious...no mattter when she decides to , she will be front and center. Unless someone else takes her moment of "glory" shes the front runner, rightly or wrongly. She has lots of time .The dem debates are gonna be boring as hell with the cache of republican candidates still doing their thing, and the clinton "scandals" not letting up...she still has time to pull something out of her sleeve, good or bad...its no secret that the delay of the Benghazi "investigation release is so close to the actual election, I would assume she is gonna counter it with something. Its a long time between now and then.... fun times

Lucylastic -> RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? (6/5/2015 7:54:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV I really hope Hillary starts talking to the press soon. Before they just abandon her. She won't talk to the press until she/her team develop answers to questions that even the liberal press are starting to ask. Until she comes up with some plausible answers (Not necessarily "true"; just plausible), any conversation she has with the press will not be very comfortable. Yesterday, there was a reporter saying that her team sent a memo to the press saying (I'm paraphrasing): "There will be no inter-action with the press. The speech will serve as Ms. Clinton's interview". Either Hillary/her team believe that a one-sided diatribe is an "interview" or they really are just stone-walling and don't even have a plausible reason for the stone-wall. One way or another, the press is going to start abandoning her (I think it may already be happening) because someone who wants to paint themselves as the "American every person" isn't going to get it done from an ivory tower. Michael I know you wont see this, but im posting it anyway I agree with your first two sentences... As far as the non interview with the press goes, she is hardly the first to do it, on either side...But as the front runner she will be news. Again. for better or worse.

HunterCA -> RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? (6/5/2015 1:30:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV I really hope Hillary starts talking to the press soon. Before they just abandon her. She won't talk to the press until she/her team develop answers to questions that even the liberal press are starting to ask. Until she comes up with some plausible answers (Not necessarily "true"; just plausible), any conversation she has with the press will not be very comfortable. Yesterday, there was a reporter saying that her team sent a memo to the press saying (I'm paraphrasing): "There will be no inter-action with the press. The speech will serve as Ms. Clinton's interview". Either Hillary/her team believe that a one-sided diatribe is an "interview" or they really are just stone-walling and don't even have a plausible reason for the stone-wall. One way or another, the press is going to start abandoning her (I think it may already be happening) because someone who wants to paint themselves as the "American every person" isn't going to get it done from an ivory tower. Michael I know you wont see this, but im posting it anyway I agree with your first two sentences... As far as the non interview with the press goes, she is hardly the first to do it, on either side...But as the front runner she will be news. Again. for better or worse. Really, who else is running a political campaign by "non interview with the press"?

Sanity -> RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? (6/5/2015 1:37:51 PM)
Any major conservative candidate who was as scandal-plagued and bunkered in as Hillary, would be eviscerated every day by an ever growing howling cacophony of media outlets Think Richard Nixon, for example

BamaD -> RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? (6/5/2015 1:39:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV I really hope Hillary starts talking to the press soon. Before they just abandon her. She won't talk to the press until she/her team develop answers to questions that even the liberal press are starting to ask. Until she comes up with some plausible answers (Not necessarily "true"; just plausible), any conversation she has with the press will not be very comfortable. Yesterday, there was a reporter saying that her team sent a memo to the press saying (I'm paraphrasing): "There will be no inter-action with the press. The speech will serve as Ms. Clinton's interview". Either Hillary/her team believe that a one-sided diatribe is an "interview" or they really are just stone-walling and don't even have a plausible reason for the stone-wall. One way or another, the press is going to start abandoning her (I think it may already be happening) because someone who wants to paint themselves as the "American every person" isn't going to get it done from an ivory tower. Michael I know you wont see this, but im posting it anyway I agree with your first two sentences... As far as the non interview with the press goes, she is hardly the first to do it, on either side...But as the front runner she will be news. Again. for better or worse. Really, who else is running a political campaign by "non interview with the press"? Last time that worked was Grover Cleveland.

MasterJaguar01 -> RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? (6/5/2015 7:56:56 PM)
Kudos to Hilary for calling BS on voter suppression laws! (Doesn't make her a good candidate... But kudos anyway!) I feel blessed to live in a state free of vote-rigging legislators. Voting in my part of Washington is a joy. I get my ballot in the mail. I fill it out over coffee, drop it in a box near the fire station weeks before election day (don't even need to get out of my car!), and I even get an email receipt that my ballot is received and counted!

