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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/16/2015 9:26:52 AM   
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Omar Bhagouti is widely identified as one of the founders and leaders of the BDS movement. In a interview he explains the movement's goals and strategies:'

"Q.A common accusation against the international BDS campaign is that it feeds on anti-Semitism. What do you say to that?

A. BDS is a non-violent human rights movement that seeks freedom, justice and equality for the Palestinian people, based on international law and universal principles of human rights. As such, BDS has consistently and categorically rejected all forms of discrimination and racism, including anti-Semitism as well as dozens of racist laws in Israel.

“Our non-violent struggle has never been against Jews or Israelis as Jews, but against an unjust regime that enslaves our people with occupation, apartheid and denial of the refugees’ UN-stipulated rights. We are proud of the disproportionately high number of Jewish activists in the BDS movement, especially in the U.S.

“Conflating time-honored, human-rights-based boycotts of Israel’s violations of international law with anti-Jewish racism is not only false, it is a racist attempt to put all Jews into one basket and to implicate them in Israel’s crimes against the Palestinians.

“Israel’s charge of racism against the BDS movement is akin to the Ku Klux Klan accusing Martin Luther King Jr. and Rosa Parks of racism! It is so blatantly propagandistic
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http://972mag.com/interview-the-man-behind-the-bds-movement/107771/

Read the full interview at the link to hear the BDS movement explain itself, its goals and strategies. The magazine/site ( http://972mag.com ) that published the interview is a good source for independent human rights based analysis of the broader Palestine/Israel conflict. There is an in-depth section on the BDS movement that contains news, perspectives and information most people are unlikely to encounter in the mainstream media, that will help enormously in understanding the reasons why BDS is needed and the movement's aims and strategies.

Thank God there is mainstream coverage of BDS:

There is considerable debate about the scope, efficacy, and morality of the BDS movement. Critics argue that the BDS movement promotes the delegitimization of Israel.[5][6] BDS supporters argue that both the movement (and criticism of the movement) are similar to the earlier boycotts of South Africa during its apartheid era,[7][8][9] a comparison that the critics categorically reject on the grounds of dissimilarity of the regimes in almost every aspect.[10]

The effectiveness of the movement has been questioned. Reports from both in and outside of Israel has indicated that the movement has had very little impact on the Israeli economy, and won't for the foreseeable future...[11][12][13][14][15]

...The Economist in 2007 called the boycott "flimsy" and ineffective, noted that "blaming Israel alone for the impasse in the occupied territories will continue to strike many outsiders as unfair," and pointed out that the Palestinian leadership did not support the boycott.[185] By early 2014, however, they noted that the campaign, "[o]nce derided as the scheming of crackpots", was "turning mainstream" in the eyes of many Israelis...[186]

...In July 2014, Noam Chomsky warns that the boycott, divestment, and sanctions campaign could end up harming the Palestinian cause since the demand for a "right of return" for Palestinian refugees has failed to muster significant international support. He also said "if we boycott Tel Aviv University because Israel violates human rights at home, then why not boycott Harvard because of far greater violations by the United States?".[190]

In September 2014, over 620 academics, most of whom are based in North America and Israel, signed an online petition which states that the undersigned "vigorously support free speech and free debate but we oppose faculty or student boycotts of Israel’s academic institutions, scholars and students." The petition states that the BDS movement "violates the very principle of academic freedom" and charges that it engages in "accusations and narratives" that are derived from "overstatements, cherry picked evidence, outright falsehood" or "disputed or highly biased data." Academics who have signed the petition include Alan Dershowitz, Eric Alterman, Judea Pearl and Deborah Dash Moore.[191][192]

Effect on Palestinians

Some critics note that the Palestinian economy is heavily dependent on Israel. While the BDS movement is having very limited impact on the Israeli economy, Palestinians are being hit harder. Israeli companies employ over 110,000 Palestinians in the West Bank, many of whom make three to five times the wages than they would locally. The BDS movement has caused Palestinians to lose their jobs working for Israeli companies...[15]

