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South Carolina to Pull Confederate Flag


Yes, the Confederate Flag is an embarrassment.
  42% (11)
Yes, after this shooting there was not choice about it.
  7% (2)
Yes, but for different reasons.
  11% (3)
No, the Flag is not racist in any way.
  19% (5)
No, the Flag deserves to stay.
  19% (5)


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RE: South Carolina to Pull Confederate Flag - 6/25/2015 5:52:00 AM   
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RE: South Carolina to Pull Confederate Flag - 6/25/2015 5:52:17 AM   
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Not only that but no one was complaining about this flag for 50 years since after the civil rights movement. This is just political correctness taken to an extreme for liberal political brownie points.

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RE: South Carolina to Pull Confederate Flag - 6/25/2015 5:58:57 AM   
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I agree that there are absurd cases where these things are taken to the extreme - from all parts of the political spectrum.

I would also have to concede that I don't have a strong sense of what is associated with the confederate flag. Personally, I don't associate it with slavery or oppression, my strongest association happens to be around an ideal of being free spirited, largely because of all the Dukes of Hazard episodes I watched in the early 80's (I shit you not).

I agree with the other posters who argue that this is a decision for the state itself, and the people from that state. Its up to them to choose how they want to present their state to the broader world; and in order to do that, they ought to be clear about what the flag is likely to mean to the rest of the world.

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RE: South Carolina to Pull Confederate Flag - 6/25/2015 6:03:01 AM   
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The "cons" in the USA have been ever so busy obeying their corporate masters and minding the business of the rich and powerful for ever and a day.


That particular democrat talking point has hypocrisy written all over it.


Well, when snipped carefully out of context it certainly does. I think it was misleading of you to select the quote in that way.

I have never denied that liberals seek to influence society or laws, I was actually simply making the point that claiming that liberals are the only ones that seek to do so is utter nonsense.

Is that your belief? Do you believe that liberals are the only people who set out to shape the world and its laws to fit their own ideology?

Really?

[EDited to delete a "that" and add a "was"]


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RE: South Carolina to Pull Confederate Flag - 6/25/2015 6:11:08 AM   
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Not only that but no one was complaining about this flag for 50 years since after the civil rights movement. This is just political correctness taken to an extreme for liberal political brownie points.

no its because a white person shot up a church filled with black people and had a love of the flag.
People wanna deny its about his racism so its about the flag and hiding behind it to excuse the shooter.

Personally I couldnt give a rats ass about the flag....not my monkey not my peanuts...its the purvey of the state. I see alabama has taken theirs down.
But keep making it about the left and not racism.
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RE: South Carolina to Pull Confederate Flag - 6/25/2015 6:13:10 AM   
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So I guess we can agree on that. The statement I snipped applies to both sides.

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RE: South Carolina to Pull Confederate Flag - 6/25/2015 6:33:09 AM   
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The law of unintended consequences kicks in. With All the controversy over this flag and the various retail outlets discontinuing its sale, sales where it's available (a crapload of other outlets) are shooting through the roof (both puns unintended). All of these offended types are likely to be seeing this flag around all over the place a whole lot more.

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RE: South Carolina to Pull Confederate Flag - 6/25/2015 6:44:17 AM   
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As I said earlier in the thread, theres no way the flag will never bee seen again.
BTW its voluntary taking down by retailers...their decision...
or are you against capitalists?


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RE: South Carolina to Pull Confederate Flag - 6/25/2015 7:08:19 AM   
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Thats like, blame the airplanes



Or blame the Islamic flag



When the issue is neither

The issue, is the hateful ideology

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RE: South Carolina to Pull Confederate Flag - 6/25/2015 7:22:21 AM   
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After Charleston shootings, poll highlights race dilemma for Republicans
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/25/us-usa-election-race-idUSKBN0P50DA20150625

Republican presidential contenders face a dilemma when talking about racial issues after last week's racially motivated murders at a South Carolina church, as a new poll shows many Republican primary voters are less likely to see the topic as important.

