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bounty44 -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/9/2015 8:09:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
The highest teen pregnancy rates are all in RED STATES: NM, MS, TX, AR, LA, OK, NV, SC


and relationship between teen pregnancy and how the states went in the last presidential election is what exactly?

that said, I don't know enough about how "teen pregnancies" are reckoned---in the aforementioned states, one can wonder how many were 17-19 yr olds who were married and planned on/wanted to have children?



bounty44 -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/9/2015 8:11:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

A similar study was done in St. Louis, with similar results, and was published in the New England Journal of Medicine.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/science/teenage-pregnancy-and-abortion-rates-plummet-with-long-acting-female-contraception-study-says.html



thank you, I might take a peek at that...



Kirata -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/9/2015 8:37:51 PM)


Thanks for that one, cloudboy. If the numbers are correct, the program has been wildly successful. I'd consider it worthwhile if the numbers were only half that. The only possible issue that I can see, and which the link doesn't address, is parental consent with respect to minors. But given the benefits, I think the state would have a legitimate "compelling interest" argument. I hope the program finds funding to continue.

K.











Zonie63 -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/9/2015 9:38:09 PM)

Another part of the article which was interesting:

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Proponents say the program is working. The state health department estimated that every dollar spent on the long-acting birth control initiative saved $5.85 for the state’s Medicaid program, which covers more than three-quarters of teenage pregnancies and births. Enrollment in the federal nutrition program for women with young children declined by nearly a quarter between 2010 and 2013.

So, they saved $5.85 for each dollar spent, so it's actually a good cost-saving measure.



cloudboy -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/9/2015 9:51:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

And they have now decided to scrap the program.

Apparently the initial initiative was funded from other sources.
http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20150429/NEWS01/150429564/



That's why Red States have such high teen pregnancy rates: sex violates their religious codes and belief in abstinence. For these idiots, abstinence is a policy.



eulero83 -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/10/2015 1:59:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

All I was saying is that the women have more incentive.



Apparently not enough, so it seems it's futile to deny them a sexual life. And by the way not that much more if fatheris not a bastard and takes equal responsibilities.



NorthernGent -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/10/2015 2:22:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success

WALSENBURG, Colo. — Over the past six years, Colorado has conducted one of the largest experiments with long-acting birth control. If teenagers and poor women were offered free intrauterine devices and implants that prevent pregnancy for years, state officials asked, would those women choose them?

They did in a big way, and the results were startling. The birthrate among teenagers across the state plunged by 40 percent from 2009 to 2013, while their rate of abortions fell by 42 percent, according to the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment. There was a similar decline in births for another group particularly vulnerable to unplanned pregnancies: unmarried women under 25 who have not finished high school.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/06/science/colorados-push-against-teenage-pregnancies-is-a-startling-success.html?_r=0

The highest teen pregnancy rates are all in RED STATES: NM, MS, TX, AR, LA, OK, NV, SC



Sometimes, when things clearly aren't working, it's useful for a body to take the initiative.

I think the penny should have dropped by now that education alone isn't going to do the trick: for both men and women.

Seems like they've achieved something of substance here.



tweakabelle -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/10/2015 2:35:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

And they have now decided to scrap the program.

Apparently the initial initiative was funded from other sources.
http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20150429/NEWS01/150429564/



That's why Red States have such high teen pregnancy rates: sex violates their religious codes and belief in abstinence. For these idiots, abstinence is a policy.

Plain old ignorance, and devious ideologically-driven misinformation are also big factors, it seems, if the OP is anything to go by:
"IUDs act as a hormonal barrier, making it unlikely that there would be implantation of a fertilized egg. But in rare cases, the egg can become fertilized even with the device, despite it stopping the fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus. That issue has driven much of the opposition to the bill, with critics saying the device induces abortion.

“Coloradans oppose the imposition of these kinds of mandates on us as individuals. There are religious reasons,” said Michael Norton, an attorney representing Colorado Family Action, who once served as the U.S. attorney for Colorado. “These contraceptives are abortifacients, that is they cause the demise of an implanted or fertilized human embryo.”

The blanket unqualified claim that IUDs are abortifacients is demonstrably false. IUDs prevent pregnancies except in rare cases. Why are these morons peddling lies? Haven't these morons worked out that unplanned pregnancies are one of the biggest causes of abortions yet? If people want to stop abortions the obvious way to do it is to ensure that as many pregnancies as possible are wanted and preferably planned pregnancies.



bounty44 -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/10/2015 4:55:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

And they have now decided to scrap the program.

Apparently the initial initiative was funded from other sources.
http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20150429/NEWS01/150429564/



That's why Red States have such high teen pregnancy rates: sex violates their religious codes and belief in abstinence. For these idiots, abstinence is a policy.


because even though the country as a whole was roughly 50-50 when it came to voting in the last election, those states are 100% republican and have no influence at all from democrats.

because all republicans are religious.

because there are no religious people in the other states.

because those red states only have "abstinence only" programs and nothing else.

because you have such detailed information about all those kids who got pregnant in those states that you know they came from conservative or religious families.

riiighhhhhhhhhht...





bounty44 -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/10/2015 5:05:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

Personally, I have difficulty seeing how the success of this program isn't viewed as a win/win by all parties. Fewer unwanted pregnancies, fewer abortions, fewer dependents on social services, all at a relatively low cost...isn't that what we all want, regardless of party affiliation?



