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RE: 64 Killed In Terrorist Attacks Today - 6/26/2015 10:49:10 PM   
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Maybe that police officer is a Muslim female and is wearing the French Police version of a Hijab?

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No, theyre all wearing masks in the photos





I'd suspect because there'd be a concern that otherwise they could be individually identified and later targeted. A distinct possibility if these are specialist anti-terror police.



So for the same reasons these guys wear masks then?




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RE: 64 Killed In Terrorist Attacks Today - 6/26/2015 10:55:32 PM   
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There's nothing much to say about these people. They want to horrify us, and they are achieving just that.



So do you think they need to do a better job of sanitizing their operations and modernize by using guns and just poking a few mags of dime sized holes in people like the american police have done to so many unarmed citizens? Would that be less horrifying?

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RE: 64 Killed In Terrorist Attacks Today - 6/27/2015 2:02:12 AM   
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[...]But this is extremely complicated.

We're fighting ideologies, not an established government that we know of. So how do we actually win?

The first thing is to recognise that we are fighting an ideology, a particularly loathsome and horrifying ideology but nonetheless an idelology. As we have learnt from fighting AQ, a military victory alone is insufficient - when AQ was effectively disabled as a military force (except in isolated pockets), IS stepped up to fill the void. Destroying IS, desirable as it is, will not defeat the ideology and the likeliehood is that the ideology will re-emerge in another form, possibly an even more grotesque form than IS.

We also need to identify the reasons why this murderous ideology appeals to people and take steps to eliminate the reasons that cause people to sign up to groups like AQ and IS. We also need to recognise that the fight is primarily a fight between Muslims, and that non-Muslims should confine themselves to supporting roles. We need to bear in mind that the most efficient generator of terrorism is a hostile foreign military occupation, so Western armies fighting in Muslim lands is not a viable option. Training, supply and intelligence support by all means, but 'boots on the ground' are going to be counter-productive.

A comprehensive counter-insurgency strategy that will deliver results will require military and political components, with clearly identified goals and widespread support throughout the Muslim world on the streets as well as in the corridors of power. It will require a fair and just resolution of the Palestine/Israel conflict, rapproachement with Iran and a popular and wide coalition of forces drawn from the Muslim world united in the goal of eliminating the curse of Islamism. None of these elements is impossible - all are achievable so there is no reason why IS cannot be exterminated given the right choices by all concerned.

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RE: 64 Killed In Terrorist Attacks Today - 6/27/2015 5:58:59 AM   
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Well, instead of making up your own definitions, here's a bit of schooling.

Difference Between Islam and Muslim



Islam vs Muslim

Nearly one quarter of the world’s population follows the religion that was revealed to the Prophet Mohammed and subsequently transcribed into the Quran. Despite its number of faithful followers that have now settled across the globe, many Westerners don’t have a clear idea of what this religion entails. Subsequently, even incredibly fundamental questions, such as the difference between Islam and Muslim, arise as these same Westerners are beginning to explore their increasingly globalized world. Beyond linguistic distinctions, there are actually very few differences between Islam and Muslim.

Definition of Islam and Muslim

Islam : the meaning comes from the Arabic verbal noun (like a gerund) s-l-m. When appropriate vowel markers are added the word Islam appears. The etymology of s-l-m is to submit, accept, or surrender. From this comes Islam’s conventional definition of surrender to God.

Muslim : also has its roots in the s-l-m verb. It is a participle of the verb and refers to a person who engages in the act of submission, acceptance, or surrender. Therefore a Muslim is a person who submits to the will of God, or a follower of Islam.

Uses of Islam and Muslim

Islam is generally used in conversation to denote the religion or community of believes as a whole. For instance: ‘The Islamic community in town will be celebrating Eid next week.’ It is also used when talking about the religion as a noun unto itself. For instance: ‘Islam is based on the sayings of the Prophet Mohammed that have been written down in the Quran.’

Muslim is generally used in conversation to qualify or distinguish a person. For instance, ‘Remember the Muslim man who works at the bank?’ It can also be used as a simple description of one’s religious beliefs. For instance: ‘He is Christian but she is Muslim.’ Because Muslims are a minority community in many countries and most of the West, describing someone as Muslim may also reflect on their lifestyle and choice of dress in addition to their religious beliefs.

Misuses of Islam and Muslim

Islam : grammatically speaking, Islam should only refer to the religion or acts done in the name of that religion, never a person who practices that religion. Islamic community and Islamic art are correct, Islamic man is not.

Muslim should be used to describe all people of the Islamic faith but not the faith itself. You may say that you are interested in the religion of Muslims, but never in the Muslim religion.

Summary:

1.Islam and Muslim are both words used to describe the religion revealed to the Prophet Mohammed.
2.Islam and Muslim both have the same origin in the Arabic verb s-l-m.
3.Islam is the act of submitting to the will of God whereas a Muslim is person who participates in the act of submission.
4.To be correctly used, Islam or Islamic should describe the religion and its subsequent cultural concepts whereas Muslim should only describe the followers of the religion of Islam.

Read more: Difference Between Islam and Muslim | Difference Between | Islam vs Muslim http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/difference-between-islam-and-muslim/#ixzz3eCKE9xuY



Now go run back to school and look up the meaning of the word I actually used

"Islamist"

I'm sorry your school didn't cover word forms, leaving unable to put verbal knowledge to correct use.

