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This hate filled "Christian" has every right to her views.....

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/watch_indiana_woman_s_facebook_video_meltdown_rant_over_marriage_goes_viral

Just not the right to impose them on me.


If there was a god.....She would put me in the same room with this entertaining freak.

omg i had tears, I saw her last night...Ive never wanted to cuddle someone so bad....n then close the buckles on her wraparaound jacket

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
If religious freedom is what everyone wants, I am all in!!!! Remember, Odins followers loved to slaughter christians. I expect all of the apologists for this other asswipe will support this freedom?

Plundering is a tenant of my religion. Religious freedom now!

You go right ahead, but don't forget that for many shooting looters is a tenant of theirs.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

This hate filled "Christian" has every right to her views.....

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/watch_indiana_woman_s_facebook_video_meltdown_rant_over_marriage_goes_viral

Just not the right to impose them on me.


If there was a god.....She would put me in the same room with this entertaining freak.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes."


-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

Thomas Jefferson (of course was famous for coining the phrase "Separation of Church and State") spoke (or wrote) about religious freedom often.

I think Thomas Jefferson foresaw "Religious Liberties" laws for businesses when he said this:

[b]“Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person’s life, freedom of religion affects every individual. State churches that use government power to support themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of the church tends to make the clergy unresponsive to the people and leads to corruption within religion. Erecting the “wall of separation between church and state,” therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society. We have solved … the great and interesting question whether freedom of religion is compatible with order in government and obedience to the laws. And we have experienced the quiet as well as the comfort which results from leaving every one to profess freely and openly those principles of religion which are the inductions of his own reason and the serious convictions of his own inquiries.”

I definitely think he would consider granting businesses "religious freedom" a law establishing a religion.
Note he says "freedom of religion affects every INDIVIDUAL" (not business)

And then there is this:
State churches that use government power to support themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths undermine all our civil rights.

How prophetic.
My own opinion.

well pretty much like I explained in your 14th amendment thread, the state comes in through the back door and creates a situation where they can claim an 'interest'. Any benefit received from the state has strings attached. Once the programs are in place and the ground work all laid out they can by contract and equity law impose anything they want upon you.

you should see how impossible it is to get a jury trial in a small claims case in my state. they put the bar so high the average person is completely disconnected from the system.

Oh and that jefferson quote will really piss the atheists off because they think they are special and have no religion because they dont understand the elements of religion lol

Yes the state has created a religion and impose on everyone through their programs, ohaha care comes to mind. That one is the biggest ass kicker of them all. time to move out LOL

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FR

Wow, that video was really something. Total meltdown. "They're ISLAAAAMIC!"

I can admire one's passions and convictions in one's religious beliefs, but the thing that always gives them away is how inconsistent they are in practicing their beliefs. They cherry-pick which sins they're going to get upset about, while turning the blind eye to sins like greed, wrath, envy, and pride. If they had any sense of integrity at all, their beliefs would dictate that they should be 1000x more angry at Wall Street and their sins. That's why they have no credibility on this or any other issue.

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FR

Wow, that video was really something. Total meltdown. "They're ISLAAAAMIC!"

I can admire one's passions and convictions in one's religious beliefs, but the thing that always gives them away is how inconsistent they are in practicing their beliefs. They cherry-pick which sins they're going to get upset about, while turning the blind eye to sins like greed, wrath, envy, and pride. If they had any sense of integrity at all, their beliefs would dictate that they should be 1000x more angry at Wall Street and their sins. That's why they have no credibility on this or any other issue.

yeh just like the government, but fortunately one woman is not in a position to make it into law and enforce it at the end of a barrel of a gun and UNCONSTITUTIONALLY violate the kliens religious beliefs in support of the gays religious beliefs by establishing a religion.

Apparently some people feel that is just. At least till that federal gun is pointed at their heads.

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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

FR

Wow, that video was really something. Total meltdown. "They're ISLAAAAMIC!"

I can admire one's passions and convictions in one's religious beliefs, but the thing that always gives them away is how inconsistent they are in practicing their beliefs. They cherry-pick which sins they're going to get upset about, while turning the blind eye to sins like greed, wrath, envy, and pride. If they had any sense of integrity at all, their beliefs would dictate that they should be 1000x more angry at Wall Street and their sins. That's why they have no credibility on this or any other issue.

yeh just like the government, but fortunately one woman is not in a position to make it into law and enforce it at the end of a barrel of a gun and UNCONSTITUTIONALLY violate the kliens religious beliefs in support of the gays religious beliefs by establishing a religion.

Apparently some people feel that is just. At least till that federal gun is pointed at their heads.

What "religious beliefs" are being addressed here? If no one can cite any exact words in the Bible which specifically say "Thou shalt not bake a cake for a gay marriage," then they don't have much of a leg to stand on when it comes to citing their "religious beliefs." There is no such belief in their Scriptures, so they're just making it up out of thin air.

