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As typical the facts are conveniently left out to push a political ideaology....
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
Affirmative Action Lands in the Air Traffic Control Tower
The Obama administration forces the Federal Aviation Administration to move away from merit-based hiring criteria... Until 2013, the FAA gave hiring preference to controller applicants who earned a degree from one of its Collegiate Training Initiative schools and scored high enough on an eight-hour screening test called the Air Traffic Selection and Training exam, or AT-SAT, which measures cognitive skills. The Obama administration, however, determined that the process excluded too many from minority groups.
This 'piece' comes from FOX 'news'. It has been very well established over the past few decades that FOX 'news' is just the mouthpiece of the GOP/TP. The language and ideas would be with a conservative slant on viewpoint. Good journalism is thrown away in favor of pushing attacks on Democrats and defending Republicans from wrong on every level.
This 'piece' can only be viewed with a subscription. So Kirata, doesn't give the whole story, and thus, doesn't show the whole piece is one large 'bullshit' article to attack the President. Affirmative Action has been in Air Traffic Control Towers for over thirty years. Likewise, there are required levels of study and practice needed to even THINK of applying for the job. This too has been around over over thirty years.
To become an Air Traffic Controller, Per the FINAL AUTHORITY, the Federal Aviation Administration:
1 ) Be a United States citizen
2 ) Start at the FAA Academy no later than your 31st birthday
3 ) Pass a medical examination
4 ) Pass a security investigation
5 ) Have three years of progressively responsible work experience, or a Bachelor's degree, or a combination of post-secondary education and work experience that totals three years.
6 ) Pass the FAA air traffic pre-employment tests
7 ) Speak English clearly enough to be understood over communications equipment
SOURCE: FAA
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
The thread title comes from the ABC News coverage:
FAA changes hiring practices for air traffic controllers ignoring qualified students and vets
Thousands of potential FAA air traffic control trainees, with College Initiative Training (CTI) degrees or previous military experience, have been told by the federal agency they are no longer eligible for job interviews. Instead, the FAA has decided to accept less qualified applicants, apparently to satisfy concerns that the agency needs a more diverse workforce.
Welcome to the friendlier skies of the New America.
For a conservative guy, I'm rather surprised you are supporting this material.
1 ) There are 36 schools that have a CTI Degree in the United States of America (4 year degree program). The FAA has no control over who decides to take these courses nor be given a degree for such work. Yet there are a limited number of possible positions open in a year. Some of those are hired from the three 'pools' of candidates: CTI holders, veterans, or 'general population' (i.e. people with 4 year degrees that didnt take the CTI training plan). Yes those 'off the street' are jokers with Bachelor degrees (or even Masters).
If you wish to say that certain others get hired due to political connections, I could say the same of many other places in which people got jobs thanks to the GOP/TP connections. An that your not making any posts/threads in anger over the process shows the hypocrisy!
2 ) Try to follow along with this quote from your source:
"FAA's telling us nothing," said Kuhlmann. "They say that they treasure the relationship that they've built with us, but what they're saying and what their actions are don't jive together."
Kuhlmann argues, as does the Association of CTI schools, that the FAA is taking less qualified applicants that have no clear aptitude for the job. In the end, they say, the policy will will cost taxpayers millions.
Kuhlmann reasoned that because students have already paid for their own initial training by attending schools like Metro State, they will have "less time at the facility, less per diem. They're not on the payroll for those six weeks. They're not put up in a hotel for those six weeks."
What this piece states is: The federal government should inform us first on any and all changes, so we can keep making money in education. Further, that we can tell those uninformed they will be guaranteed a job after getting a CTI degree. Still further, that our degree holders are 'better' than those 'hired off the streets' (the ones already mentioned with Bachelor/Master degrees in similar/different backgrounds with training). The Professor does try to make the 'pitch' that those 'off the street' are less able for political reasons related to the education system. Because if possible candidates could obtain an Air Traffic Controller position without needing a CTI-degree (but a BS/BA or better), those schools could lost many tens of millions (if not hundreds of millions) in lost revenue. So the Professor's 'pitch' makes sense in light of circumstances.
3 ) Next thing to consider (from your source):
"Annie Keinholz, a pilot, finished near the top of her class at Aims Community College and scored a 93 percent on the AT-SAT before the FAA made changes to the hiring process."
And this.....
"Right now I still feel angry…I feel like I wasted three years of my life. I followed the rules, and my faith in the government has just gone downhill," said Keinholz."
Finally this....
"We have hundreds of people sitting around waiting, ready, willing to go take a job, and be qualified and keep our skies safe," said Keinholz. "And the government thinks its ok to do an about face, to take up anybody."
So we have a person whom feels since they got a 'perfect score' they should automatically be given a job. A very 'un-conservative' viewpoint, Kirata. Isn't conservatives (like you) whom constantly bitch about people feeling they should have a job because they deserve it (i.e. President Obama?)? Yet, when you think it serves your political ideology, you ovelook your own political ideals to attack the President (whom didnt make this particular call). In other words, you sacrificed everything and STILL got nothing. That's rather amusing....
Likewise, should the FAA be forced to determine job qualifications (in light of present laws on the books) by the educational system (which you seem to hate), or by what the US Government demands (whom you seem to ALSO hate)?
Be an amusing answer, given how much bullshit your going to have to backpedal to make it sound like your a conservative still....
4 ) Keinholz, whom is fully of rage towards the US Government, for changing the rules, without consulting her; how dare they! This person sounds like someone full of themselves, i.e. "The Government should have hired me, over those 'Master degree holders' because I took the CTI degree and scored a 93 on the AT-SAT. Maybe the job interviewer decided this person was not 'right for their particular tower', with that attitude.....who knows.....
We could always have more paid positions open, and thus, maybe hire someone like Keinholz; but that would require an Act of Congress. Last I checked, Congress is owned by the Republican/Tea Party whom hates to increase budgets for anyone....INCLUDING the FAA! Maybe Keinholz should go blame the correct people in the US Government.....
5 ) The date of that ABC-7 report is 2014. Has the FAA changed things since, or is the Wall Street Journal really 'behind the times' by a full year? Or is the status of Air Traffic Controller's jobs really not that important to the the Wall Street Journal?
ABC put the report out because that's journalism; the WSJ published theirs for a political attack (I did say it came from FOX 'news', didn't I?).
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