It is, then, addressed -- Islam(ist) would refer to the religion itself, Moslem to adherents.

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RE: 64 Killed In Terrorist Attacks Today - 6/27/2015 7:58:00 AM   
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The folks here in north America ,neo-cons, who`re the west`s extremist counterparts to the extremist jihadists in the middle east,south west Asia and middle Africa, are not happy campers.......no....They see what they`ve brought about through their reckless disregard and their stunted,childish,bigoted world view.

This ilk of mental/moral dwarfs are a pretty pathetic bunch.The super patriots ,the super heros,the supper douche-bags who lit up the middle east,killing over a million there while getting 4 thousand, five hundred of our poor brave mean and women killed......so a half-wit could get some .....<cough> killer photo ops.

Against the advice of everyone with a clue, these stooges made Iran the super military power in the region and created ISIS,starting the day they sacked all the Iraqi police and military ,sending them into the hills with the weapons.

They had been shamed back under their rocks, indefinitely .Neocons/war mangers for the most part retreated......You didn`t hear or see bush for years. He ( and the vice torturer) couldn`t even go to their frick`n national political convention.

Maybe we`ll see a puff piece featuring the "paintings" of the village idiot or one of the more pathetic ones will anonymously post their garbage on a social forum.

This kind of coward, who starts fights that he know will kill some other Americans` children, by the thousand, should in deed be advised to run and hide.lol

These PsOS started the troubles,where on earth did they figure average moderate Americans would be interested in their solutions?! duah!









< Message edited by Owner59 -- 6/27/2015 8:05:17 AM >


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RE: 64 Killed In Terrorist Attacks Today - 6/27/2015 4:39:11 PM   
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With the Second Amendment and a Stand Your Ground law on my side, I'm not terrified.

I probably would've already shit myself if I were living in France though.

But what's the solution?


I wouldnt have worried too much about living in France, you still have more chance of being murdered while living in the US.



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RE: 64 Killed In Terrorist Attacks Today - 7/5/2015 8:28:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Well, instead of making up your own definitions, here's a bit of schooling.

Difference Between Islam and Muslim



Islam vs Muslim

Nearly one quarter of the world’s population follows the religion that was revealed to the Prophet Mohammed and subsequently transcribed into the Quran. Despite its number of faithful followers that have now settled across the globe, many Westerners don’t have a clear idea of what this religion entails. Subsequently, even incredibly fundamental questions, such as the difference between Islam and Muslim, arise as these same Westerners are beginning to explore their increasingly globalized world. Beyond linguistic distinctions, there are actually very few differences between Islam and Muslim.

Definition of Islam and Muslim

Islam : the meaning comes from the Arabic verbal noun (like a gerund) s-l-m. When appropriate vowel markers are added the word Islam appears. The etymology of s-l-m is to submit, accept, or surrender. From this comes Islam’s conventional definition of surrender to God.

Muslim : also has its roots in the s-l-m verb. It is a participle of the verb and refers to a person who engages in the act of submission, acceptance, or surrender. Therefore a Muslim is a person who submits to the will of God, or a follower of Islam.

Uses of Islam and Muslim

Islam is generally used in conversation to denote the religion or community of believes as a whole. For instance: ‘The Islamic community in town will be celebrating Eid next week.’ It is also used when talking about the religion as a noun unto itself. For instance: ‘Islam is based on the sayings of the Prophet Mohammed that have been written down in the Quran.’

Muslim is generally used in conversation to qualify or distinguish a person. For instance, ‘Remember the Muslim man who works at the bank?’ It can also be used as a simple description of one’s religious beliefs. For instance: ‘He is Christian but she is Muslim.’ Because Muslims are a minority community in many countries and most of the West, describing someone as Muslim may also reflect on their lifestyle and choice of dress in addition to their religious beliefs.

Misuses of Islam and Muslim

Islam : grammatically speaking, Islam should only refer to the religion or acts done in the name of that religion, never a person who practices that religion. Islamic community and Islamic art are correct, Islamic man is not.

Muslim should be used to describe all people of the Islamic faith but not the faith itself. You may say that you are interested in the religion of Muslims, but never in the Muslim religion.

Summary:

1.Islam and Muslim are both words used to describe the religion revealed to the Prophet Mohammed.
2.Islam and Muslim both have the same origin in the Arabic verb s-l-m.
3.Islam is the act of submitting to the will of God whereas a Muslim is person who participates in the act of submission.
4.To be correctly used, Islam or Islamic should describe the religion and its subsequent cultural concepts whereas Muslim should only describe the followers of the religion of Islam.

Read more: Difference Between Islam and Muslim | Difference Between | Islam vs Muslim http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/difference-between-islam-and-muslim/#ixzz3eCKE9xuY



Now go run back to school and look up the meaning of the word I actually used

"Islamist"

I'm sorry your school didn't cover word forms, leaving unable to put verbal knowledge to correct use.

It is, then, addressed -- Islam(ist) would refer to the religion itself, Moslem to adherents.


Do you similarly believe that a racist is someone who belongs to a race

You might want to look some of these things up rather than continue to guess because the word doesnt mean what you think it does

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RE: 64 Killed In Terrorist Attacks Today - 7/6/2015 7:17:00 AM   
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