BamaD -> RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? (6/5/2015 8:16:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 Kudos to Hilary for calling BS on voter suppression laws! (Doesn't make her a good candidate... But kudos anyway!) I feel blessed to live in a state free of vote-rigging legislators. Voting in my part of Washington is a joy. I get my ballot in the mail. I fill it out over coffee, drop it in a box near the fire station weeks before election day (don't even need to get out of my car!), and I even get an email receipt that my ballot is received and counted! Kudos to Hillary for speaking out for the right to vote for all those dead people in Chicago and the illegals she needs to win. So you don't care if someone votes illegally as long as it is convenient for you.

HunterCA -> RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? (6/5/2015 8:26:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 Kudos to Hilary for calling BS on voter suppression laws! (Doesn't make her a good candidate... But kudos anyway!) I feel blessed to live in a state free of vote-rigging legislators. Voting in my part of Washington is a joy. I get my ballot in the mail. I fill it out over coffee, drop it in a box near the fire station weeks before election day (don't even need to get out of my car!), and I even get an email receipt that my ballot is received and counted! So,,what I'm familiar with, and I may be wrong, in those states that have made it a requirement to have voter ID, the state also issues a free ID at the DMV. How would that be suppression? Is it your contention that going to the DMV for a free ID suppresses votes? Please provide a link. Because, on the radio today, so I don't have a link, it seems when voter ID laws have been implemented voter percentages have increased. Are you talking out of your ass again?

subrob1967 -> RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? (6/5/2015 8:41:31 PM)
Fortunately every voter id law that has been challenged in court, the law has won. Hillary can lie all she wants, it won't matter to the 34 states that have laws on the books.

MasterJaguar01 -> RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? (6/5/2015 8:53:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 Kudos to Hilary for calling BS on voter suppression laws! (Doesn't make her a good candidate... But kudos anyway!) I feel blessed to live in a state free of vote-rigging legislators. Voting in my part of Washington is a joy. I get my ballot in the mail. I fill it out over coffee, drop it in a box near the fire station weeks before election day (don't even need to get out of my car!), and I even get an email receipt that my ballot is received and counted! So,,what I'm familiar with, and I may be wrong, in those states that have made it a requirement to have voter ID, the state also issues a free ID at the DMV. How would that be suppression? Is it your contention that going to the DMV for a free ID suppresses votes? Please provide a link. Because, on the radio today, so I don't have a link, it seems when voter ID laws have been implemented voter percentages have increased. Are you talking out of your ass again? 1) Voter suppression takes more forms than voter ID (e.g. eliminating early voting, reducing polling places in non-Republican areas, (and reducing voting machines, or installing faulty machines) 2) Laws and rules vary from state-to-state. NC offers a "No-Fee" ID, provided you have a couple of a whole list of documents, some of which cost $$$ to get: http://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/driver/id/#VoterID 3) Of course, another tactic is: When a woman shows up with her drivers license, it may have her married name, while the name on her voter reg is her maiden name, and she is denied the right to vote. Ken Blackwell openly bragged about how he won Ohio for Bush when he was thinking about running for Governor of Ohio. Of course he served a dual role as Ohio Secretary State and state co-chair of the committee to re-elect Bush. No conflict there of course. He used every tactic outlined in #1 above. And voter TURNOUT definitely increases in states with Voter ID. The problem is: Votes that actually COUNT goes way down. Take Texas for example: http://thinkprogress.org/election/2014/11/05/3588243/texas-voter-issues-recap/ Thanks to the ironically named Bush gem: "Help America Vote Act". Instead of being turned away, you get to fill out a Provisional Ballot, which very often ends up in the round file

