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RockaRolla -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/12/2015 4:39:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: RockaRolla And if the men don't have sex it'll affect the number of women having sex/getting pregnant. It goes both ways. But this "personal responsibility" argument only seems to affect the women, nobody cares about the guys who run around knocking up women without a worry or care. If it werent for child support laws you might have had something there I'm no fan of that system myself. Nor am I a fan of people using child support laws to justify regulating a woman's sexuality.

RockaRolla -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/12/2015 4:43:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: RockaRolla quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success WALSENBURG, Colo. — Over the past six years, Colorado has conducted one of the largest experiments with long-acting birth control. If teenagers and poor women were offered free intrauterine devices and implants that prevent pregnancy for years, state officials asked, would those women choose them? They did in a big way, and the results were startling. The birthrate among teenagers across the state plunged by 40 percent from 2009 to 2013, while their rate of abortions fell by 42 percent, according to the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment. There was a similar decline in births for another group particularly vulnerable to unplanned pregnancies: unmarried women under 25 who have not finished high school. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/06/science/colorados-push-against-teenage-pregnancies-is-a-startling-success.html?_r=0 The highest teen pregnancy rates are all in RED STATES: NM, MS, TX, AR, LA, OK, NV, SC One has to wonder what the teen pregnancy rate would have done if those women had decided to not have sex. We don't have to wonder, of course, and the result would be the same if the men decided not to have sex. But of course, we'll only demonize the sexuality of half the population. For one, why should we presume to tell women they shouldn't be having sex? For another, how do you propose to stop them? Sure, it takes two. I do apologize for not including the males in my question. For one, no one said we'd tell the women they shouldn't be having sex. For another, if they "decided to not have sex," no one would be needed to stop them. So exactly what is your point here? Sure, we can sit around and declare that it'd be just so nice if women stopped doing something about their sex drives so we wouldn't need these programs, but we don't live in that fantasyland. People get horny, they fuck, regardless of their sex/gender. The fact that we're on this forum is evidence of that, and the reason why I'm so baffled that this is an issue. Fact is, you can't stop women from having sex if they want to. (Unless they're trying to have sex with you, then that's a completely different issue.) We could also say flu outbreaks could be drastically reduced if people just decided to stay inside, but that ain't happening either. So from a public health perspective, it makes more sense to do something other than change human behavior.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/12/2015 6:04:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Not giving kids the education about birth control and stds is deplorable. No one, but you, has said anything about sex education. Abstaining from sex is as effective at preventing STD's as using condoms.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/12/2015 6:05:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Bristol Palin has some strong views on sexual abstinence ... perhaps we should consult her ...???? I would have to guess that hers is a particularly subjective definition. Should we do what she says or do what she does? What does it matter, to this thread, what Bristol Palin says or does? Are you saying that she wouldn't have gotten pregnant if she walked the walk she talks? Be careful of your answer to that, though. If you agree she wouldn't have gotten pregnant, you'd actually be siding with me.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/12/2015 6:10:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RockaRolla So exactly what is your point here? Sure, we can sit around and declare that it'd be just so nice if women stopped doing something about their sex drives so we wouldn't need these programs, but we don't live in that fantasyland. People get horny, they fuck, regardless of their sex/gender. The fact that we're on this forum is evidence of that, and the reason why I'm so baffled that this is an issue. Fact is, you can't stop women from having sex if they want to. (Unless they're trying to have sex with you, then that's a completely different issue.) We could also say flu outbreaks could be drastically reduced if people just decided to stay inside, but that ain't happening either. So from a public health perspective, it makes more sense to do something other than change human behavior. 1. I'm not opposed to the program. Never said I was. 2. When you take public dollars to give away "stuff," regardless of what that "stuff" is, you'll end up with people relying on government for that "stuff." 3. The decline was due, in part, to teens deciding to not have sex. So, apparently, human behavior was also changed, which is good.

Lucylastic -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/12/2015 6:12:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Not giving kids the education about birth control and stds is deplorable. No one, but you, has said anything about sex education. Abstaining from sex is as effective at preventing STD's as using condoms. Lmao you dont think that these women arent educated in this specific programs? Its all about education so they know that abstinence is no sexual contact at all? we still have kids who think or "heard"that you cant get pregnant if you jump up and down after sex? Education, and pre armed with correct info , goes a long way. damn i thought i was getting old, really.....

