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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

Bama, would you consider a person who says that the second amendment only applied to muskets would also believe that the first amendment only applied to pamphlets made on ol timey printing presses that were operated by hand. So, that person would believe TV, radio, the Internet, large newspapers, modern magazines, fax machines, office printers and cell phones were not subject to the first amendment because the framers never envisioned them?

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

Bama, would you consider a person who says that the second amendment only applied to muskets would also believe that the first amendment only applied to pamphlets made on ol timey printing presses that were operated by hand. So, that person would believe TV, radio, the Internet, large newspapers, modern magazines, fax machines, office printers and cell phones were not subject to the first amendment because the framers never envisioned them?

They would have to or accept that they are hypocrites.

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

Bama, would you consider a person who says that the second amendment only applied to muskets would also believe that the first amendment only applied to pamphlets made on ol timey printing presses that were operated by hand. So, that person would believe TV, radio, the Internet, large newspapers, modern magazines, fax machines, office printers and cell phones were not subject to the first amendment because the framers never envisioned them?

They would have to or accept that they are hypocrites.

Well, there you are. Any idiot who argued it probably wouldn't understand why he was being called a hypocrite.

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

FR

I suppose if you're not living in middle east than might be

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

Sovereigns... the Free Men... I haven't thought about those guys in years.

The Sovereign views government as a social contract. Our current government's social contract is so onerous that they refuse the contract and declare themselves to be not a part of the body politic.

You find them off and on. The fellow who only deals in cash. Minimizes any interaction with any government entity. And often just insists on being left alone by government.

I think these are the fellows that, in yesteryear, would have been moving to the hills to trap furs. Headed for the territories. Gone to Texas. Not wanting to play civilization and trying to get as far away from it as they could. Certainly most antithetical to the current trend for a nanny state.

Terrorists? Maybe in the warped revisionist homeland security idea of terrorist. But, a terrorist has a political agenda. The sovereigns are outlaws not terrorists. The old school definition of outlaw. They have declared themselves outside the laws of the country and a power unto themselves and themselves alone.

That might be good fodder for a science fiction story. Say, the gubmint declares some of the huge tracts of BLM land "open for sovereigns" and stand back to watch how true anarchists will behave lumped together.

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

Sovereigns... the Free Men... I haven't thought about those guys in years.

The Sovereign views government as a social contract. Our current government's social contract is so onerous that they refuse the contract and declare themselves to be not a part of the body politic.

You find them off and on. The fellow who only deals in cash. Minimizes any interaction with any government entity. And often just insists on being left alone by government.

I think these are the fellows that, in yesteryear, would have been moving to the hills to trap furs. Headed for the territories. Gone to Texas. Not wanting to play civilization and trying to get as far away from it as they could. Certainly most antithetical to the current trend for a nanny state.

Terrorists? Maybe in the warped revisionist homeland security idea of terrorist. But, a terrorist has a political agenda. The sovereigns are outlaws not terrorists. The old school definition of outlaw. They have declared themselves outside the laws of the country and a power unto themselves and themselves alone.

That might be good fodder for a science fiction story. Say, the gubmint declares some of the huge tracts of BLM land "open for sovereigns" and stand back to watch how true anarchists will behave lumped together.

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

FR

I suppose if you're not living in middle east than might be

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Two girls murdered in Texas taxi: Were they honor killings?

WASHINGTON (Thomson Reuters Foundation) - The last words from Sarah were “Oh my God, I’m dying.” Then the 911 emergency operator heard a barrage of gunshots. Sarah, 17, and her sister Amina, 18, were found shot 11 times in the back of their father’s taxi, abandoned in a hotel parking lot.

Their father Yaser Said has not been found since that New Year’s Day seven years ago when he told his daughters to climb into his cab, he was taking them out to dinner.

The chilling emergency call opens the documentary "The Price of Honor", which recounts the lives of two vivacious American teenagers growing up in the Dallas suburb of Irving, Texas, and their attempts to escape the grip of an Egyptian father who planned Muslim marriages.

Their deaths were honor killings, said Ruth Trotter, using a phrase little heard in the United States for a hidden horror of murder by a close relative to protect the family name, but rarely recognized by public safety officials.

Amina was secretly dating Trotter's son, Joseph, and Sarah had a boyfriend too, facts they tried to hide from their father,

"Amina always knew that Yaser was going to murder her, it was just a question of when and where. She made Joseph promise that he would not harm himself, that when she dies he would live," Trotter said in an interview.

He beat the girls and took them to Egypt to find husbands when Amina was 15 and picked one man who was almost 50. She begged and pleaded with her mother to come back home, she said.

Honor violence is a crime without a name in the United States. No data is collected on its prevalence, many people think it happens in countries far, far away from the United States, experts on gender-based violence said.

Its forms range from domestic violence for defying parental authority or behaving "too Westernized," to extreme sexual control including female genital mutilation (FGM), forced marriage and ultimately killings to protect the family's reputation in a conservative community.

A recent study by the U.S. Justice Department quoted research that estimates between 23 and 27 honor killings occur each year in the United States and there are 1,500 forced marriages. But there are no official statistics...

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

I realize that no one asked for my opinion on this...'

(And please feel free to ignore it) But...

Who the f**k cares if they are leftist or rightist?

This looks like a game of neener neener neener

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

I realize that no one asked for my opinion on this...'

(And please feel free to ignore it) But...

Who the f**k cares if they are leftist or rightist?

This looks like a game of neener neener neener

Oh Cloudboy came in high on fairy dust, full of drama about a white killing killing people in a black church. He actually can't discuss black on black killings in Baltimore or Detroit so he deflects things to make evil white conservatives responsible for everything.