BamaD -> RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? (6/5/2015 8:56:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 Kudos to Hilary for calling BS on voter suppression laws! (Doesn't make her a good candidate... But kudos anyway!) I feel blessed to live in a state free of vote-rigging legislators. Voting in my part of Washington is a joy. I get my ballot in the mail. I fill it out over coffee, drop it in a box near the fire station weeks before election day (don't even need to get out of my car!), and I even get an email receipt that my ballot is received and counted! So,,what I'm familiar with, and I may be wrong, in those states that have made it a requirement to have voter ID, the state also issues a free ID at the DMV. How would that be suppression? Is it your contention that going to the DMV for a free ID suppresses votes? Please provide a link. Because, on the radio today, so I don't have a link, it seems when voter ID laws have been implemented voter percentages have increased. Are you talking out of your ass again? 1) Voter suppression takes more forms than voter ID (e.g. eliminating early voting, reducing polling places in non-Republican areas, (and reducing voting machines, or installing faulty machines) 2) Laws and rules vary from state-to-state. NC offers a "No-Fee" ID, provided you have a couple of a whole list of documents, some of which cost $$$ to get: http://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/driver/id/#VoterID 3) Of course, another tactic is: When a woman shows up with her drivers license, it may have her married name, while the name on her voter reg is her maiden name, and she is denied the right to vote. Ken Blackwell openly bragged about how he won Ohio for Bush when he was thinking about running for Governor of Ohio. Of course he served a dual role as Ohio Secretary State and state co-chair of the committee to re-elect Bush. No conflict there of course. He used every tactic outlined in #1 above. And voter TURNOUT definitely increases in states with Voter ID. The problem is: Votes that actually COUNT goes way down. Take Texas for example: http://thinkprogress.org/election/2014/11/05/3588243/texas-voter-issues-recap/ Thanks to the ironically named Bush gem: "Help America Vote Act". Instead of being turned away, you get to fill out a Provisional Ballot, which very often ends up in the round file When it turns out that it wasn't cast by a invalid voter.

MasterJaguar01 -> RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? (6/5/2015 8:58:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 Fortunately every voter id law that has been challenged in court, the law has won. Hillary can lie all she wants, it won't matter to the 34 states that have laws on the books. Hmmmm http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/10/us/politics/supreme-court-blocks-wisconsin-voter-id-law.html?_r=0

MasterJaguar01 -> RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? (6/5/2015 8:59:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 Kudos to Hilary for calling BS on voter suppression laws! (Doesn't make her a good candidate... But kudos anyway!) I feel blessed to live in a state free of vote-rigging legislators. Voting in my part of Washington is a joy. I get my ballot in the mail. I fill it out over coffee, drop it in a box near the fire station weeks before election day (don't even need to get out of my car!), and I even get an email receipt that my ballot is received and counted! So,,what I'm familiar with, and I may be wrong, in those states that have made it a requirement to have voter ID, the state also issues a free ID at the DMV. How would that be suppression? Is it your contention that going to the DMV for a free ID suppresses votes? Please provide a link. Because, on the radio today, so I don't have a link, it seems when voter ID laws have been implemented voter percentages have increased. Are you talking out of your ass again? 1) Voter suppression takes more forms than voter ID (e.g. eliminating early voting, reducing polling places in non-Republican areas, (and reducing voting machines, or installing faulty machines) 2) Laws and rules vary from state-to-state. NC offers a "No-Fee" ID, provided you have a couple of a whole list of documents, some of which cost $$$ to get: http://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/driver/id/#VoterID 3) Of course, another tactic is: When a woman shows up with her drivers license, it may have her married name, while the name on her voter reg is her maiden name, and she is denied the right to vote. Ken Blackwell openly bragged about how he won Ohio for Bush when he was thinking about running for Governor of Ohio. Of course he served a dual role as Ohio Secretary State and state co-chair of the committee to re-elect Bush. No conflict there of course. He used every tactic outlined in #1 above. And voter TURNOUT definitely increases in states with Voter ID. The problem is: Votes that actually COUNT goes way down. Take Texas for example: http://thinkprogress.org/election/2014/11/05/3588243/texas-voter-issues-recap/ Thanks to the ironically named Bush gem: "Help America Vote Act". Instead of being turned away, you get to fill out a Provisional Ballot, which very often ends up in the round file When it turns out that it wasn't cast by a invalid voter. Defined by: "Non Republican-voting" voter