...The Palestinian Authority officially supports "a boycott only against products made in West Bank settlements". Although the authority rejects Israeli occupation and settlements in the West Bank, an advisor to Abbas said, "We are neighbors with Israel, we have agreements with Israel, we recognize Israel, we are not asking anyone to boycott products of Israel."[195]

The long-standing pro-Palestinian activist and political scientist Norman Finkelstein deemed the BDS movement a "cult". He argued that the worldwide movement was overly controlled by the Ramallah headquarters, made irrealistic claims so as to hide a wish to destroy Israel, and accused the movement of exaggerating its achievements and its capacity, most notably by maintaining that it represents the entire pro-Palestine movement. Finkelstein also asserted that the movement misrepresented and misinterpreted Israel's obligation under international law as defined by the International Court of Justice.[196][197][198][199]

For more, see this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott,_Divestment_and_Sanctions

“Many of the contributors here have criticized Israeli government policy themselves and recommended basic changes in it,” writes Nelson, the former president of the AAUP. “That, however, leaves unanswered a series of more vexing questions: Does anti-Semitism help explain why Israel is singled out for especially severe international criticism when other states have much worse human rights records? Does anti-Semitism help underwrite demands that Israel literally be eliminated as a Jewish state and be absorbed into a larger Arab-dominated nation? Is the BDS movement as a whole contaminated by clearly anti-Semitic statements by some of its advocates?
Are idealistic BDS advocates responsible for unintended anti-Semitic political and social consequences of the movement?”
“At issue, we should emphasize, is not whether individual BDS advocates are anti-Semitic, though some surely are, but whether the history of anti-Semitic discourse informs BDS reasoning even if supporters are unaware of that,” Nelson writes.

Pertinent to this question are the specifics of the BDS platform, which, opponents point out, doesn’t limit itself to calling for an end of the occupation of the West Bank but rather goes much further to demand the right of Palestinian refugees from 1948 to return to their homes -- a demand that Israel’s advocates argue would result in an Arab-dominated country and the end of Israel as a Jewish state. While Omar Barghouti, a key BDS activist, has emphasized in his writings that the movement is “neutral” on the issue of a one-state versus a two-state political solution, some of BDS’s leading thinkers (including Barghouti and the philosopher Judith Butler) have personally advocated for a one-state solution that Nelson argues would be disastrous and even deadly for a minority Jewish population.
In his essay, “The Problem with Judith Butler” (who is among the BDS movement’s most prominent proponents in American academe), Nelson argues that any solution that involves dissolving the Jewish state is “anti-Semitic in effect” and fueled, “at least obliquely,” by an anti-Semitic legacy that views Jews as "secondary or expendable."

For more:

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/11/03/new-book-questions-link-between-israel-boycott-movement-and-anti-semitism

This is not to say that the BDS campaign is necessarily anti-Semitic. Opponents of the boycott need to make a better case than that. But to sanction Israeli companies and universities until Israel agrees to implode is not quite kosher, either. The boycott movement springs from a noble motive of advocating for a long-suffering underdog. [But the positions BDS pushes are non-starters for Middle East peace negotiations. They can only inspire resentment and retrenchment, not constructive dialogue, among students on college campuses.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2015/05/campus-politics

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/16/2015 9:47:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

Thank God there is mainstream coverage of BDS:



Yes. I recall when, once upon a time, everyone in the U.S. got practically all of their "news" from the "liberal" media - and it looked so similar to tweakas Islamist propaganda that its startling





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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/16/2015 9:48:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Omar Bhagouti is widely identified as one of the founders and leaders of the BDS movement. In a interview he explains the movement's goals and strategies:'

"Q.A common accusation against the international BDS campaign is that it feeds on anti-Semitism. What do you say to that?

A. BDS is a non-violent human rights movement that seeks freedom, justice and equality for the Palestinian people, based on international law and universal principles of human rights. As such, BDS has consistently and categorically rejected all forms of discrimination and racism, including anti-Semitism as well as dozens of racist laws in Israel.