While more than three-quarters of Americans believe race relations must be addressed in the United States, a smaller majority of only about 65 percent of likely Republican primary voters agree, a new Reuters/Ipsos poll found. (Graphic: link.reuters.com/dun94w)

One-third of likely Republican primary voters see race relations as unimportant to some degree, compared to only 9 percent of likely Democratic voters who feel that way.

"There is a tension Republicans are trying to navigate, and they are really stuck between a rock and a hard place," said Ipsos pollster Chris Jackson.

"You have the majority of the public on one side, but the people who are actually going to vote for them in the primaries are less interested in this particular issue and may have different takes or alternate priorities altogether," he said.

The poll, carried out after the murder by a white gunman of nine black members of a Bible study group at a Charleston church, also found Democrats were more trusted to deal with race relations by more than a 2-to-1 margin.

The findings illustrate the Republican Party's challenge in trying to expand its appeal among minorities - crucial if the party is to win the presidency - and could help explain the largely muted response to the Charleston shootings by the party's 2016 presidential contenders.

Around a dozen hopefuls, who must court the white, conservative voters who dominate the party's primaries, largely steered clear of calls to action or policy prescriptions after the shootings, focusing instead on messages of condolence.

Several Republican presidential contenders and other party leaders did join South Carolina state officials earlier this week in calling for removal of the Confederate battle flag from in front of the State House, seat of the legislature, labeling it an act of healing and unity.

EXPANDING REPUBLICAN APPEAL

Republican National Committee spokesman Orlando Watson noted that call was led by Indian-American Governor Nikki Haley and a prominent black Republican, U.S. Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina.

"Republican leaders have stepped up and are working hard to address all voter concerns, including those involving race," he said.

After losing the 2012 presidential election, Republicans had vowed to expand their appeal beyond their shrinking base of white males and reach out to court new supporters among blacks, Hispanics, Asians and the young.

But blacks have for decades been the most loyal Democratic voting bloc, a trend only reinforced by the election of President Barack Obama, the first black in the White House.

When Obama won re-election in 2012, Mitt Romney received 6 percent of the black vote. No Republican presidential contender has won more than 12 percent of black votes since President Gerald Ford's 15 percent in 1976.

The poll found Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton was considered the presidential contender who was best suited to handle the issue of race relations, with 17 percent of all adults and 32 percent of blacks viewing her that way.

The top-ranked Republican was retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, the only black Republican in the race. He was seen as best suited by 7 percent of all adults and 6 percent of blacks. Former Florida Governor Jeb Bush was next, with 6 percent of all adults and 1 percent of blacks viewing him as best suited.

Carson and Bush are among 13 candidates who have formally jumped into the race for the Republican presidential nomination in the November 2016 election.

Some respondents to the poll said the issue of race relations simply took a backseat to more heavily debated topics such as unemployment, crime, education and trade.

"I don't know if it's really an election issue, it's a people issue. Our political leaders can't change it," said Alex Jackson, a white Republican who is a student at West Georgia College in Carrolton, Georgia. She rated race relations as "somewhat unimportant."

Mary Wickham, a white Republican in Naperville, Illinois, who also said race relations were "somewhat unimportant", said she did not see it as an issue in her diverse community and she was much more interested in a candidate's views on immigration.

"It's just not a problem here," she said of racial issues. "We pray together, we stay together."

The online poll of 1,402 Americans was taken between June 18 and 22, and has a credibility interval, a measure of accuracy, of 3 percent for all Americans and 6.4 percent for Republican primary voters.


"The issue"

What issue - racism?

Race relations have imploded under Obamas leadership, and Hillary has been a big part of that

If your leftist media hit piece is trying to say Republicans gave us the confederate flag, no no no - DEMOCRATS gave us that flag. Lincoln was a Republican, and Bill and Hillary and the rest of the Dems have been wrapping themselves in that flag as recently as 2012

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RE: South Carolina to Pull Confederate Flag - 6/25/2015 7:29:01 AM   
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And racists have been blaming obama for racism imploding since before he even got into the white house.
Facts havent come into it since 2007




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RE: South Carolina to Pull Confederate Flag - 6/25/2015 7:36:07 AM   
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All this over a flag.