HunterCA -> RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? (6/5/2015 9:03:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 Kudos to Hilary for calling BS on voter suppression laws! (Doesn't make her a good candidate... But kudos anyway!) I feel blessed to live in a state free of vote-rigging legislators. Voting in my part of Washington is a joy. I get my ballot in the mail. I fill it out over coffee, drop it in a box near the fire station weeks before election day (don't even need to get out of my car!), and I even get an email receipt that my ballot is received and counted! So,,what I'm familiar with, and I may be wrong, in those states that have made it a requirement to have voter ID, the state also issues a free ID at the DMV. How would that be suppression? Is it your contention that going to the DMV for a free ID suppresses votes? Please provide a link. Because, on the radio today, so I don't have a link, it seems when voter ID laws have been implemented voter percentages have increased. Are you talking out of your ass again? 1) Voter suppression takes more forms than voter ID (e.g. eliminating early voting, reducing polling places in non-Republican areas, (and reducing voting machines, or installing faulty machines) 2) Laws and rules vary from state-to-state. NC offers a "No-Fee" ID, provided you have a couple of a whole list of documents, some of which cost $$$ to get: http://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/driver/id/#VoterID 3) Of course, another tactic is: When a woman shows up with her drivers license, it may have her married name, while the name on her voter reg is her maiden name, and she is denied the right to vote. Ken Blackwell openly bragged about how he won Ohio for Bush when he was thinking about running for Governor of Ohio. Of course he served a dual role as Ohio Secretary State and state co-chair of the committee to re-elect Bush. No conflict there of course. He used every tactic outlined in #1 above. And voter TURNOUT definitely increases in states with Voter ID. The problem is: Votes that actually COUNT goes way down. Take Texas for example: http://thinkprogress.org/election/2014/11/05/3588243/texas-voter-issues-recap/ Thanks to the ironically named Bush gem: "Help America Vote Act". Instead of being turned away, you get to fill out a Provisional Ballot, which very often ends up in the round file Okay I'll grant those things. All I want is voter ID. i have no problem with early voting. I vote by mail as you do. Who the hell cares when the vote is cast as long as it goes in a carefully regulated pile for counting on election night. Actually, I think the provisional vote is reasonable if you can't ID yourself. If they're ending up in the round file, it shows the system worked and the voter couldn't or wouldn't establish ID. I'Ve not read your fewer polling places problem. So, just playing the Devils advocate, if we're trying to leave out minority votes, we've already, after Fergusaon and Baltimore, learned that most of those sorts of places are run by Democrats, why would you suppose Democrats are putting in fewer polling places?

HunterCA -> RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? (6/5/2015 9:04:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 Kudos to Hilary for calling BS on voter suppression laws! (Doesn't make her a good candidate... But kudos anyway!) I feel blessed to live in a state free of vote-rigging legislators. Voting in my part of Washington is a joy. I get my ballot in the mail. I fill it out over coffee, drop it in a box near the fire station weeks before election day (don't even need to get out of my car!), and I even get an email receipt that my ballot is received and counted! So,,what I'm familiar with, and I may be wrong, in those states that have made it a requirement to have voter ID, the state also issues a free ID at the DMV. How would that be suppression? Is it your contention that going to the DMV for a free ID suppresses votes? Please provide a link. Because, on the radio today, so I don't have a link, it seems when voter ID laws have been implemented voter percentages have increased. Are you talking out of your ass again? 1) Voter suppression takes more forms than voter ID (e.g. eliminating early voting, reducing polling places in non-Republican areas, (and reducing voting machines, or installing faulty machines) 2) Laws and rules vary from state-to-state. NC offers a "No-Fee" ID, provided you have a couple of a whole list of documents, some of which cost $$$ to get: http://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/driver/id/#VoterID 3) Of course, another tactic is: When a woman shows up with her drivers license, it may have her married name, while the name on her voter reg is her maiden name, and she is denied the right to vote. Ken Blackwell openly bragged about how he won Ohio for Bush when he was thinking about running for Governor of Ohio. Of course he served a dual role as Ohio Secretary State and state co-chair of the committee to re-elect Bush. No conflict there of course. He used every tactic outlined in #1 above. And voter TURNOUT definitely increases in states with Voter ID. The problem is: Votes that actually COUNT goes way down. Take Texas for example: http://thinkprogress.org/election/2014/11/05/3588243/texas-voter-issues-recap/ Thanks to the ironically named Bush gem: "Help America Vote Act". Instead of being turned away, you get to fill out a Provisional Ballot, which very often ends up in the round file When it turns out that it wasn't cast by a invalid voter. Defined by: "Non Republican-voting" voter You'll have to provide a link for that, or is this just more of your BS?

