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RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Da... - 6/10/2015 10:01:52 PM   
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The Guardian, why not depend on the Inquirer?



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"The Guardian is a British centre-left national daily newspaper.
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In August 2013 The Guardian in paper form had an average daily circulation of 189,000 copies, behind The Daily Telegraph and The Times, and ahead of The Independent.[5] The newspaper's online edition was the third most widely read in the world as of June 2012.[6] Its combined print and online editions reach nearly 9 million readers.[7]
In the 2015 UK general election, The Guardian endorsed the Labour Party.[8] In the previous general election it supported the Liberal Democrats.
Notable scoops include the newspaper's breaking of the News International phone hacking scandal in 2011, particularly with the revelation of the hacking of murdered teenager Milly Dowler's phone.[10] The investigation brought about the closure of one of the highest circulation newspapers in the world, the News of the World.[11] The newspaper also broke news of the secret collection of Verizon telephone records held by Barack Obama's administration in June 2013,[12] and subsequently revealed the existence of the PRISM surveillance program after it was leaked to the paper by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden.[13] The Guardian was named newspaper of the year at the 2014 British Press Awards, for its reporting on government surveillance."

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Are you seriously suggesting that the Inquirer and The Guardian share the same standing?

Yes, it is a left wing rag having had such notables as Piers Morgan on their staff, as I said I would as soon depend on the Inquirer. The fact remains that the DOJ went to Ferguson already convinced they would nail Wilson and even they found he acted properly. A fact not changed by your devotion to the Guardian or my contempt for it.

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RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Da... - 6/11/2015 1:49:03 AM   
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You are seriously misinformed about 'The Guardian'. For example, contrary to your allegation, the odious Piers Morgan has never worked for the Guardian. Morgan made his reputation (such as it is) working for Murdoch's infamous tabloids such as the Daily Mirror. SOURCE

The Guardian is an internationally respected broadsheet paper, the recipient of numerous awards and in my experience, a reputable and reliable publisher of the news without fear or favour. It broke international headline stories such as the telephone hacking scandal, the wikileaks papers and Snowden's revelations about the US Govt spying on its own citizens. You ought to be grateful for that (last) story - it confirms many of your biases about your own Govt.

The fact that it publishes content not to your liking doesn't detract from that excellent reputation one iota. In fact my guess is that you would be far better informed if you read it regularly (there is a US edition online). Your current sources of information are letting you down repeatedly.



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RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Da... - 6/11/2015 6:36:56 AM   
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The Guardian prints more detailed news on its front page than the whole of the inquirer or the enquirer....put together.
he would be happier with the SUN im guessing.
The problem becomes when a low information reader, cant refute facts, and gets caught up in the rhetoric of blaming it on the politics of the info.....
Now if there is some factual information about the lack of factual info in the Guardian id love to see it. Regarding this topic specifically.

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RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Da... - 6/11/2015 10:12:25 AM   
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You are seriously misinformed about 'The Guardian'. For example, contrary to your allegation, the odious Piers Morgan has never worked for the Guardian. Morgan made his reputation (such as it is) working for Murdoch's infamous tabloids such as the Daily Mirror. SOURCE

The Guardian is an internationally respected broadsheet paper, the recipient of numerous awards and in my experience, a reputable and reliable publisher of the news without fear or favour. It broke international headline stories such as the telephone hacking scandal, the wikileaks papers and Snowden's revelations about the US Govt spying on its own citizens. You ought to be grateful for that (last) story - it confirms many of your biases about your own Govt.

The fact that it publishes content not to your liking doesn't detract from that excellent reputation one iota. In fact my guess is that you would be far better informed if you read it regularly (there is a US edition online). Your current sources of information are letting you down repeatedly.



Won't argue about the paper that you put such faith in. The fact is that the case THEY use as the basis for outrage was one proven justified, even by people determined to prove otherwise. That fact is the one of importance that discredits the story. Side issues are red herrings to distract from the fact that they blew it.

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RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Da... - 6/11/2015 11:47:30 AM   
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You are seriously misinformed about 'The Guardian'. For example, contrary to your allegation, the odious Piers Morgan has never worked for the Guardian. Morgan made his reputation (such as it is) working for Murdoch's infamous tabloids such as the Daily Mirror. SOURCE

The Guardian is an internationally respected broadsheet paper, the recipient of numerous awards and in my experience, a reputable and reliable publisher of the news without fear or favour. It broke international headline stories such as the telephone hacking scandal, the wikileaks papers and Snowden's revelations about the US Govt spying on its own citizens. You ought to be grateful for that (last) story - it confirms many of your biases about your own Govt.