I think on the surface this sounds okay...but what if the proposition of that teens who engage in sex at a young age ultimately have less satisfying marriages, women being less orgasmic during sex, and end up more frequently being divorced, is true?

not to mention the increased incidence of std's.

what if, the state supplying birth control to kids (you can just imagine this happening completely independent of the parents will or knowledge) erodes the relationship between parent and child?



thishereboi -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/10/2015 5:15:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

And they have now decided to scrap the program.

Apparently the initial initiative was funded from other sources.
http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20150429/NEWS01/150429564/


From your link.....

“It is a little disappointing because I don’t think this should be a political issue,” Coram said after the vote. “This should be a policy issue. Lives do matter, and if we’re going to break the cycle of poverty, this is a very good tool.”

Since when to repubs, has it ever been, that any policy issue...is not a political issue ? Especially one that involves money ?

The money was an astounding budget busting, earth shattering $5 million. I am sure they need that money to offset the Billion$ of subsidies to the Colorado fossil fuel industry.

HERE



You are right. This isn't a political thing which is why I wondered what the last line in the op was all about. I guess some folks can't discuss any topic without trying to turn it into a left vs right bitchfest.



Lucylastic -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/10/2015 5:18:37 AM)

Not to give them the education, information to science based facts (and not parental cabbage patch bullshit ) and the opportunity to protect themselves against all of the issues of birthcontrol and disease control(condoms, pills) is asking for trouble....as has shown in abstinence programs, they dont work..HOWEVER .education, the means to obtain bc and protection, is THE best avenue.
BTW Abstinence doesnt protect from STDS




Lucylastic -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/10/2015 5:19:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RockaRolla

Can I just comment on the irony of guys on a BDSM message board trying to discourage female sexuality?

amazing isnt it...well it would be...but ....not so much



Lucylastic -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/10/2015 5:21:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

And they have now decided to scrap the program.

Apparently the initial initiative was funded from other sources.
http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20150429/NEWS01/150429564/


From your link.....

“It is a little disappointing because I don’t think this should be a political issue,” Coram said after the vote. “This should be a policy issue. Lives do matter, and if we’re going to break the cycle of poverty, this is a very good tool.”

Since when to repubs, has it ever been, that any policy issue...is not a political issue ? Especially one that involves money ?

The money was an astounding budget busting, earth shattering $5 million. I am sure they need that money to offset the Billion$ of subsidies to the Colorado fossil fuel industry.

HERE



You are right. This isn't a political thing which is why I wondered what the last line in the op was all about. I guess some folks can't discuss any topic without trying to turn it into a left vs right bitchfest.


when else would you post honey?



thishereboi -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/10/2015 5:47:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

And they have now decided to scrap the program.

Apparently the initial initiative was funded from other sources.
http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20150429/NEWS01/150429564/



That's why Red States have such high teen pregnancy rates: sex violates their religious codes and belief in abstinence. For these idiots, abstinence is a policy.


If that is the case then please explain Detroit's high pregnancy rate. Last time I looked it was pretty blue.



cloudboy -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/10/2015 6:13:48 AM)

I don't know what's going on in Detroit in terms of policy, but poverty and joblessness (I believe) also lead higher teenage birth rates. As Colorado has demonstrated, though, there's now an effective policy it can implement to help women avoid teenage pregnancy. I don't think DET is actively engaged in a policy to deny women access to birth control.



Aylee -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/10/2015 6:31:19 AM)

~Fast Reply~

What has happened with the STD rates in Colorado?

What is the programs alternative for women that cannot use IUDs?



Lucylastic -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/10/2015 6:47:01 AM)

it was a long term ...so i think the other alternative would be implants.
as condoms are the best protection against stds...I have a feeling it may not be as low as it could be....thats an incentive for both genders



eulero83 -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/10/2015 7:47:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

Personally, I have difficulty seeing how the success of this program isn't viewed as a win/win by all parties. Fewer unwanted pregnancies, fewer abortions, fewer dependents on social services, all at a relatively low cost...isn't that what we all want, regardless of party affiliation?



I think on the surface this sounds okay...but what if the proposition of that teens who engage in sex at a young age ultimately have less satisfying marriages, women being less orgasmic during sex, and end up more frequently being divorced, is true?


are you refering to this study? You may read also these articles:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-skeptical-sleuth/201103/did-study-really-show-abstinence-marriage-makes-better-sex
http://time.com/20386/how-shacking-up-before-marriage-affects-a-relationships-success/

and as a personal opinion I think a woman is more than a wife

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not to mention the increased incidence of std's.


They are already having sex with no protection at least it's bettter if they don't add a pregancy and by the way being sexual active doesn't equate to have multiple partners.

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what if, the state supplying birth control to kids (you can just imagine this happening completely independent of the parents will or knowledge) erodes the relationship between parent and child?


than those parents are jerks, and by the way what would an unplanned pregnancy do to the relationship if the parents can't even accept using birth control?

You start from the assumption that more access to birth control will lead to more sexual promiscuity, I'm sure that a better emotional education would do better in that aspect than a bunch of religious biased unrealistic advices. It's like saying if not for a pregnancy you'd cheat on your spouse, personally don't cheat because I care for my significant other.



RockaRolla -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/10/2015 9:59:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Aylee

What is the programs alternative for women that cannot use IUDs?
Like Lucy mentioned, the implant the other mentioned option.

But if hormones are the issue, there is the copper IUD. That one gets bonus points for lasting longer.

And if none of those are viable, long term birth control may not be for you. But I can't imagine that applying to a large part of the population.



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