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Real0ne -> RE: Was the American Revolution a Mistake (7/4/2015 10:33:10 AM)
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
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Isn't that covered in Article I of the Treaty of Paris, 9/3/1783?
Yes I know, however, it works the same way dealing with the constitution does. Its the substance. You need to look at the 'resulting' construction to determine if in fact the words of the treaty were simply fluffy words or were actually built into law and practice.
The fact that we have titles 'in fee', under a 'sovereign authority', who can tell you how you will live not only in public but inside your home, look at the unlimited jurisdiction they have granted t themselves (and look at the off grid case I posted) frankly speaks for itself that we have feudal construction.
Of course if the day ever comes that you took it to court they would merely flip the meaning of a few words around and nothing would change and the new boss would look exactly like the old boss.
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people in the US have serf or vassal status and hold their land on the condition they are willing to pay taxes on the land and tenements to the land-LORD-state and hence grant jurisdiction to the ruling authority, the gubmint.
If you go to buy land and do not accept being a serf the US gubmint land of the freedom dreamers gives you the big [sm=sodoff.gif]
Fee simple is an estate in land in common law. It is the most common way real estate is owned in common law countries, and is ordinarily the most complete ownership interest that can be had in real property short of allodial title, which is often reserved for governments. Fee simple ownership represents absolute ownership of real property but it is limited by the four basic government powers of taxation, eminent domain, police power, and escheat and could also be limited by certain encumbrances or a condition in the deed. How ownership is limited by these government powers often involves the shift from allodial title to fee simple such as when uniting with other property owners acceding to property restrictions or municipal regulation.
In English common law theory, the Crown has radical title or the allodium of all land in England, meaning that it is the ultimate "owner" of all land. [he should have said soil] However the Crown can grant an abstract entity—called an estate in land—which is what is owned. The fee simple estate is also called "estate in fee simple" or "fee-simple title" and sometimes simply freehold in England and Wales. In the early Norman period, the holder of an estate in fee simple could not sell it, but instead could grant subordinate fee simple estates to third parties in the same parcel of land, a process known as "subinfeudation." The Statute of Quia Emptores adopted in 1290 abolished subinfeudation and instead allowed the sale of fee simple estates. [1]
The owner(s) of real property in fee simple title have the right to own [own means perpetual usage...PROVIDED its approved by the gubmint board of zoning] LMAO the property during their lifetime and typically have a say in determining who gets to own the property after their death. In a sense, one might say fee simple owner(s) "own(s)" the property "forever".
Historically, estates could be limited in time, such as a life estate, which is an interest in lands that terminates upon the grantee's (or another person's) death, even if the land had been granted to a third party, or a term of years (a lease for a specified term, such as in an estate for years). It also could be limited in the way that it was inherited, such as by what was called an "entailment" which created a fee tail. Traditionally, fee tail was created by words of grant such as "to N. and the male heirs of his body"; which would restrict those who could inherit the property. When all those heirs ran out the property would revert to the original grantor's heirs.
Most common law countries have abolished entailment by statute; but many retain the possibility of creating a life estate, although this is uncommon. In the U.S., life estates are most commonly used in the context of either giving a right to someone in a will to use property for the remainder of that person's (or another person's) life, or reserving to a grantor who is selling property the right to continue using the property for the remainder of his/her life. The right to ownership after the death of the subject person would be called the remainder estate. In England and Wales fee simple is the only freehold estate that remains and a life estate can only be created in equity.
If previous grantors of a fee simple estate does not create any conditions for subsequent grantees to own the conveyed property in fee simple title, which is commonly the case these days, then the title is called fee simple absolute. Other fee simple estates in real property include fee simple defeasible (or fee simple determinable) estates. A defeasible estate is created when a grantor places a condition on a fee simple estate (in the deed). Upon the happening of a specified event, the estate may become void or subject to annulment. Two types of defeasible estates are the fee simple determinable and the fee simple subject to condition subsequent. If the grantor uses durational language in the condition such as "to A as long as the land is used for a park" then upon the happening of the specified event, the estate will automatically terminate and revert to the grantor or the grantor's estate. If the grantor uses language such as "but if alcohol is served" then the grantor or the heirs have a right of entry, but the estate does not automatically revert to the grantor. In the United States many of these concepts have been modified by statute in some states.
The concept of a "fee" has its origins in feudalism. According to William Blackstone, the great common law commentator, fee simple is the estate in land that a person has when the lands are given to him and his heirs absolutely, without any end or limit put to his estate. Land held in fee simple can be conveyed to whomever its owner pleases; it can be mortgaged or put up as security as well.
It is often said that no rent or similar obligations are due from the owner of property in fee simple. That is only partially true, for example a rentcharge may exist requiring a freeholder to pay a fixed sum of money closely resembling rent, and many jurisdictions have created financial obligations that may be imposed on a freehold estate, for example in England and Wales, the estate charge. In the United States, fee simple owners are subject to property tax and other assessments for items such as roads and water/sewer improvements on the land. Real estate owned as a condominium is usually similarly owned in fee simple, but typically subject to rules in the declaration of condominium or created by the condominium association, such as paying required monthly fees for maintaining the property's common areas.
Source(s): wikipedia.org
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fee_simple
Ownership 'in fee' simple only means you purchased the rights to the lease your property from the government forever.
If land titles were allodial that would be a different story.
The US Gubmint [without any vote from the citizens what so ever] abolished allodial title that can be seen in the first statutes of the original states and wisconsin in the 1854 statutes to grant themselves jurisdiction over all property in the state and US.
Now the US abolished military tenure but the rest of the feudal structure wh9ich is a bastardized version none the less that gave them the power of a king and the ability to kick you off your rightful land if you dont pay their ransom remains concretely intact.
The short version of a feud is vassal [citizen] ownership of 'rights/interests' in real property, NOT the property itself in which full ownership [in the soil] trumping yours is held by the state and has a fee for services attached. All titles in the US to individuals today are 'in fee'
I will stop there because this is far to large of a subject to detail out.
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