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tweakabelle -> RE: are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? (6/10/2015 7:11:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle We have had similar problems with the police here, especially when it comes to relations between the police and Aborigines and other minority groups. The police have a dual role. On one hand they are required to enforce the law. OTOH they are supposed to be peace officers, they are also tasked with keeping the peace. At this distance, it appears that there is an unresolved conflict of interest between these twin roles in some sections of the US police. Distance and filtered through sources that put cops in the worst possible light. I really wish you didn't jump to conclusions like this. This is an issue that is covered regularly by the mainstream media here, and internationally. Here's just one example of the way the issue is treated in the very middle-of-the-road broadsheet Sydney Morning Herald: http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-police-shootings-public-outrage-grows-as-video-evidence-takes-centre-stage-20150414-1mke7n.html If you are concerned about the way the US police are covered in the media, perhaps it might be an idea to do something to help prevent the ugly incidents that regularly feature brutality by sections of the US police, rather than the kneejerk defences that seek to exculpate the US police in just about every post I have seen from you on this issue. And if you think it's just mindless anti-Americanism on my behalf, I refer you to the opening sentence of my post - "We have had similar problems with the police here ...."

BamaD -> RE: are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? (6/10/2015 7:36:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle We have had similar problems with the police here, especially when it comes to relations between the police and Aborigines and other minority groups. The police have a dual role. On one hand they are required to enforce the law. OTOH they are supposed to be peace officers, they are also tasked with keeping the peace. At this distance, it appears that there is an unresolved conflict of interest between these twin roles in some sections of the US police. Distance and filtered through sources that put cops in the worst possible light. I really wish you didn't jump to conclusions like this. This is an issue that is covered regularly by the mainstream media here, and internationally. Here's just one example of the way the issue is treated in the very middle-of-the-road broadsheet Sydney Morning Herald: http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-police-shootings-public-outrage-grows-as-video-evidence-takes-centre-stage-20150414-1mke7n.html If you are concerned about the way the US police are covered in the media, perhaps it might be an idea to do something to help prevent the ugly incidents that regularly feature brutality by sections of the US police, rather than the kneejerk defences that seek to exculpate the US police in just about every post I have seen from you on this issue. And if you think it's just mindless anti-Americanism on my behalf, I refer you to the opening sentence of my post - "We have had similar problems with the police here ...." If you paid attention you would know that in most cases when all of the facts come out the truth is far more in favor of the police than in the original story. I often defend the police, and when the facts come out I am virtually always vindicated. There have been almost as many times that I have stated the police were wrong as when I said they were right. You and most of the left take "lets wait for all of the facts" as saying the police were right. You on the other hand have never found an incident where the police were (in your Godlike opinion) right. You believe every accusation against them even after they are proven wrong.

kdsub -> RE: are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? (6/10/2015 7:44:29 AM)
tweak if you have a relative small percentage of the total population perpetrating the VAST MAJORITY of crime is it not reasonable that there will be more police involvement with this portion of the population? This is what is happening... the police are doing their mandated job. It is not to keep the peace but to guarantee it. This means enforcing the law that all races have to abide by. There is of course bad policing...and in the million or so police officers a criminal element... but reasonable people with an unbiased view see where the real problems are...In the community itself not the police. There is just no way around facts...crime in the black communities around this country is rampant. This crime has nothing to do with racism but more the attitude of the African American community. It would be different I suppose if the crime in black communities was lashing out at oppression but its not... It is mostly directed within. It is a lifestyle that allows or even to some extent promotes violence. It is evident in crime... music...and disrespect for themselves and others. It needs to change and if it does so will the confrontations with police. Butch

tweakabelle -> RE: are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? (6/10/2015 7:44:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD If you paid attention you would know that in most cases when all of the facts come out the truth is far more in favor of the police than in the original story. I often defend the police, and when the facts come out I am virtually always vindicated. There have been almost as many times that I have stated the police were wrong as when I said they were right. You and most of the left take "lets wait for all of the facts" as saying the police were right. You on the other hand have never found an incident where the police were (in your Godlike opinion) right. You believe every accusation against them even after they are proven wrong. Have you considered pretending you are an adult? While posts will never merit anything beyond the infantile label, with some good acting, some self belief, lots of chutzpah and (I know this is a big ask, but please bear with me) some occasionally intelligent content (feel free to copy and paste) you might actually be able to successfully masquerade as a thinking adult every now and then. Just think about that wonderful feeling of achievement you will experience! I wish you the best of luck with this exciting project. Break a leg, as they say in show business! [:)]

