joether
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Otherwise, this illegal immigrant...excuse me, "undocumented citizen-to-be"...would'be been deported (again).
http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/christinerousselle/2015/07/06/illegal-immigrant-kills-woman-in-san-francisco-chose-city-for-sanctuary-policies-n2021735#
Aren't we glad that San Franciso knows when to let the Supreme Court interpret the Constitution...gay marriage is o.k....and when San Francisco should...holding an illegal immigrant (excuse me, undocumented citizen-to-be)...is not.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/03/us/san-francisco-killing-suspect-immigrant-deported/
Sanctuary cities have, in effect, declared themselves to be above the Federal Government. They feel they are free to pick and choose which laws they will and will not obey. They are predominately liberal. Finally they act exactly the way the left accuses conservatives and libertarians of acting. If you are outraged by sovereign citizens how outraged should you be by sovereign city-states.
If conservatives and libertarians can do it with regards to Jade Helm 15, liberals and moderates can do this. Don't like, then police your own political ideology as it relates to people better than your doing it now.
Last I checked, 'sovereign cities and/or states' elect people to power. How many times have sovereign citizens been elected to power by the people of the city and/or state that sovereign citizen 'lives' in? That right....
NONE...
In what way do you relate Jade Helm to 'sanctuary cities'?
The commonality should be rather easy to understand. 'Jade Helm 15' is just a military exercise for the US Military's special forces groups. There is nothing provable that is sinister or evil of the whole operation. Yet, there are scores of people making up all sorts of bullshit material about it to say to the contrary.
Sanctuary Cities (a phrase created by conservative think tanks), is the idea citizens through local and/or state government adjust laws towards illegal immigrants for a variety of good reasons. Yet, a number of conservative media and personalities have tried to pervert it as something evil and horrible for the nation. With no real evidence to back the bullshit up.
In both concepts, conservatives hate the reality being presented, because its at conflict with information they have been given by conservative media sources (whom have been manipulating things). Its at odds with conservative politicians whom prey on the ignorance of the 'Low Information Voter'. Why would Gov. Abbott of Texas side with conservative conspiracy lunatics to be 'wary' of the US Military? That its a 'pre-emptive' operation to kill Texan's ability to be a free state (when in fact, Texas is part of the United States all ready).
If conservative enclaves could make laws banning gay marriage, why cant liberal ones do the same towards the treatment of illegal immigrants?
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a. What federal law(s) are any cities involved in the government's Jade Helm exercise ignoring?
1. The law that you have to allow the military hold exercises in your town? Which law is that, Joether?
2. The law that says you cannot doubt the veracity of what the government says? Which law is that, Joether?
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First off, its not the government conducting the exercise, its the US Military. FEMA is not doing anything, nor is the FBI, US Marshals, or any other federal agency. Unless something happens as a reaction to conservative lunatics doing something. Say, getting into an argument that turns violent with guns towards a bunch of US NAVY SEALS off base looking for some beers....
After that blood bath, I'm sure the FBI would step in....
States can not ignore federal laws. If someone is acting in such manner to do so, its more than likely they will be dragged off to a federal court. I would expect conservatives to hold their people in power to a bit more responsibility. Since doing otherwise, undermines them politically not just in this next election, but the ones after that.
Here is a question for you: Should private citizens be allowed to film, and tail US Military personnel whom are off base conducting things most people might do in a day? Like getting their shirts at the cleaners, eating food at a resturant, visiting friends that live nearby? That they are hounded by Texans whom say they will not be armed. Have you ever known a conservative Texan NOT to be armed, when they think the US Government is up to no good?
Should the FBI be allowed to tail the tailers whom are conducting unreasonable if not 'meddling' levels of surveillance on the US Military folks when they are off base?
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Try reading this document, its call the US Constitution.
After that, try going to a place called 'the library' and asking "Whom defends our rights under the US Constitution in 2015". You'll get an answer: The United States Armed Forces. That would be the US Army, US Navy, US Air Force, the US Marine Corps, and the US Coast Guard (yeah, I'm old school). Further, the country is protected by many local, state, and federal agencies.
Since without the US Military, we dont have laws. Therefore, if they want to practice in your backyard, its your 'harsh words' verse their M1-Abrams. Now then, the Military is not a dictator force. They are filled with common Americans. When the Pentagon heard of the voices being issued about the operation's declaration in November, it sent people to explain the operation in full. For most sane, reasonable people, the Lt. Colonel sent was very patient, polite, knowledgeable, and diplomatic. He was asked reasonable questions, and about three times that in unreasonable questions. Since that time, the Pentagon has re-stated things for the benefit of the 'below average intelligence' so common with conservatives these days.
There is nothing sinister or evil going on with Jade Helm 15. The Military will conduct its operation, train its people, and be done with things by the end of September. Then they'll go back to where ever they are based. Those that opposed all this, will look like total fools and idiots for having 'resisted' it.
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If you are accusing the government of lying, why dont you present your evidence? Since the US Military has clearly stated more than once, with evidence, the nature, scale, and scope of operations. If the US Special Forces of the US Military can fully take over and hold Texas; I'll laugh! Since that would imply the Texas National Guard is full of idiots and morons whom cant operate their equipment. That all those 'folks with guns' are little more than mindless rabble, when they often state they could successfully take down a tyrannical government, if one were to come to their state.
If conservatives were as honest on Jade Helm 15, as the US Military, this would not be an issue. Since most of them supported the US Military (like the liberals) when a Republican was in the White House. Now that there is a Democrat in the Oval Office, conservatives can't trust the US Military? Doesn't that sound just...alittle...insane?
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