The fact that it publishes content not to your liking doesn't detract from that excellent reputation one iota. In fact my guess is that you would be far better informed if you read it regularly (there is a US edition online). Your current sources of information are letting you down repeatedly.



Won't argue about the paper that you put such faith in. The fact is that the case THEY use as the basis for outrage was one proven justified, even by people determined to prove otherwise. That fact is the one of importance that discredits the story. Side issues are red herrings to distract from the fact that they blew it.



I love how everything with her is odious or a monster yet she gives advice not to go off on emotionally stray side paths.

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RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Da... - 6/11/2015 12:05:44 PM   
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You are seriously misinformed about 'The Guardian'. For example, contrary to your allegation, the odious Piers Morgan has never worked for the Guardian. Morgan made his reputation (such as it is) working for Murdoch's infamous tabloids such as the Daily Mirror. SOURCE

The Guardian is an internationally respected broadsheet paper, the recipient of numerous awards and in my experience, a reputable and reliable publisher of the news without fear or favour. It broke international headline stories such as the telephone hacking scandal, the wikileaks papers and Snowden's revelations about the US Govt spying on its own citizens. You ought to be grateful for that (last) story - it confirms many of your biases about your own Govt.

The fact that it publishes content not to your liking doesn't detract from that excellent reputation one iota. In fact my guess is that you would be far better informed if you read it regularly (there is a US edition online). Your current sources of information are letting you down repeatedly.



Won't argue about the paper that you put such faith in. The fact is that the case THEY use as the basis for outrage was one proven justified, even by people determined to prove otherwise. That fact is the one of importance that discredits the story. Side issues are red herrings to distract from the fact that they blew it.



I love how everything with her is odious or a monster yet she gives advice not to go off on emotionally stray side paths.

That is because she thinks everything she says is rational and carefully thought out so opposition must be irrational and emotional, and no doubt narrow minded and racist, like her view of Israel.

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RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Da... - 6/11/2015 12:17:20 PM   
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I blame fat females. If they did not eat so much, they would present a slimmer target and be more agile and more adept at avoiding being beaten up by their husband, and not being beaten up, there would have been no need for alerting the police and therefore no need for their mouth foaming husband to attack the police and therefore no need for the police to shoot dead their mouth foaming husband. It is all really simple, really. There ought to be a law prohibiting females from eating too much and becoming fat. I call on all wife-beating husbands to write to their representative in parliament and to ask them to introduce such a law.


Still mad as fuck this lad.

From (alleged) police malpractice to 'fat women' in one fell swoop.

Also read your post the other night about the black Santa Claus or something like that, and you're definitely on some serious mind bending drugs.




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RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Da... - 6/11/2015 4:42:11 PM   
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Yes, it is a left wing rag having had such notables as Piers Morgan on their staff, as I said I would as soon depend on the Inquirer. The fact remains that the DOJ went to Ferguson already convinced they would nail Wilson and even they found he acted properly. A fact not changed by your devotion to the Guardian or my contempt for it.


I know he wont ever read this but wtf.

Piers Morgan, opportunist shit that he is, has never ever worked for the Guardian.

Bama cant stand the figures showing there were a similar number of people shot and killed by police in 24 years as there were by police in the US in the first 24 days of 2015. So he decides to shoot the messenger, pun fully intended.

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RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Da... - 6/12/2015 4:57:33 AM   
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Won't argue about the paper that you put such faith in. The fact is that the case THEY use as the basis for outrage was one proven justified, even by people determined to prove otherwise. That fact is the one of importance that discredits the story. Side issues are red herrings to distract from the fact that they blew it.


I really don't understand the basis for your complaint. To me you seem to be reading some meaning into the Guardian's text that isn't there. Here is the quote in full with the relevant part bolded:
"[i]Still, looking at our data for the US against admittedly less reliable information on police killings elsewhere paints a dramatic portrait, and one that resonates with protests that have gone global since a killing last year in Ferguson, Missouri: the US is not just some outlier in terms of police violence when compared with countries of similar economic and political standing.
America is the outlier – and this is what a crisis looks like."