BamaD -> RE: are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? (6/10/2015 7:55:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD If you paid attention you would know that in most cases when all of the facts come out the truth is far more in favor of the police than in the original story. I often defend the police, and when the facts come out I am virtually always vindicated. There have been almost as many times that I have stated the police were wrong as when I said they were right. You and most of the left take "lets wait for all of the facts" as saying the police were right. You on the other hand have never found an incident where the police were (in your Godlike opinion) right. You believe every accusation against them even after they are proven wrong. Have you considered pretending you are an adult? While posts will never merit anything beyond the infantile label, with some good acting, some self belief, lots of chutzpah and (I know this is a big ask, but please bear with me) some occasionally intelligent content (feel free to copy and paste) you might actually be able to successfully masquerade as a thinking adult every now and then. Just think about that wonderful feeling of achievement you will experience! I wish you the best of luck with this exciting project. Break a leg, as they say in show business! [:)] And as always when called on the carpet you fall back on your limitless arrogance and hide behind your baseless claims of wisdom beyond the scope of we mere mortals. You keep promising not to talk to me anymore (I know you didn't this time) but I guess your word is as meaningless as your posts.

Politesub53 -> RE: are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? (6/10/2015 4:03:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I think blacks need to give the same respect they are always demanding. In almost every one of these incidents over the last year the blacks involved were disrespectful and refused to cooperate and forced police officers to respond with force. Then protest the outcomes. In Ferguson...If the boy did not attack the officer and try to get his gun he would be alive today. In New York... if the man had not resisted arrest he would be alive today. In S Carolina if the man had not run and when caught struggle with the taser he would be alive today. In the latest incident in Texas... if the teens had reacted with respect and followed instructions their would not have been the altercation. I am not saying the responses of these officers were correct... they certainly were not... but in most every incident they had no choice but to respond with force. There is a problem with violence and disrespect for the law in many black communities that is NOT the fault of the local police forces. The fault lies within and must be addressed their before blame is placed elsewhere. Four more black men and women shot and killed in ST. Louis TODAY...now for this year 78 black men and woman killed by black men and women...how the hell is this anyone's fault but the black community itself... NOT the police department. Butch FYI, the cop who shot the man in the back has been charged with murder. Colour me stupid but I would think shooting a man eight times in the back is a bit unreasonable just because he was running away. Nothing in his actions gave the cop the right to kill him.

HunterCA -> RE: are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? (6/10/2015 4:13:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD If you paid attention you would know that in most cases when all of the facts come out the truth is far more in favor of the police than in the original story. I often defend the police, and when the facts come out I am virtually always vindicated. There have been almost as many times that I have stated the police were wrong as when I said they were right. You and most of the left take "lets wait for all of the facts" as saying the police were right. You on the other hand have never found an incident where the police were (in your Godlike opinion) right. You believe every accusation against them even after they are proven wrong. Have you considered pretending you are an adult? While posts will never merit anything beyond the infantile label, with some good acting, some self belief, lots of chutzpah and (I know this is a big ask, but please bear with me) some occasionally intelligent content (feel free to copy and paste) you might actually be able to successfully masquerade as a thinking adult every now and then. Just think about that wonderful feeling of achievement you will experience! I wish you the best of luck with this exciting project. Break a leg, as they say in show business! [:)] And as always when called on the carpet you fall back on your limitless arrogance and hide behind your baseless claims of wisdom beyond the scope of we mere mortals. You keep promising not to talk to me anymore (I know you didn't this time) but I guess your word is as meaningless as your posts. Lol, she's an eight year old drama queen still on the school yard battling the other little girls for popularity. It's funnier than shit actually.

