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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

As you don't have anything to offer except lies, hate and abuse, I'm done playing with you Hunter. There's no place for people like you in my life. Good bye and good riddance

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

Actually, studies on police who were killed or injured show that if a person with a knife is within 23 feet of you, he'll get you before you can draw and shoot him. If seen pictures of people slashed with knives bled out. It's a race K. You are racing to the finish line. You're not racing to a grapefruit size spot on the finish line ribbon.

I've heard this 23 foot thing before. I'm just not buying it entirely. Maybe it has been misinterpreted from *it's possible* for a knife welding attacker to reach and injure you from 23 ft before you can draw and fire. I'm just not seeing it from my perspective though I'm sure any number of factors could influence the outcome. We all know that too many cops are not proficient enough with their sidearms. Is the attacker fast and the cop or whoever slow on the draw. Is the 9mm (common police sidearm) or even a 40 caliber sometimes not powerful enough to stop him as he keeps on coming at you after taking one or two in the chest. What about a plain clothes officer or civilian having his weapon hang up in his clothing on the draw or anything else you can think of. I get that, but as for me, I know I'm not going to miss at 23 feet and at 23 freakin feet, I'm sure I can draw and get at least one accurate shot off before he closes that much distance. A .45 (highest percentage of one shot stops) or even a .357 with 158 grain jacketed hollow points should do the job efficiently.

I'm going with the don't bring a knife to a gun fight rule.

I have a concealed weapons permit for which I'm required to have training every two years. It's always part of the training which is always demonstrated in class...along with graphic pictures of dead cops slashed with knives. What you believe or don't believe is really immaterial if you don't know. I've actually had training from guys who make and disseminate training to the FBI. I really don't care what you believe frankly. You don't know what you're talking about and you actually stated that.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
........I get the impression that some people posting here would positively relish the opportunity to kill someone they regard as a 'bad person' or criminal

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

its seems cop executed killings due to knife threat argument falls apart at the point the threat can be avoided, same story with the officer jumping in front of the car and negligently putting himself in unnecessary danger.

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

Actually, studies on police who were killed or injured show that if a person with a knife is within 23 feet of you, he'll get you before you can draw and shoot him. If seen pictures of people slashed with knives bled out. It's a race K. You are racing to the finish line. You're not racing to a grapefruit size spot on the finish line ribbon.

I've heard this 23 foot thing before. I'm just not buying it entirely. Maybe it has been misinterpreted from *it's possible* for a knife welding attacker to reach and injure you from 23 ft before you can draw and fire. I'm just not seeing it from my perspective though I'm sure any number of factors could influence the outcome. We all know that too many cops are not proficient enough with their sidearms. Is the attacker fast and the cop or whoever slow on the draw. Is the 9mm (common police sidearm) or even a 40 caliber sometimes not powerful enough to stop him as he keeps on coming at you after taking one or two in the chest. What about a plain clothes officer or civilian having his weapon hang up in his clothing on the draw or anything else you can think of. I get that, but as for me, I know I'm not going to miss at 23 feet and at 23 freakin feet, I'm sure I can draw and get at least one accurate shot off before he closes that much distance. A .45 (highest percentage of one shot stops) or even a .357 with 158 grain jacketed hollow points should do the job efficiently.

I'm going with the don't bring a knife to a gun fight rule.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

If I recall correctly, you do NOT aim for anything but head or center of mass because if you are not trying to kill him you are not in fear for your life. Just like you cannot fire a warning shot legally.

Well I don't buy the premise that if you don't try to kill him then you weren't in fear for your life. But leaving that aside, laws vary from state to state. In Florida, even if you know for a fact that he doesn't intend to kill you, that he just wants to seriously fuck you up, you're entitled to use your firearm to defend yourself. And after the Marissa Alexander case, firing a warning shot became legal. Her conviction has now been overturned and a new trial ordered.

K.

That is actually good to hear.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

You are mostly correct. Reasonable fear for your life, that of another, or serious bodily injury to yourself or another. Both military and police taught me not to go for the head shot because it is so much trickier than body mass. In fact in the National Guard they taught us that we were only shoot to disable (we were MPs) and that 3 .45s in the chest tends to be disabling.

Head shots for when body armor is being worn.

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

FR

Drawing a weapon from a concealed holster is a lot easier than drawing a duty weapon for a level three retention holster, you cannot compare USPSA or IDPA competition shooters with custom speed equipment to cops wearing duty gear. It's like comparing Asparagus to Bananas.

As for the so called 99% gun shot lethality number batted around by our resident nutcase, if this were true, the world's population would have been greatly reduced by now.

Cops don't aim for the head, it's a small target, and always moving. We're trained to aim center mass, and to keep firing until the perp is down, and no longer a threat. Same with the arms and legs, they're always in motion, and present very small targets.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58472404-78/taylor-cruz-hands-gill.html.csp
Paranoid???
the cop got off....not because he was in danger, but because he thought he was.
the video is hugely graphic

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

Actually, studies on police who were killed or injured show that if a person with a knife is within 23 feet of you, he'll get you before you can draw and shoot him. If seen pictures of people slashed with knives bled out. It's a race K. You are racing to the finish line. You're not racing to a grapefruit size spot on the finish line ribbon.

