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HunterCA -> RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? (6/6/2015 9:47:43 AM)
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Kudos to Hilary for calling BS on voter suppression laws! (Doesn't make her a good candidate... But kudos anyway!)
I feel blessed to live in a state free of vote-rigging legislators. Voting in my part of Washington is a joy. I get my ballot in the mail. I fill it out over coffee, drop it in a box near the fire station weeks before election day (don't even need to get out of my car!), and I even get an email receipt that my ballot is received and counted!
So,,what I'm familiar with, and I may be wrong, in those states that have made it a requirement to have voter ID, the state also issues a free ID at the DMV. How would that be suppression? Is it your contention that going to the DMV for a free ID suppresses votes? Please provide a link. Because, on the radio today, so I don't have a link, it seems when voter ID laws have been implemented voter percentages have increased. Are you talking out of your ass again?
1) Voter suppression takes more forms than voter ID (e.g. eliminating early voting, reducing polling places in non-Republican areas, (and reducing voting machines, or installing faulty machines)
2) Laws and rules vary from state-to-state. NC offers a "No-Fee" ID, provided you have a couple of a whole list of documents, some of which cost $$$ to get: http://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/driver/id/#VoterID
3) Of course, another tactic is: When a woman shows up with her drivers license, it may have her married name, while the name on her voter reg is her maiden name, and she is denied the right to vote.
Ken Blackwell openly bragged about how he won Ohio for Bush when he was thinking about running for Governor of Ohio. Of course he served a dual role as Ohio Secretary State and state co-chair of the committee to re-elect Bush. No conflict there of course. He used every tactic outlined in #1 above.
And voter TURNOUT definitely increases in states with Voter ID. The problem is: Votes that actually COUNT goes way down. Take Texas for example: http://thinkprogress.org/election/2014/11/05/3588243/texas-voter-issues-recap/
Thanks to the ironically named Bush gem: "Help America Vote Act". Instead of being turned away, you get to fill out a Provisional Ballot, which very often ends up in the round file
Okay I'll grant those things. All I want is voter ID. i have no problem with early voting. I vote by mail as you do. Who the hell cares when the vote is cast as long as it goes in a carefully regulated pile for counting on election night.
Actually, I think the provisional vote is reasonable if you can't ID yourself. If they're ending up in the round file, it shows the system worked and the voter couldn't or wouldn't establish ID. I'Ve not read your fewer polling places problem. So, just playing the Devils advocate, if we're trying to leave out minority votes, we've already, after Fergusaon and Baltimore, learned that most of those sorts of places are run by Democrats, why would you suppose Democrats are putting in fewer polling places?
Ummmm no.
I will apologize for being elementary here, but I need to explain something.
We don't have 1 election for President. We have 51 elections (and they aren't even for President. They are actually for electors). Each state and DC has a Secretary of State. The Secretary of state "runs" the elections. (No he/she doesn't write election law for the state, but he/she gets to INTERPRET the law). Often a Republican state legislature will partner with a Secretary of State to write a law, which the Secretary of State can exploit to ensure a Republican victory (a la Florida 2000.)
So, the assertion that these places are "run by Democrats" is inaccurate. The elections are run by 1 person: The Secretary of State. He/she can decide to put many voting machines in Republican voting places, and few in Democrat voting places. (Research the Ohio '04 election)
Let me help you a little. At least in California and Arizona the State delegates all election stuff to elected city and county officials called "Registrar of Voters". So as it turns out, at least here it is local and you're full of shit. Having been, at least once, a City official, whom the Registrar knew, I was called and told where a new polling place would be and asked if if could have it ready or needed help? The State person has nothing to do with polling places except field complaints.
You might want to go to your city or county website and check and see if you're full of shit in your state as well.
You are completely wrong. The state does NOT delegate ALL election STUFF to elected city and county officials.
Take a look at the California Secretary of State's website:
http://www.sos.ca.gov/
Quote from the "Elections Division" section: The Elections Division oversees all federal and state elections within California.
Or...
Take a look at the Arizona Secretary of State's website:
http://www.azsos.gov/
Your statement is just completely incorrect.
Lol, what an idiot. Do you really think the State election division...before it was the Secratary of Sate now we're down to a division which is less than a department...is out overseeing the elected local officials. If you believe what you're saying it's because you choose to in order to continue to believe you're absurd argument. My god, I worked with these people and watched them at election time. Where is you...again you have nothing.
I smile this morning as I have my coffee, and wonder why I am spending any more time explaining this.
1) Your assertion that "All election stuff" is delegated to local officials is ridiculous, wrong, and patently false
2) California, like all states, have local workers, who do make some operational decisions. (How else could it work?) This is true, but totally irrelevant
3) Having grown up in California and voted there, I can tell you that the system worked well when I lived there. My parents sill live there and they say it works great.
The only relevant point is this:
The Secretary of State's job is too interpret and execute election law, as WELL as set department policy. He/she is the Chief Elections officer.
Here is an excerpt from his page:
As the chief elections officer for the largest state in the nation, the California Secretary of State tests and approves all voting equipment for security, accuracy, reliability and accessibility in order to ensure that every vote is counted as it was cast. The Secretary also ensures election laws and campaign disclosure requirements are enforced, maintains a statewide database of all registered voters, certifies the official lists of candidates for elections, tracks and certifies ballot initiatives, compiles election returns and certifies election results, educates California citizens about their voting rights, and promotes voter registration and participation.
http://www.sos.ca.gov/administration/about-agency/
Those "County Registrars" you were talking about?
Here they are: Right on the Secretary of State's website.
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voting-resources/new-voters/county-elections-offices/#mainCont
Hopefully, to drive my point home, you can see an example of when a County official doesn't go along with a voter suppression tactic.
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/08/28/husted-fires-two-officials.html
I'm proud of you. You've fought very hard to remain ignorant and prejudice. A true lefty.
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