kdsub -> RE: are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? (6/10/2015 7:46:58 PM)
quote: FYI, the cop who shot the man in the back has been charged with murder. Colour me stupid but I would think shooting a man eight times in the back is a bit unreasonable just because he was running away. Nothing in his actions gave the cop the right to kill him. No it did not and he will face chargers...even though he will never be convicted of murder... but like i said.. If he had not run... if he had not fought off the officer and try to take his taser... he would be alive today... HE FORCED the office to use force. You or i would not run... you or i would not fight an arrest... you and i would not try to take his taser.... BUT you and i would not shoot him in the back either... But this is not the point I am making. Butch

tj444 -> RE: are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? (6/11/2015 9:14:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 FYI, the cop who shot the man in the back has been charged with murder. Colour me stupid but I would think shooting a man eight times in the back is a bit unreasonable just because he was running away. Nothing in his actions gave the cop the right to kill him. but in the US a cop being charged does not mean he will be found guilty of murder.. the cop that shot at the car (in my previous post's links) fired 49 bullets into the car (talk about unreasonable), he was charged but found not guilty.. there were 2 dozen bullets in each of the 2 dead people.. 75 cops fired a total of 137 bullets into the car when it was parked in a parking lot.. someones bullets killed them.. The problem is that even if cops are charged with assault or murder, they are very rarely ever found guilty of anything.. and of course the cops know that nothing or very little will happen to them..

tj444 -> RE: are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? (6/11/2015 9:19:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: FYI, the cop who shot the man in the back has been charged with murder. Colour me stupid but I would think shooting a man eight times in the back is a bit unreasonable just because he was running away. Nothing in his actions gave the cop the right to kill him. No it did not and he will face chargers...even though he will never be convicted of murder... but like i said.. If he had not run... if he had not fought off the officer and try to take his taser... he would be alive today... HE FORCED the office to use force. You or i would not run... you or i would not fight an arrest... you and i would not try to take his taser.... BUT you and i would not shoot him in the back either... But this is not the point I am making. Butch as I recall, the officer had no probable grounds to stop the man in the first place.. so even tho the man walked/ran away when he saw the cops (in all probability cuz he didnt want to be harassed/illegally stopped), there was no probable grounds to chase him..

JVoV -> RE: are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? (6/11/2015 9:23:02 AM)
Which one was this?

kdsub -> RE: are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? (6/11/2015 9:27:44 AM)
I know what I am going to say will start some people raging… but I decided long ago not to back off of the truth, as I see it anyway, just to be politically correct. The murder charge is just politically expedient in this case. It is meant to defuse unrest knowing it will not stand in a court of law. Much in the same way that in Ferguson Missouri the Wilson case was sent to a grand jury. They also knew a charge of murder would not be brought. Realistically his police officer could be convicted of aggravated assault or at the most manslaughter. Murder will not stand and should not stand. I believe the final outcome will be a plea bargain without jail time, or at least very little, and if it were to go to trial on the charge of murder he will be acquitted. There is just too much blame on the hands of the victim for a jury to convict the police officer of murder. Don’t believe me?…. Lets revisit this thread when this case is adjudicated. Butch

tj444 -> RE: are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? (6/11/2015 10:04:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV Which one was this? no, thinking more about it, it was a different man.. i remember posting about it in a thread a while back (Freddie Gray whose spine was broken in the back of a police van and died).. there are so many of these incidents its hard to keep them all straight..