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/09/the-counted-police-killings-us-vs-other-countries

To me, the article uses the Ferguson incident simply as a chronological reference point, as the point in time when protests against police killings went from local to global. It says nothing whatsoever about what the rights and wrongs of the Ferguson incident are or were. I cannot see how you arrive at the claim:
"The fact is that the case THEY use as the basis for outrage was one proven justified, even by people determined to prove otherwise. That fact is the one of importance that discredits the story".
There is nothing in the text to indicate that the Guardian report is using the Ferguson incident as the "basis for outrage" you claim it is. So I am unable to see any basis for your claim that this discredits the whole piece.

Perhaps you could explain your reasoning. Hopefully that will throw some light on how you arrived at the conclusion you did.

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RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Da... - 6/12/2015 8:39:40 AM   
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Won't argue about the paper that you put such faith in. The fact is that the case THEY use as the basis for outrage was one proven justified, even by people determined to prove otherwise. That fact is the one of importance that discredits the story. Side issues are red herrings to distract from the fact that they blew it.


I really don't understand the basis for your complaint. To me you seem to be reading some meaning into the Guardian's text that isn't there. Here is the quote in full with the relevant part bolded:
"[i]Still, looking at our data for the US against admittedly less reliable information on police killings elsewhere paints a dramatic portrait, and one that resonates with protests that have gone global since a killing last year in Ferguson, Missouri: the US is not just some outlier in terms of police violence when compared with countries of similar economic and political standing.
America is the outlier – and this is what a crisis looks like."

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/09/the-counted-police-killings-us-vs-other-countries

To me, the article uses the Ferguson incident simply as a chronological reference point, as the point in time when protests against police killings went from local to global. It says nothing whatsoever about what the rights and wrongs of the Ferguson incident are or were. I cannot see how you arrive at the claim:
"The fact is that the case THEY use as the basis for outrage was one proven justified, even by people determined to prove otherwise. That fact is the one of importance that discredits the story".
There is nothing in the text to indicate that the Guardian report is using the Ferguson incident as the "basis for outrage" you claim it is. So I am unable to see any basis for your claim that this discredits the whole piece.

Perhaps you could explain your reasoning. Hopefully that will throw some light on how you arrived at the conclusion you did.

And there you go. Exactly. Everything you bolded was not news, it was opinion. Opinion from a news paper that, on another thread, was shown to be racist and in the top ten of biased reporting. While that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, it does point to the fact that it's more sensationalism then fact. Big drama for big drama queens to feel hate.

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RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Da... - 6/12/2015 8:54:02 AM   
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And there you go. Exactly. Everything you bolded was not news, it was opinion. Opinion from a news paper that, on another thread, was shown to be racist and in the top ten of biased reporting. While that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, it does point to the fact that it's more sensationalism then fact. Big drama for big drama queens to feel hate.


Kind of interesting that collarchats' extreme leftist members are always quoting that one particular "left of center" fishwrap

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RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Da... - 6/13/2015 7:33:49 PM   
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CNN Infobabe Fights back

CNN Anchor Refers to Dallas Gunman's Actions as 'Courageous and Brave'

(If a moron says something moronic on CNN and nobodys watching...)

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RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Da... - 6/13/2015 7:38:55 PM   
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CNN Infobabe Fights back

CNN Anchor Refers to Dallas Gunman's Actions as 'Courageous and Brave'

(If a moron says something moronic on CNN and nobodys watching...)

Yep she still said it.
How could any sane person say something like that?

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RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Da... - 6/13/2015 10:41:16 PM   
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CNN Infobabe Fights back

CNN Anchor Refers to Dallas Gunman's Actions as 'Courageous and Brave'

(If a moron says something moronic on CNN and nobodys watching...)

Yep she still said it.
How could any sane person say something like that?



could this be a shift where the news media is tired of being held hostage like most others in this country now days?

problem is politicians create this shit mess and the people have to clean it up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYnuSsM7tRw

Its no longer a minority



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RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Da... - 6/13/2015 11:21:13 PM   
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CNN Infobabe Fights back

CNN Anchor Refers to Dallas Gunman's Actions as 'Courageous and Brave'

(If a moron says something moronic on CNN and nobodys watching...)

Yep she still said it.
How could any sane person say something like that?