Zonie63 -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/12/2015 7:08:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic There was a story about an abstinence only school in texas just recently...20 students ended up(so far) with Chlamydia http://www.aol.com/article/2015/05/07/an-abstinence-only-texas-high-school-has-chlamydia-outbreak/21180978/ Not giving kids the education about birth control and stds is deplorable. So, they're telling the kids not to have sex, yet they're having sex anyway? Who would have thought that could happen?

DesideriScuri -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/13/2015 12:37:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Not giving kids the education about birth control and stds is deplorable. No one, but you, has said anything about sex education. Abstaining from sex is as effective at preventing STD's as using condoms. Lmao you dont think that these women arent educated in this specific programs? Its all about education so they know that abstinence is no sexual contact at all? we still have kids who think or "heard"that you cant get pregnant if you jump up and down after sex? Education, and pre armed with correct info , goes a long way. damn i thought i was getting old, really..... And, yet, no one said anything about limiting their educations to only be abstinence. No one here is advocating they don't learn about STD's, prevention, and contraception.

Lucylastic -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/13/2015 1:29:50 AM)
Then Im sorry you only responded to the wording I used, under the url I posted about Chlamydia, obviously you didnt read it.... http://www.aol.com/article/2015/05/07/an-abstinence-only-texas-high-school-has-chlamydia-outbreak/21180978/which is WHERE my comment came from' quote: Now according to Texas law, schools have to spend more time teaching kids about abstinence than about any other sexual behavior. This school doesn't have a sex education at all. Even though study after study shows that abstinence-only education leads to higher rates of teenage pregnancy. If kids are getting chlamydia -- which is spread through unprotected sex -- they're certainly at risk of getting pregnant. Teens are obviously engaging in sexual activity. Preaching abstinence doesn't do much to stop them, but sex education can teach them to do it safely.

Lucylastic -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/13/2015 1:33:57 AM)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/05/07/texas-high-school-with-chlamydia-outbreak-has-abstinence-only-sex-ed/ Funding for abstinence-only sex education — which Crane provides for three days per year, as People reported — was greatly expanded by the federal government under President Reagan. Abstinence-only is based on the idea that the only way to avoid possible consequences of sex such as pregnancy and disease is to avoid having it. It’s long been a target of scientists, researchers and liberals who say young people need more information about safe sex, such as the use of condoms to avoid sexually transmitted disease. ANother front the ABC with a copy of the letter sent home to parents [image]http://a.abcnews.com/images/Health/ht_crane_school_std_outbreak_jc_150505_4x3_992.jpg[/image] The school does not have a sexual education program, according to Crane's student handbook for the 2014-15 school year, which is posted online. "Currently, Crane ISD does not offer a curriculum in human sexuality," the handbook says, explaining that if it ever does institute such a program, the parent can opt out. According to the handbook, state law requires more attention must be spent on abstinence than other behavior. The school district did not respond to a request by ABC News for comment beyond the letter. Dr. Jennifer Ashton, a senior medical contributor for ABC News and practicing OBGYN, said half of her patients are women under 21 years old. "The factual knowledge regarding [sexually transmitted infections] is generally poor," she said, adding that it prompted her to write a book, "The Body Scoop for Girls." "Reproductive health or sex ed courses have enormous variability in their content and teaching approach. Factors such as geographic region, school district and teacher beliefs/comfort with this subject matter all come into play," Ashton noted. "Abstinence only may sound ideal but it's not realistic," Ashton said. "And in theory, better education reduces adverse outcomes." http://abcnews.go.com/Health/chlamydia-outbreak-hits-texas-high-school-sex-ed/story?id=30798143