kdsub -> RE: are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? (6/11/2015 10:06:34 AM)
He did have grounds ... I have been stopped for stop or directional lights out... it is nothing unusual. The officer approached the car and spoke with respect to the driver. It all went down hill when he bolted from the car... and tragic events followed. What was the officer to do?.... he had no choice then but to attempt to arrest him. He did have a choice when it came to deadly force and he will have to face the consequences of his actions. Butch

tj444 -> RE: are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? (6/11/2015 10:11:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub He did have grounds ... I have been stopped for stop or directional lights out... it is nothing unusual. The officer approached the car and spoke with respect to the driver. It all went down hill when he bolted from the car... and tragic events followed. What was the officer to do?.... he had no choice then but to attempt to arrest him. He did have a choice when it came to deadly force and he will have to face the consequences of his actions. Butch no, i was wrong about that, I was thinking about a different man and different incident.. the man i was thinking about was not in a vehicle at all...

BamaD -> RE: are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? (6/11/2015 10:17:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 FYI, the cop who shot the man in the back has been charged with murder. Colour me stupid but I would think shooting a man eight times in the back is a bit unreasonable just because he was running away. Nothing in his actions gave the cop the right to kill him. but in the US a cop being charged does not mean he will be found guilty of murder.. the cop that shot at the car (in my previous post's links) fired 49 bullets into the car (talk about unreasonable), he was charged but found not guilty.. there were 2 dozen bullets in each of the 2 dead people.. 75 cops fired a total of 137 bullets into the car when it was parked in a parking lot.. someones bullets killed them.. The problem is that even if cops are charged with assault or murder, they are very rarely ever found guilty of anything.. and of course the cops know that nothing or very little will happen to them.. News flash in this country being charged with a crime doesn't mean you will be convicted no matter who you are.

Sanity -> RE: are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? (6/11/2015 10:35:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 there are so many of these incidents its hard to keep them all straight.. There are hundreds of millions of people in this country, of course there are many incidents. Not all of them get media attention though Usually when they fit the narrative, you hear the spin on it that they want you to hear

HunterCA -> RE: are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? (6/11/2015 11:37:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 FYI, the cop who shot the man in the back has been charged with murder. Colour me stupid but I would think shooting a man eight times in the back is a bit unreasonable just because he was running away. Nothing in his actions gave the cop the right to kill him. but in the US a cop being charged does not mean he will be found guilty of murder.. the cop that shot at the car (in my previous post's links) fired 49 bullets into the car (talk about unreasonable), he was charged but found not guilty.. there were 2 dozen bullets in each of the 2 dead people.. 75 cops fired a total of 137 bullets into the car when it was parked in a parking lot.. someones bullets killed them.. The problem is that even if cops are charged with assault or murder, they are very rarely ever found guilty of anything.. and of course the cops know that nothing or very little will happen to them.. What's the number that above is unreasonable and below is reasonable, especially if they are shooting at you and you have more bullets?

MercTech -> RE: are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? (6/11/2015 3:24:17 PM)
Meh, police work tends to concentrate people who think "rules are RULES" and don't react well to zero respect for anyone thuggites. Too often police end up with "cuff em all and let the magistrate sort it out" when presented with people that consider the way to get their point across is to yell it louder than anyone else around. Now if that kind of stress is added to a force that considers "There are only two types of people in this world; Police and potential criminals." you get teens tossed to the ground and cuffed whenever they sass the pigs. (BTW, that two types line is a direct quote from a watch captain at Norfolk, Va. PD)

Politesub53 -> RE: are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? (6/11/2015 4:03:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: FYI, the cop who shot the man in the back has been charged with murder. Colour me stupid but I would think shooting a man eight times in the back is a bit unreasonable just because he was running away. Nothing in his actions gave the cop the right to kill him. No it did not and he will face chargers...even though he will never be convicted of murder... but like i said.. If he had not run... if he had not fought off the officer and try to take his taser... he would be alive today... HE FORCED the office to use force. You or i would not run... you or i would not fight an arrest... you and i would not try to take his taser.... BUT you and i would not shoot him in the back either... But this is not the point I am making. Butch No one FORCED the officer to use force, thats just bollocks. The officer decided to use force. Nice to see you pre-empt the Jury though.

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