“Our non-violent struggle has never been against Jews or Israelis as Jews, but against an unjust regime that enslaves our people with occupation, apartheid and denial of the refugees’ UN-stipulated rights. We are proud of the disproportionately high number of Jewish activists in the BDS movement, especially in the U.S.

“Conflating time-honored, human-rights-based boycotts of Israel’s violations of international law with anti-Jewish racism is not only false, it is a racist attempt to put all Jews into one basket and to implicate them in Israel’s crimes against the Palestinians.

“Israel’s charge of racism against the BDS movement is akin to the Ku Klux Klan accusing Martin Luther King Jr. and Rosa Parks of racism! It is so blatantly propagandistic
.

http://972mag.com/interview-the-man-behind-the-bds-movement/107771/

Read the full interview at the link to hear the BDS movement explain itself, its goals and strategies. The magazine/site ( http://972mag.com ) that published the interview is a good source for independent human rights based analysis of the broader Palestine/Israel conflict. There is an in-depth section on the BDS movement that contains news, perspectives and information most people are unlikely to encounter in the mainstream media, that will help enormously in understanding the reasons why BDS is needed and the movement's aims and strategies.

Hum, I think if Omar wasn't a racist he'd probably be able to achieve his "stated goals" by boycotting Hamas. But that isn't part of the program is it? We only talk about the bad Jews don't we?

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/17/2015 7:38:04 AM   
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........ tweakas Islamist propaganda .......




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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/17/2015 8:33:26 AM   
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For she who calls people morons for not responding to her moronic points. This is pretty moronic.

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/17/2015 8:48:39 AM   
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For she who calls people morons for not responding to her moronic points. This is pretty moronic.

I've noticed. Every post I've...and others have...made refuting her sources with other sources has been ignored.

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/17/2015 9:06:03 AM   
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No, she's good at calling people names but not dealing with debate over facts.

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/17/2015 2:36:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

Thank God there is mainstream coverage of BDS:



Yes. I recall when, once upon a time, everyone in the U.S. got practically all of their "news" from the "liberal" media - and it looked so similar to tweakas Islamist propaganda that its startling






What 'Islamist propaganda', you frothing lunatic?


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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/17/2015 3:13:57 PM   
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Hum, again, no actual idea or input, just criticism.

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/17/2015 3:38:03 PM   
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'Actual ideas' and 'input' on this forum I've long since come to think of as pearls before swine, Hunter. Why should I bother? Tweakabelle and others do that and I find it a continuous crying shame that none of you can be bothered to make the slightest effort to absorb what they say. If you or any other rightie were once to pull up a congenital moron like Sanity on his nasty brainless balls, I might think twice. But you don't and you never do. You just aren't worth the effort to me, in short, I'm afraid.

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/17/2015 4:05:04 PM   
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Hum, again, no actual idea or input, just criticism.


Much like your own drivel.



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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/17/2015 4:09:20 PM   
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Hum, again, no actual idea or input, just criticism.


Much like your own drivel.


Is it just a coincidence, or are all of the British citizens here lowlife little trollish things whose only "contributions" are derails and these mindless, obsessive personal attacks

(Except for NG perhaps, whose posts have been halfway intelligent of late)

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/17/2015 4:26:25 PM   
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'Actual ideas' and 'input' on this forum I've long since come to think of as pearls before swine, Hunter. Why should I bother? Tweakabelle and others do that and I find it a continuous crying shame that none of you can be bothered to make the slightest effort to absorb what they say. If you or any other rightie were once to pull up a congenital moron like Sanity on his nasty brainless balls, I might think twice. But you don't and you never do. You just aren't worth the effort to me, in short, I'm afraid.

There you go. The best of you in a short statement.