I'm not sure she meant to. No doubt using the words "courageous and brave" was certainly professional-grade stupid but I don't think she was trying to imply there was anything heroic about it. After all, she followed it with "crazy". I got the impression she was looking for a word like "bold" but in the moment couldn't pull it out of her head.

Then again, you couldn't pay me to watch CNN so I suppose it's possible she's that kind of twat.

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RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Da... - 6/13/2015 11:23:34 PM   
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Maybe she had watched 'Liberty Valance' and heard the song a few too many times ?

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RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Da... - 6/13/2015 11:36:07 PM   
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Maybe she had watched 'Liberty Valance' and heard the song a few too many times ?



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RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Da... - 6/14/2015 1:47:43 AM   
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To me you [BamaD] seem to be reading some meaning into the Guardian's text that isn't there. Here is the quote in full with the relevant part bolded:
"[i]Still, looking at our data for the US against admittedly less reliable information on police killings elsewhere paints a dramatic portrait, and one that resonates with protests that have gone global since a killing last year in Ferguson, Missouri"
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/09/the-counted-police-killings-us-vs-other-countries

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Everything you [tweakabelle] bolded was not news, it was opinion.

Really? It now seems that Hunter is unable to distinguish between fact and opinion.

This is the section of the text I bolded: "one that resonates with protests that have gone global since a killing last year in Ferguson, Missouri".
It reports 4 facts:
1. The picture of police killings "resonates" ("chiefly US (Of an idea or action) meet with agreement:" http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/resonate ) with the data on police killings in the US versus police killings overseas and connects the data and the protests described in the remainder of the sentence. The resonance is a fact not an opinion as any review of the data and history itself will demonstrate;
2, "protests"; There have been numerous protests against police brutality across the US. That there have been protests is a fact; and;
3. global[ly] The protests have been international subsequent to fact#4 (below). Also a fact.
4. The protests have gained momentum since the Ferguson killing. Also a fact (It could be argued that the very existence of this thread in part confirms this fact). The growing protests also confirm the resonance referred to in 1.
The relevant part-sentence was an accurate and non-sensational reporting of a series of facts. Not a single opinion there. That these facts are "news" is self evident.

Therefore either Hunter doesn't know the difference between a fact and an opinion, or facts have somehow ceased to be facts and Hunter is correct, or there is no difference between a fact and an opinion, in which case Hunter is also correct. That's a pretty easy decision to make. Ditto for "news" and "opinion".

So, judging by his own words, we can add news, facts and opinions to the already long list of subjects that Hunter pontificates loudly about but appears to be quite ignorant.

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RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Da... - 6/14/2015 5:19:14 AM   
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Opinion from a news paper that, on another thread, was shown to be racist and in the top ten of biased reporting. While that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, it does point to the fact that it's more sensationalism then fact. Big drama for big drama queens to feel hate.



I've read The Guardian from time to time, and at no point I have thought the paper is 'racist'.

In terms of top 10 biased reporting, I wonder, what is the criteria for said bias.

All newspapers are biased. Firstly, articles are written by people with certain views of the world; secondly, they're businesses and want to maintain a readership.

The Guardian is no more or less biased than say The Telegraph. Both have underlying political views that inform the writing of articles; neither will rock the boat by informing you of the less palatable deeds of the British administration.

Neither The Guardian nor The Telegraph will inform you of anything of substance that you didn't already know.


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RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Da... - 6/14/2015 9:14:29 AM   
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The claim of bias made against The Guardian was made by a group called honestreporting.com after a survey or vote by its members.

Wiki describes honestreporting.com as "HonestReporting (also Honest Reporting or honestreporting.com) is a pro-Israel,[1][2] non-governmental organization that monitors the media for what it perceives as bias against Israel."
[snip....]
HonestReporting says of itself that it is "an organization dedicated to defending Israel against prejudice in the Media, we aim to provide educational tools and resources to anyone wishing to advocate for Israel." HonestReporting, Our Mission, accessed 18 July 2009"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HonestReporting

So basically it's a bunch of Israeli fanatics upset at the Guardian's reporting of Israel's behaviour, and only a fool or a pro-Israel fanatic would take such a survey result seriously once they are acquainted with the source of the ridiculous claim. This claim has already been advanced and debunked on the BDS thread* yet that doesn't seem to stop certain people from repeating it .......

* See posts 74 & 80 here: http://www.collarchat.com/m_4813971/mpage_4/tm.htm

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