MasterJaguar01 -> RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? (6/5/2015 9:22:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 Kudos to Hilary for calling BS on voter suppression laws! (Doesn't make her a good candidate... But kudos anyway!) I feel blessed to live in a state free of vote-rigging legislators. Voting in my part of Washington is a joy. I get my ballot in the mail. I fill it out over coffee, drop it in a box near the fire station weeks before election day (don't even need to get out of my car!), and I even get an email receipt that my ballot is received and counted! So,,what I'm familiar with, and I may be wrong, in those states that have made it a requirement to have voter ID, the state also issues a free ID at the DMV. How would that be suppression? Is it your contention that going to the DMV for a free ID suppresses votes? Please provide a link. Because, on the radio today, so I don't have a link, it seems when voter ID laws have been implemented voter percentages have increased. Are you talking out of your ass again? 1) Voter suppression takes more forms than voter ID (e.g. eliminating early voting, reducing polling places in non-Republican areas, (and reducing voting machines, or installing faulty machines) 2) Laws and rules vary from state-to-state. NC offers a "No-Fee" ID, provided you have a couple of a whole list of documents, some of which cost $$$ to get: http://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/driver/id/#VoterID 3) Of course, another tactic is: When a woman shows up with her drivers license, it may have her married name, while the name on her voter reg is her maiden name, and she is denied the right to vote. Ken Blackwell openly bragged about how he won Ohio for Bush when he was thinking about running for Governor of Ohio. Of course he served a dual role as Ohio Secretary State and state co-chair of the committee to re-elect Bush. No conflict there of course. He used every tactic outlined in #1 above. And voter TURNOUT definitely increases in states with Voter ID. The problem is: Votes that actually COUNT goes way down. Take Texas for example: http://thinkprogress.org/election/2014/11/05/3588243/texas-voter-issues-recap/ Thanks to the ironically named Bush gem: "Help America Vote Act". Instead of being turned away, you get to fill out a Provisional Ballot, which very often ends up in the round file Okay I'll grant those things. All I want is voter ID. i have no problem with early voting. I vote by mail as you do. Who the hell cares when the vote is cast as long as it goes in a carefully regulated pile for counting on election night. Actually, I think the provisional vote is reasonable if you can't ID yourself. If they're ending up in the round file, it shows the system worked and the voter couldn't or wouldn't establish ID. I'Ve not read your fewer polling places problem. So, just playing the Devils advocate, if we're trying to leave out minority votes, we've already, after Fergusaon and Baltimore, learned that most of those sorts of places are run by Democrats, why would you suppose Democrats are putting in fewer polling places? Ummmm no. I will apologize for being elementary here, but I need to explain something. We don't have 1 election for President. We have 51 elections (and they aren't even for President. They are actually for electors). Each state and DC has a Secretary of State. The Secretary of state "runs" the elections. (No he/she doesn't write election law for the state, but he/she gets to INTERPRET the law). Often a Republican state legislature will partner with a Secretary of State to write a law, which the Secretary of State can exploit to ensure a Republican victory (a la Florida 2000.) So, the assertion that these places are "run by Democrats" is inaccurate. The elections are run by 1 person: The Secretary of State. He/she can decide to put many voting machines in Republican voting places, and few in Democrat voting places. (Research the Ohio '04 election)