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/17/2015 4:32:54 PM   
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'Actual ideas' and 'input' on this forum I've long since come to think of as pearls before swine, Hunter. Why should I bother? Tweakabelle and others do that and I find it a continuous crying shame that none of you can be bothered to make the slightest effort to absorb what they say. If you or any other rightie were once to pull up a congenital moron like Sanity on his nasty brainless balls, I might think twice. But you don't and you never do. You just aren't worth the effort to me, in short, I'm afraid.
Perhaps you find it a crying shame because...in your mind...failure to absorb what tweak is saying is evident by the fact that many still disagree with her?

Here's a bit of news that may be even more heart-rending for you: a lot of us can absorb what tweak is saying and still not be taken IN by it.

As for pulling up Sanity, tell you what...how about one of you (perhaps you, Peon?) pull up mnot on his insults? I'm sure you know them:
Felchers
Shitbreathers
Rabid right wing
Slobbering thugs and goons

You don't and you never will.


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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/17/2015 5:38:01 PM   
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I found this an interesting read:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/14/world/play-set-in-israeli-prison-imperils-arab-theater.html

Play Set in Israeli Prison Imperils Arab Theater

Palestinian cultural leaders and artists have been more vocal in recent years in expressing a narrative of dispossession and inequality. Meanwhile, Israel has been drifting rightward and shrinking the cultural space open to Palestinian artists.

“They don’t want to hear any other opinion,” said Salwa Nakkara, the theater’s artistic director, “as if there is no occupation, as if there is peace and everything is wonderful, as if we are not an ethnic minority.”

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/17/2015 5:39:44 PM   
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Hum, again, no actual idea or input, just criticism.


Much like your own drivel.




Glad to see we agree about something. You may have hurt Peon's feeling by sidling with me though.

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/17/2015 5:42:58 PM   
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I found this an interesting read:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/14/world/play-set-in-israeli-prison-imperils-arab-theater.html

Play Set in Israeli Prison Imperils Arab Theater

Palestinian cultural leaders and artists have been more vocal in recent years in expressing a narrative of dispossession and inequality. Meanwhile, Israel has been drifting rightward and shrinking the cultural space open to Palestinian artists.

“They don’t want to hear any other opinion,” said Salwa Nakkara, the theater’s artistic director, “as if there is no occupation, as if there is peace and everything is wonderful, as if we are not an ethnic minority.”


Really? Did you find my post the other day about the transgendered woman who was beaten by his family, kicked out and could only find friendship with the Jews interesting too? Or do only find anti-Jewish news interesting?

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/17/2015 5:52:41 PM   
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Really? Did you find my post the other day about the transgendered woman who was beaten by his family, kicked out and could only find friendship with the Jews interesting too? Or do only find anti-Jewish news interesting?


Could you link to that? I havent seen it and cant seem to find it

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/17/2015 6:04:18 PM   
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'Actual ideas' and 'input' on this forum I've long since come to think of as pearls before swine, Hunter. Why should I bother? Tweakabelle and others do that and I find it a continuous crying shame that none of you can be bothered to make the slightest effort to absorb what they say. If you or any other rightie were once to pull up a congenital moron like Sanity on his nasty brainless balls, I might think twice. But you don't and you never do. You just aren't worth the effort to me, in short, I'm afraid.


I invite anyone to take a look through the thread and compare say, Sanity's or Hunter's posts with mine. Their posts alternate between repeated claims of hate and accusations of anti-Semitism. My posts consist of evidence, supported by links and logical argument. Even a casual glance through the thread will confirm this.

For Hunter of all people, - a person whose occasionally literate posts invariably are one or two line false and moronic accusations of hate - to complain about others' posts lacking facts and argument is a salient indicator the level of self delusion and hypocrisy necessary to remain a supporter of Israel.

Omar Bhagouti said of some BDS critics that for them to accuse BDS of racism was like the KKK accusing MLK and Rosa Parks of racism. Hunter's hypocrisy is on a similar scale and deserves the same contempt.

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/17/2015 6:12:34 PM   
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Your posts are mainly copy & paste Islamist propaganda, interspersed with typical ad hominems and other logical fallacies we have come to expect from far left posters...

Mine, for the most part, are simply pointing that out.

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