I don't think any flag except for the American one and the State one, should be flown at any state capitol. The Confederate flag is the symbol of the South and to strip them of their history/symbolism because of this shooting, is not going to help any type of racial relations IMO. I see no problem with having it at Courthouses, or schools or any other Southern place. Besides, I fondly remember the Dukes Of Hazzard with their car the General Lee from my childhood. Racisim is alive and well everywhere in America, not just the South, so to hot button them is inappropriate.


Awe yes, The Dukes Of Hazard, good catch. Freakin offensive show with that offensive car😎

Yeah, still loved it though! LMAO


One of my favorite shows as a kid! The only thing I remember being offensive was Coy & Vance. LOL

Seriously, I think the show is indicative of how times have changed. Cooter went on to become a congressman...as a Democrat. But just a few days ago, Warner Bros. ended production of General Lee toys.

http://www.theverge.com/2015/6/23/8836571/dukes-of-hazzard-car-toys-confederate-flag


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RE: South Carolina to Pull Confederate Flag - 6/25/2015 7:37:25 AM   
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And racists have been blaming obama for racism imploding since before he even got into the white house.
Facts havent come into it since 2007


"The white cop acted stupidly"

"That kid who was beating the hell out of that Hispanic, could have been my boy"

Egging it on

Did he reprimand those who have been fomenting the riots?

Citation please

Rather, he sends in his Justice Dept goon to tell the rioters theyre victims

Looks the other way when rioters are given room, told they have room to destroy

Part of the pattern

Dems NEED race relations to be bad so they can (case in point) (all together now) "Blame the Republicans"







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RE: South Carolina to Pull Confederate Flag - 6/25/2015 7:46:00 AM   
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oh you are fun today...and proving my point:)


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RE: South Carolina to Pull Confederate Flag - 6/25/2015 7:58:25 AM   
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oh you are fun today...and proving my point:)



Your point is that Obama is actively fomenting Americas worsening race relations...

Interesting

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RE: South Carolina to Pull Confederate Flag - 6/25/2015 8:01:37 AM   
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oh you are fun today...and proving my point:)



Your point is that Obama is actively fomenting Americas worsening race relations...

Interesting

only in your reality...now I have to go and take care of mine....
have a nice day

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RE: South Carolina to Pull Confederate Flag - 6/25/2015 8:03:29 AM   
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oh you are fun today...and proving my point:)



Your point is that Obama is actively fomenting Americas worsening race relations...

Interesting

only in your reality...now I have to go and take care of mine....
have a nice day


Yeah, you had better run along now, no time to try to explain is there

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RE: South Carolina to Pull Confederate Flag - 6/25/2015 8:06:27 AM   
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I can't wait until some one down south goes into a black owned bakery and orders a cake with the Confederate battle flag.

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RE: South Carolina to Pull Confederate Flag - 6/25/2015 8:10:55 AM   
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I can't wait until some one down south goes into a black owned bakery and orders a cake with the Confederate battle flag.


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RE: South Carolina to Pull Confederate Flag - 6/25/2015 9:19:56 AM   
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But...I'm staying out of the vote because in my mind, this is an issue for the people of SC to deal with and I won't be stupid and tell them how they must behave.

Right, if you don't live in SC it is none of your business.


You are correct but that won't stop people from trying to make it theirs. They have a petition on move on with about 600,000 signatures. Just scrolling through the first hundred listed I noticed the majority of them are from out of state.

That was one reason the vote to remove aspects of the flag from the Ms flag.
As one black man put it, (as close to the exact wording as I can get it) It's our flag, if we want it changed we will change it, but were not going to because a bunch of outsiders tell us to."

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