I've heard this 23 foot thing before. I'm just not buying it entirely. Maybe it has been misinterpreted from *it's possible* for a knife welding attacker to reach and injure you from 23 ft before you can draw and fire. I'm just not seeing it from my perspective though I'm sure any number of factors could influence the outcome. We all know that too many cops are not proficient enough with their sidearms. Is the attacker fast and the cop or whoever slow on the draw. Is the 9mm (common police sidearm) or even a 40 caliber sometimes not powerful enough to stop him as he keeps on coming at you after taking one or two in the chest. What about a plain clothes officer or civilian having his weapon hang up in his clothing on the draw or anything else you can think of. I get that, but as for me, I know I'm not going to miss at 23 feet and at 23 freakin feet, I'm sure I can draw and get at least one accurate shot off before he closes that much distance. A .45 (highest percentage of one shot stops) or even a .357 with 158 grain jacketed hollow points should do the job efficiently.

I'm going with the don't bring a knife to a gun fight rule.

I have a concealed weapons permit for which I'm required to have training every two years. It's always part of the training which is always demonstrated in class...along with graphic pictures of dead cops slashed with knives. What you believe or don't believe is really immaterial if you don't know. I've actually had training from guys who make and disseminate training to the FBI. I really don't care what you believe frankly. You don't know what you're talking about and you actually stated that.

I've had training too. I've been with and watched people who compete in IPSC including police officers (now retired) draw and fire accurately so freakin fast it makes me dizzy. I've practiced with handguns for just shy of 40 years and I'm pretty quick myself. (Not like the IPSC guys). All I'm sayin is, I find 23 feet, knife guy always wins or cuts you, hard to comprehend. I get what you're telling us, I can see it and it gives me something to think about. But based on my experience, from what I can tell, I doubt the rule applies in every situation. And still, I'd rather be the guy with the gun. Furthermore, I'm sure there are times when the gun guy doesn't have a choice but to do battle with a knife guy in close proximity.

I think I've seen Bama post the same or similar thing about gun vs knife and close proximity. You're partly right though when you say I don't know what I'm talking about because at this point I'm not sure. But I'm not a rank amateur.

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58472404-78/taylor-cruz-hands-gill.html.csp
Paranoid???
the cop got off....not because he was in danger, but because he thought he was.
the video is hugely graphic

Of course. Make someone think youre going to harm them and suffer the consequences. That does kinda rule out the dense card though, doesn't it?

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

Of course. Make someone think youre going to harm them and suffer the consequences. That does kinda rule out the dense card though, doesn't it?

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

yep definitely no intent to harm the cop was shown. cop was judge jury and executioner though this one is a little closer to the line of questionable.

neither do we know why he was stopping the kid, dead as a result of a call for spitting on the sidewalk or armed assault?

Like the kid whos mother called the cops so her kid would not hurt himself, cops fixed him permanently.

Despite there are bonafide situations virtually all I have seen posted drives back to negligent cops protected by constructive fraud.

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ORIGINAL: Moderator3

Urgent? Staff got a report that stated this thread needed urgent attention because of one post. For the type of thread it is, it has been rather mild, but there was a post that mentioned other posters maybe wanting to kill, that wasn't the post that was pointed out.

Can you find the urgent post? Help a mod here if you will. Cmail me the post you think that needs staff on an urgent situation if you can find it because I sure can't. It's not funny what gets reported site-wide when someone seeks revenge, doesn't get what they want, doesn't like someone or is fighting with someone. This is a waste of staff time site-wide and a good percentage of the reports we get are false. Hundreds of reports and many of them false? Yes we have time for that!

If you can find the urgent post, I will publicly apologize. If I could send you cookies, I would, but all i can do is admit I was wrong. Take a mod down for something they actually do or just use tickets and reporting to play with their minds or point out how they missed an insulting post in Feisty. I'm smiling, but I would laugh if I wasn't so tired from staying up all night rooting out a person using tor with many accounts that seem fine, but aren't. I guess I don't know what urgent is or something and I need a nap.

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: Moderator3

Urgent? Staff got a report that stated this thread needed urgent attention because of one post. For the type of thread it is, it has been rather mild, but there was a post that mentioned other posters maybe wanting to kill, that wasn't the post that was pointed out.

Can you find the urgent post? Help a mod here if you will. Cmail me the post you think that needs staff on an urgent situation if you can find it because I sure can't. It's not funny what gets reported site-wide when someone seeks revenge, doesn't get what they want, doesn't like someone or is fighting with someone. This is a waste of staff time site-wide and a good percentage of the reports we get are false. Hundreds of reports and many of them false? Yes we have time for that!

If you can find the urgent post, I will publicly apologize. If I could send you cookies, I would, but all i can do is admit I was wrong. Take a mod down for something they actually do or just use tickets and reporting to play with their minds or point out how they missed an insulting post in Feisty. I'm smiling, but I would laugh if I wasn't so tired from staying up all night rooting out a person using tor with many accounts that seem fine, but aren't. I guess I don't know what urgent is or something and I need a nap.

The only thing even close to that on this thread, that I can see, would be post 78, where it's referenced that the author thought people on here would like to kill somebody. But, it was obviously not a threat. Perhaps that was misunderstood.