BamaD -> RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? (6/5/2015 9:33:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 Kudos to Hilary for calling BS on voter suppression laws! (Doesn't make her a good candidate... But kudos anyway!) I feel blessed to live in a state free of vote-rigging legislators. Voting in my part of Washington is a joy. I get my ballot in the mail. I fill it out over coffee, drop it in a box near the fire station weeks before election day (don't even need to get out of my car!), and I even get an email receipt that my ballot is received and counted! So,,what I'm familiar with, and I may be wrong, in those states that have made it a requirement to have voter ID, the state also issues a free ID at the DMV. How would that be suppression? Is it your contention that going to the DMV for a free ID suppresses votes? Please provide a link. Because, on the radio today, so I don't have a link, it seems when voter ID laws have been implemented voter percentages have increased. Are you talking out of your ass again? 1) Voter suppression takes more forms than voter ID (e.g. eliminating early voting, reducing polling places in non-Republican areas, (and reducing voting machines, or installing faulty machines) 2) Laws and rules vary from state-to-state. NC offers a "No-Fee" ID, provided you have a couple of a whole list of documents, some of which cost $$$ to get: http://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/driver/id/#VoterID 3) Of course, another tactic is: When a woman shows up with her drivers license, it may have her married name, while the name on her voter reg is her maiden name, and she is denied the right to vote. Ken Blackwell openly bragged about how he won Ohio for Bush when he was thinking about running for Governor of Ohio. Of course he served a dual role as Ohio Secretary State and state co-chair of the committee to re-elect Bush. No conflict there of course. He used every tactic outlined in #1 above. And voter TURNOUT definitely increases in states with Voter ID. The problem is: Votes that actually COUNT goes way down. Take Texas for example: http://thinkprogress.org/election/2014/11/05/3588243/texas-voter-issues-recap/ Thanks to the ironically named Bush gem: "Help America Vote Act". Instead of being turned away, you get to fill out a Provisional Ballot, which very often ends up in the round file When it turns out that it wasn't cast by a invalid voter. Defined by: "Non Republican-voting" voter Absurd.

HunterCA -> RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? (6/5/2015 9:34:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 Kudos to Hilary for calling BS on voter suppression laws! (Doesn't make her a good candidate... But kudos anyway!) I feel blessed to live in a state free of vote-rigging legislators. Voting in my part of Washington is a joy. I get my ballot in the mail. I fill it out over coffee, drop it in a box near the fire station weeks before election day (don't even need to get out of my car!), and I even get an email receipt that my ballot is received and counted! So,,what I'm familiar with, and I may be wrong, in those states that have made it a requirement to have voter ID, the state also issues a free ID at the DMV. How would that be suppression? Is it your contention that going to the DMV for a free ID suppresses votes? Please provide a link. Because, on the radio today, so I don't have a link, it seems when voter ID laws have been implemented voter percentages have increased. Are you talking out of your ass again? 1) Voter suppression takes more forms than voter ID (e.g. eliminating early voting, reducing polling places in non-Republican areas, (and reducing voting machines, or installing faulty machines) 2) Laws and rules vary from state-to-state. NC offers a "No-Fee" ID, provided you have a couple of a whole list of documents, some of which cost $$$ to get: http://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/driver/id/#VoterID 3) Of course, another tactic is: When a woman shows up with her drivers license, it may have her married name, while the name on her voter reg is her maiden name, and she is denied the right to vote. Ken Blackwell openly bragged about how he won Ohio for Bush when he was thinking about running for Governor of Ohio. Of course he served a dual role as Ohio Secretary State and state co-chair of the committee to re-elect Bush. No conflict there of course. He used every tactic outlined in #1 above. And voter TURNOUT definitely increases in states with Voter ID. The problem is: Votes that actually COUNT goes way down. Take Texas for example: http://thinkprogress.org/election/2014/11/05/3588243/texas-voter-issues-recap/ Thanks to the ironically named Bush gem: "Help America Vote Act". Instead of being turned away, you get to fill out a Provisional Ballot, which very often ends up in the round file Okay I'll grant those things. All I want is voter ID. i have no problem with early voting. I vote by mail as you do. Who the hell cares when the vote is cast as long as it goes in a carefully regulated pile for counting on election night. Actually, I think the provisional vote is reasonable if you can't ID yourself. If they're ending up in the round file, it shows the system worked and the voter couldn't or wouldn't establish ID. I'Ve not read your fewer polling places problem. So, just playing the Devils advocate, if we're trying to leave out minority votes, we've already, after Fergusaon and Baltimore, learned that most of those sorts of places are run by Democrats, why would you suppose Democrats are putting in fewer polling places? Ummmm no. I will apologize for being elementary here, but I need to explain something. We don't have 1 election for President. We have 51 elections (and they aren't even for President. They are actually for electors). Each state and DC has a Secretary of State. The Secretary of state "runs" the elections. (No he/she doesn't write election law for the state, but he/she gets to INTERPRET the law). Often a Republican state legislature will partner with a Secretary of State to write a law, which the Secretary of State can exploit to ensure a Republican victory (a la Florida 2000.) So, the assertion that these places are "run by Democrats" is inaccurate. The elections are run by 1 person: The Secretary of State. He/she can decide to put many voting machines in Republican voting places, and few in Democrat voting places. (Research the Ohio '04 election) Let me help you a little. At least in California and Arizona the State delegates all election stuff to elected city and county officials called "Registrar of Voters". So as it turns out, at least here it is local and you're full of shit. Having been, at least once, a City official, whom the Registrar knew, I was called and told where a new polling place would be and asked if if could have it ready or needed help? The State person has nothing to do with polling places except field complaints. You might want to go to your city or county website and check and see if you're full of shit in your state as well.

