Real0ne
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Another thread is being derailed by some left wingers who dont seem to realize that the Sovereign Citizen threat is more of a left wing threat than anything:
"Although most organizations group Sovereign Citizens with other right wing groups, they are quite unique. Sovereigns do not specifically share the 'supremacist' views of the Klan, etc. Their focus is not on individuals (e.g., minorities, Jews, etc.) rather their focus is on government dysfunction and abuse of authority. Their anti-government ideology is arguably more akin to left wing anarchists than right wing Klansmen."
Something the New York Slimes neglected to mention
(May as well preemptively blame George Bush at this point)
(The Klan was always a Democrat organization BTW)
As for the generalized term, “sovereign citizen movement,” the researchers say that while it is often associated with right-wing groups, the ideology of sovereign citizens does not always fit with the association.
“Although most organizations group Sovereign Citizens with other right wing groups, they are quite unique. Sovereigns do not specifically share the ‘supremacist’ views of the Klan, etc. Their focus is not on individuals (e.g., minorities, Jews, etc.) rather their focus is on government dysfunction and abuse of authority. Their anti-government ideology is arguably more akin to left wing anarchists than right wing Klansmen.”
In addition, the officers said that the most valuable open-source materials they use to gather information are the Internet, human intelligence sources, and the media.
START was funded with an initial $12 million grant from the US Department of Homeland Security in 2005. The grant was renewed in 2008. It is supported by the US Department of Homeland Security’s Science and Technology Directorate and receives additional funding from various federal agencies, private foundations, and universities.
Yeh from your link, those damn sovereign citizen terrorists who expose and promote dissent like this:
http://www.collarchat.com/m_4816293/tm.htm
and this:
http://www.collarchat.com/m_4814245/tm.htm
Both the above are pretty dang extreme and as we well know extremism is in violation of US Code!
Thankfully they invested 12 million to root these evil ones out;
Law enforcement is much more concerned about sovereign citizens, Islamic extremists, and militia/patriot group members compared to the fringe groups of the far right, including Christian Identity believers, reconstructed traditionalists (i.e., Odinists), idiosyncratic sectarians (i.e., survivalists), and members of doomsday cults. In fact, sovereign citizens were the top concern of law enforcement, but the concern about whether most groups were a serious terrorist threat actually declined for most groups (e.g., the KKK; Christian Identity; Neo-Nazis; Racist Skinheads; Extremist Environmentalists; Extreme Animal Rights Extremists).
in fact I remember this one:
Since 2000, lone-offender sovereign-citizen extremists have killed six law enforcement officers. In 2010, two Arkansas police officers stopped sovereign-citizen extremists Jerry Kane and his 16-year-old son Joseph during a routine traffic stop on Interstate 40. Joseph Kane jumped out of the vehicle and opened fire with an AK-47 assault rifle, killing both officers.
Jerry Kane had a photographic memory and researched financial law giving seminars on the banking industries mortgage fraud and people were using it in court and getting their houses for free as a result of that fraud.
of course that little factoid will never see the light of day in the media or government reports http://abcnews.go.com/WN/deadly-arkansas-shooting-sovereign-citizens-jerry-kane-joseph/story?id=11065285
and its not like he didnt paint a target on his ass for the government to take full advantage of
"I don't want to kill anybody," Jerry Kane can be heard saying in a video posted on his website. "But if you keep messing with me, that's the way it's going to come out. And if I have to kill one, I'm not going to be able to stop."
Shortly thereafter the shooting of a representative at the same time of the real target: A federal judge, a congressional aide and four others were killed and 12 other people suffered wounds.
Who was understood he intended to rule against the banks in a mortgage case. (the real target, but everyones attention is easily diverted to the senator)
I seen the video clips of Jerry Kane traffic stop and which the police released 'highly edited' and like 911 photos very blurry missing audio and other interesting modifications and the police chiefs son who was killed in that roadside stop, just happened to be a mob connected drug trafficker.
Chinese missile launch off california shore as a result of all that bad debt sold to them, a rerun of what was done to the arabs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rOssVrhQmg
Snowden is most likely the biggest terrorist of them all when he exposed the 'illegal' NSA's PRISM project!
The FBI considers sovereign-citizen extremists as comprising a domestic terrorist movement, which, scattered across the United States, has existed for decades, with well-known members, such as Terry Nichols, who helped plan the Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, bombing. Sovereign citizens do not represent an anarchist group, nor are they a militia, although they sometimes use or buy illegal weapons. (illegal weapons? Nukes?) Rather, they operate as individuals without established leadership and only come together in loosely affiliated groups to train, help each other with paperwork, or socialize and talk about their ideology.<-- wow sounds like the legal right of assembly to me??? They may refer to themselves as “constitutionalists” or “freemen,” which is not necessarily a connection to a specific group, but, rather, an indication that they are free from government control. They follow their own set of laws. While the philosophies and conspiracy theories can vary from person to person, their core beliefs are the same: The government operates outside of its jurisdiction. Because of this belief, they do not recognize federal, state, or local laws, policies, or regulations.1 https://leb.fbi.gov/2011/september/sovereign-citizens-a-growing-domestic-threat-to-law-enforcement
as the justice noted, the government ALWAYS operates within its jurisdiction: http://www.collarchat.com/m_4816293/tm.htm
Just ask them 
Then of course lets not forget the FBI providing REAL explosives to the alleged ME terrorist in the 1993 WTC bombing after telling the terrorist it was going to be a fizzle and later which the alleged terrorists attorney cant even get it into court.
Yes this country does have a terrorist problem indeed.
Anarchy is the arch enemy of all governments since it is rule by law with its core well grounded in stare decis and the requirement for an injured party to sue. We the citizens are held to that premise, but the government operates by rule of 'administrative government code' created by unelected people in oft quasi private/public agencies with its core based in we are the democratic borg collective, resistance is futile and our guns are bigger than your guns. "its da lew" ie there is a wide difference between government and oppression
how about that for leftist LOL
The problem of course is that to even scratch the surface to understand either the anarchist or sovereign positions it requires literally years of legal research.
< Message edited by Real0ne -- 6/18/2015 10:46:20 AM >
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