DesideriScuri -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/13/2015 1:15:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Then Im sorry you only responded to the wording I used, under the url I posted about Chlamydia, obviously you didnt read it.... http://www.aol.com/article/2015/05/07/an-abstinence-only-texas-high-school-has-chlamydia-outbreak/21180978/which is WHERE my comment came from' quote: Now according to Texas law, schools have to spend more time teaching kids about abstinence than about any other sexual behavior. This school doesn't have a sex education at all. Even though study after study shows that abstinence-only education leads to higher rates of teenage pregnancy. If kids are getting chlamydia -- which is spread through unprotected sex -- they're certainly at risk of getting pregnant. Teens are obviously engaging in sexual activity. Preaching abstinence doesn't do much to stop them, but sex education can teach them to do it safely. I see, so you can adjust the discussion any way you like it. Good luck with that. Your response to the discussion about abstinence being as effective as condoms in STD prevention is to put out a link where abstinence-only education has failed, even though that has absolutely nothing to do with the point we were discussing. That must be your way of acceding.

Lucylastic -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/13/2015 7:02:01 PM)
Lmao...yes thats right, i must bow to your supreme logic of abstinence, is all we women need. bollocks. You took me on, you failed , thread drift....happens....dont respond to it if you cant take the heat in the first place. If you cant see that your defense of abstinence led to actual proof that abstinence only isnt always a gooood idea without actual education about the reality of any sexual activity. Condoms , birth control and education have more to do with unplanned pregnancy figures, dropping than abstinence has. Oh unless you buy into denying women access to health and family planning to teens , and women of all ages, is the moral thing to do. Yes its part of the topic.

thishereboi -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/14/2015 1:55:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy Well if you do any reading, you know that "abstinence" states whose leadership is highly tied to religion have sky-high teen age pregnancy rates. This is a FACT. I don't know the background of DET -- but like I said, COLO offers a model to attack the problem. What the larger point here is that RED STATES don't want a solution, they want instead to observe religious principles. I might also point out that DET is a city and not a state. Of course it's a city and not a state duh. And a very liberal and religious one at that. Now I understand that you would like to believe it's only the religious folks on the right who want to observe religious principle but hiding from the truth isn't going to help anything. It only makes you look like an idiot.

tweakabelle -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/14/2015 2:37:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Bristol Palin has some strong views on sexual abstinence ... perhaps we should consult her ...???? I would have to guess that hers is a particularly subjective definition. Should we do what she says or do what she does? What does it matter, to this thread, what Bristol Palin says or does? Are you saying that she wouldn't have gotten pregnant if she walked the walk she talks? Be careful of your answer to that, though. If you agree she wouldn't have gotten pregnant, you'd actually be siding with me. I was trying to highlight that programs that rely exclusively on abstinence don't work - when one of the principal proponents of abstinence gets pregnant the flaws in that approach are obvious. People are not going to stop having sex no matter what others may say or do. Alternative approaches particularly those that empower teens to make informed and sensible choices for themselves through education are far more effective ways to deal with this issue. My experience in education tells me that when treated like responsible thinking people, teens mostly respond in responsible thoughtful ways, as I believe the stats quoted in the OP confirm. Treating people like idiots - like pretending that they aren't going to have sex or take drugs for example - tends to generate irresponsible reactions. If people wish to use religious dogma to inform their sexual choices that's fine for them, but to impose this approach on all is an approach guaranteed to fail. Education empowers teens to make informed sensible choices for themselves.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/14/2015 2:36:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Lmao...yes thats right, i must bow to your supreme logic of abstinence, is all we women need. bollocks. You took me on, you failed , thread drift....happens....dont respond to it if you cant take the heat in the first place. I didn't fail. You have not proven that abstinence isn't as effective as condoms for STD prevention. quote: If you cant see that your defense of abstinence led to actual proof that abstinence only isnt always a gooood idea without actual education about the reality of any sexual activity. Condoms , birth control and education have more to do with unplanned pregnancy figures, dropping than abstinence has. Here we have the "lack of education" point (which we actually agree on) being proof that abstinence isn't "always a gooood idea." That doesn't prove anything about abstaining from sex, with regards to contracting STD's. quote: Oh unless you buy into denying women access to health and family planning to teens , and women of all ages, is the moral thing to do. Yes its part of the topic. LMAO!!! You're just throwing any old shit against the wall to see what sticks!! LMMFAO!!! That's damn near signed, sealed, and delivered proof you know you have nothing, but won't give in!!