MasterJaguar01 -> RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? (6/5/2015 9:39:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 Kudos to Hilary for calling BS on voter suppression laws! (Doesn't make her a good candidate... But kudos anyway!) I feel blessed to live in a state free of vote-rigging legislators. Voting in my part of Washington is a joy. I get my ballot in the mail. I fill it out over coffee, drop it in a box near the fire station weeks before election day (don't even need to get out of my car!), and I even get an email receipt that my ballot is received and counted! So,,what I'm familiar with, and I may be wrong, in those states that have made it a requirement to have voter ID, the state also issues a free ID at the DMV. How would that be suppression? Is it your contention that going to the DMV for a free ID suppresses votes? Please provide a link. Because, on the radio today, so I don't have a link, it seems when voter ID laws have been implemented voter percentages have increased. Are you talking out of your ass again? 1) Voter suppression takes more forms than voter ID (e.g. eliminating early voting, reducing polling places in non-Republican areas, (and reducing voting machines, or installing faulty machines) 2) Laws and rules vary from state-to-state. NC offers a "No-Fee" ID, provided you have a couple of a whole list of documents, some of which cost $$$ to get: http://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/driver/id/#VoterID 3) Of course, another tactic is: When a woman shows up with her drivers license, it may have her married name, while the name on her voter reg is her maiden name, and she is denied the right to vote. Ken Blackwell openly bragged about how he won Ohio for Bush when he was thinking about running for Governor of Ohio. Of course he served a dual role as Ohio Secretary State and state co-chair of the committee to re-elect Bush. No conflict there of course. He used every tactic outlined in #1 above. And voter TURNOUT definitely increases in states with Voter ID. The problem is: Votes that actually COUNT goes way down. Take Texas for example: http://thinkprogress.org/election/2014/11/05/3588243/texas-voter-issues-recap/ Thanks to the ironically named Bush gem: "Help America Vote Act". Instead of being turned away, you get to fill out a Provisional Ballot, which very often ends up in the round file When it turns out that it wasn't cast by a invalid voter. Defined by: "Non Republican-voting" voter You'll have to provide a link for that, or is this just more of your BS? https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/race/report/2014/10/29/99886/uncounted-votes/ Extrapolation vis-a-vis party affiliation is mine. It is a very reasonable conclusion. Here is a quote from the article: Of the more than 2.7 million provisional ballots that were cast in 2012, more than 30 percent were not fully counted or rejected all together. Moreover, according to this first-of-its-kind analysis, in 16 states, the use of provisional ballots is more frequent in counties with higher percentages of minority voters. This is a definition of the system working??? All of these people (30% of 2.7 MILLION) are attempting to commit voter fraud? My own opinion: These number are sickening. An absolute insult to our democracy and our constitution. Nearly a million people's votes, thrown in the trash. Think about that.

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