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The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting

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The kliens religion requires they do not get involved or participate in supporting gay activities

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The gay religion demands that they do participate.

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The government has enforced the gay religion over the kliens religion.

Hence the government just established a religious precedent in law.

the governments decision VIOLATED the kliens right to EXERCISE THEIR RELIGION by establishing the gay religion as the law of the land.

Its very simple.

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
If religious freedom is what everyone wants, I am all in!!!! Remember, Odins followers loved to slaughter christians. I expect all of the apologists for this other asswipe will support this freedom?

Plundering is a tenant of my religion. Religious freedom now!

You go right ahead, but don't forget that for many shooting looters is a tenant of theirs.

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
If religious freedom is what everyone wants, I am all in!!!! Remember, Odins followers loved to slaughter christians. I expect all of the apologists for this other asswipe will support this freedom?

Plundering is a tenant of my religion. Religious freedom now!

You go right ahead, but don't forget that for many shooting looters is a tenant of theirs.

I thought you were christian

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

The kliens religion requires they do not get involved or participate in supporting gay activities

But is that what their religious laws actually say? If their religion requires that they dissociate themselves from all sinful activities (being gay is not the only "sin" there is you know), then by all rights, they should drop out of society entirely and not participate in commerce or politics at all.

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The gay religion demands that they do participate.

There is no "gay religion" that I'm aware of. Some Christian denominations seem more accepting of gays than others, though.

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The government has enforced the gay religion over the kliens religion.

Hence the government just established a religious precedent in law.

the governments decision VIOLATED the kliens right to EXERCISE THEIR RELIGION by establishing the gay religion as the law of the land.

Its very simple.

The government's role is not to establish a religion, but to enforce the Constitution which applies to all.

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

Thomas Jefferson (of course was famous for coining the phrase "Separation of Church and State") spoke (or wrote) about religious freedom often.

I think Thomas Jefferson foresaw "Religious Liberties" laws for businesses when he said this:

[b]“Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person’s life, freedom of religion affects every individual. State churches that use government power to support themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of the church tends to make the clergy unresponsive to the people and leads to corruption within religion. Erecting the “wall of separation between church and state,” therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society. We have solved … the great and interesting question whether freedom of religion is compatible with order in government and obedience to the laws. And we have experienced the quiet as well as the comfort which results from leaving every one to profess freely and openly those principles of religion which are the inductions of his own reason and the serious convictions of his own inquiries.”

I definitely think he would consider granting businesses "religious freedom" a law establishing a religion.
Note he says "freedom of religion affects every INDIVIDUAL" (not business)

And then there is this:
State churches that use government power to support themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths undermine all our civil rights.

How prophetic.
My own opinion.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Sure there is a gay religion, just like atheism is a religion.

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If you elect to make law supporting the 'moral' beliefs of a gay person (religious standing) and impose it over the 'moral' beliefs of a christian (religious standing) you would be establishing the gay persons 'moral' beliefs (as the law of the land through legal precedent) while dismissing the christians 'moral' beliefs, hence enforcing the gay persons right to exercise their religious beliefs and simultaneously violating the christians right to exercise their religious beliefs.

This falls precisely within the religion v religion argument.

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Religion is a fundamentally the moral set of beliefs that one uses to govern ones self.

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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

The kliens religion requires they do not get involved or participate in supporting gay activities

But is that what their religious laws actually say? If their religion requires that they dissociate themselves from all sinful activities (being gay is not the only "sin" there is you know), then by all rights, they should drop out of society entirely and not participate in commerce or politics at all.

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The gay religion demands that they do participate.

There is no "gay religion" that I'm aware of. Some Christian denominations seem more accepting of gays than others, though.

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The government has enforced the gay religion over the kliens religion.

Hence the government just established a religious precedent in law.

the governments decision VIOLATED the kliens right to EXERCISE THEIR RELIGION by establishing the gay religion as the law of the land.

Its very simple.

The government's role is not to establish a religion, but to enforce the Constitution which applies to all.

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The one thing the brits did right is the separation of church and state in their court system, at least for a short time in history, unlike the united states who have chosen to violate the religious rights of people nationwide at the end of a barrel of a gun because people in this country dont understand the elements of what an established religion is.

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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

FR

Wow, that video was really something. Total meltdown. "They're ISLAAAAMIC!"

I can admire one's passions and convictions in one's religious beliefs, but the thing that always gives them away is how inconsistent they are in practicing their beliefs. They cherry-pick which sins they're going to get upset about, while turning the blind eye to sins like greed, wrath, envy, and pride. If they had any sense of integrity at all, their beliefs would dictate that they should be 1000x more angry at Wall Street and their sins. That's why they have no credibility on this or any other issue.