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Any man who takes it upon himself to explain the causes of the Civil War deserves whatever grief comes his way, regardless of his good intentions. ~Historynet

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Any man who takes it upon himself to explain the causes of the Civil War deserves whatever grief comes his way, regardless of his good intentions. ~Historynet

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Tweak never said that secession wasn't a reason why the war happened, he simply stated that slavery was one issue involved with the conflict, one issue of many I imagine. He even said there will likely never be a consensus on the direct cause. But even if secession was the main reason behind the war, it doesnt mean the issues behind slavery and the KKK didn't exist either. Stop making excuses for these morons editing that stuff out of the history books, no war is ever cut and dry, black and white, and even you have to admit it's wrong for them to remove content like this as it's a disgrace to the entire field of Historical research.

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There may never be a consensus on the precise causes of the Civil War. Perhaps that's best left to historians to argue about.

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There may never be a consensus on the precise causes of the Civil War. Perhaps that's best left to historians to argue about.

But we shouldn't let that blind us to the reality that slavery was one of the major issues contested in the Civil War. Both abolitionists and pro-slavery people were motivated by their positions on this issue to one extent or another. With the North's victory came abolition, which underlines the point.

How nice of you to lecture us about own history, but it would be helpful if first you would trouble yourself to know it. The contested issue was the South's right to secede. Period.

I acknowledge the constitutional rights of the States, not grudgingly, but fairly and fully, and I will give them any legislation for reclaiming their fugitive slaves. ~Abraham Lincoln, Peoria, Illinois

I have no purpose directly or indirectly to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so. ~Abraham Lincoln, Inaugural Address

My paramount object, is to save the Union, and not either destroy or save slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing the slaves, I would do it. If I could save the Union by freeing some and leaving others in slavery, I would do it. If I could save it by freeing all, I would do that. What I do about slavery and the colored race, I do because it helps save the Union. ~Abraham Lincoln, letter to Horace Greeley

Lincoln didn't issue the Emancipation Proclamation until 1863, more than a year and a half after the war started, largely as a measure to further weaken the South. It exempted the slave states of Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky and Missouri, which had stayed loyal to the Union, and also some areas of the South that had come under Union control.

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His statements on his moral objections to slavery were well known and constant ammunition for pro-slavery publicists. His writings outlined plans to contain slavery to existing states and work to erode, not abolish it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_and_slavery

I don't question that he had moral objections to slavery in principle. But on the other hand, he had come to hold views about blacks that need not be repeated. If they couldn't be returned to their homeland, then at least they should be kept separate and not allowed to vote or hold office. Whereas earlier in our history some blacks had been free men and even owned slaves themselves, the world had changed, influenced by "science" (you know, that thing that nobody is ever supposed to question).

Comparison between the white and "coloured" races was becoming a significant and controversial question in England in the early 1840s. Orthodox views based on the Bible or the Enlightenment had taught the fundamental unity of mankind. But the new science of comparative "ethnology" that measured cranial capacity in white and "coloured" skulls raised issues about evolution and progress. Perceived differences in brain size and intellectual capacity... [etc., etc.] ~Source

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