DesideriScuri -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/14/2015 2:41:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Bristol Palin has some strong views on sexual abstinence ... perhaps we should consult her ...???? I would have to guess that hers is a particularly subjective definition. Should we do what she says or do what she does? What does it matter, to this thread, what Bristol Palin says or does? Are you saying that she wouldn't have gotten pregnant if she walked the walk she talks? Be careful of your answer to that, though. If you agree she wouldn't have gotten pregnant, you'd actually be siding with me. I was trying to highlight that programs that rely exclusively on abstinence don't work - when one of the principal proponents of abstinence gets pregnant the flaws in that approach are obvious. People are not going to stop having sex no matter what others may say or do. Obviously, Bristol Palin didn't walk the walk she talked, else, she'd not have gotten pregnant. Please tell me you agree with that statement. quote: Alternative approaches particularly those that empower teens to make informed and sensible choices for themselves through education are far more effective ways to deal with this issue. My experience in education tells me that when treated like responsible thinking people, teens mostly respond in responsible thoughtful ways, as I believe the stats quoted in the OP confirm. Treating people like idiots - like pretending that they aren't going to have sex or take drugs for example - tends to generate irresponsible reactions. If people wish to use religious dogma to inform their sexual choices that's fine for them, but to impose this approach on all is an approach guaranteed to fail. Education empowers teens to make informed sensible choices for themselves. Where did I call for "abstinence-only" education? Where? Good luck finding it. I don't agree with it. When my boys get to that age (and one is getting close), my advice will be: "Don't have sex until you're ready to deal with the potential consequences (pregnancy, STD's, etc.), but if you are going to have sex, use protection." I might even provide condoms, just in case.

tweakabelle -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/15/2015 8:53:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Bristol Palin has some strong views on sexual abstinence ... perhaps we should consult her ...???? I would have to guess that hers is a particularly subjective definition. Should we do what she says or do what she does? What does it matter, to this thread, what Bristol Palin says or does? Are you saying that she wouldn't have gotten pregnant if she walked the walk she talks? Be careful of your answer to that, though. If you agree she wouldn't have gotten pregnant, you'd actually be siding with me. I was trying to highlight that programs that rely exclusively on abstinence don't work - when one of the principal proponents of abstinence gets pregnant the flaws in that approach are obvious. People are not going to stop having sex no matter what others may say or do. Obviously, Bristol Palin didn't walk the walk she talked, else, she'd not have gotten pregnant. Please tell me you agree with that statement. Yep I agree with your statement. But the larger point that I was trying to highlight relates to the deficencies of abstinence-only campaigns quote: quote: Alternative approaches particularly those that empower teens to make informed and sensible choices for themselves through education are far more effective ways to deal with this issue. My experience in education tells me that when treated like responsible thinking people, teens mostly respond in responsible thoughtful ways, as I believe the stats quoted in the OP confirm. Treating people like idiots - like pretending that they aren't going to have sex or take drugs for example - tends to generate irresponsible reactions. If people wish to use religious dogma to inform their sexual choices that's fine for them, but to impose this approach on all is an approach guaranteed to fail. Education empowers teens to make informed sensible choices for themselves. Where did I call for "abstinence-only" education? Where? Good luck finding it. I don't agree with it. When my boys get to that age (and one is getting close), my advice will be: "Don't have sex until you're ready to deal with the potential consequences (pregnancy, STD's, etc.), but if you are going to have sex, use protection." I might even provide condoms, just in case. I'm glad to hear that you aren't proposing abstinence only education in this area. And I am heartened to hear that you will be giving your boys some sound advice.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/15/2015 2:28:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Yep I agree with your statement. But the larger point that I was trying to highlight relates to the deficencies of abstinence-only campaigns I'm glad to hear that you aren't proposing abstinence only education in this area. And I am heartened to hear that you will be giving your boys some sound advice. That's just it. I don't advocate for "abstinence-only" education programs. I do advocate for abstinence being the only action that will prevent pregnancy every time (barring non-consensual sex), as there has only been one report (which doesn't have any hard, concrete evidence backing it up) of that happening in all of recorded history.

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