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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
I personally don't trust the Iranians. They are overly aggressive and antaganistic, especially toward the US and overly supportive of terrorism. And after Operation Eagle Claw invasion of Iran by Carter, they had less reason to trust us. I also think the issue will be resolved by Israel which will be another real problem in the Mid East for us to continue with. We have no official diplomatic relations with Iran.

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

I personally don't trust the Iranians. They are overly aggressive and antaganistic, especially toward the US and overly supportive of terrorism. And after Operation Eagle Claw invasion of Iran by Carter, they had less reason to trust us. I also think the issue will be resolved by Israel which will be another real problem in the Mid East for us to continue with. We have no official diplomatic relations with Iran.

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

I personally don't trust the Iranians. They are overly aggressive and antaganistic, especially toward the US and overly supportive of terrorism. And after Operation Eagle Claw invasion of Iran by Carter, they had less reason to trust us. I also think the issue will be resolved by Israel which will be another real problem in the Mid East for us to continue with. We have no official diplomatic relations with Iran.

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ORIGINAL: epiphiny43

Given their history with the US from our installation of the Shah's almost US puppet regime (Anyone here actually pay attention to history?) their antagonism is fully comprehend able, and maybe mild given the past. The US also supplied the military equipment and trained the Shah's security and interrogation services, reputedly one of the most violent in a violent region. Who the CIA was under cover when they could have effective camouflage?? One of many black parts of the Cold War. As Churchill noted, the worst evil of dictatorships is that democracies feel forced to imitate them to survive.

With all that, peace requires peoples and governments to engage, not snarl at each other and do the utmost to demonize each other domestically and internationally. I'm seeing the mass of Iranians looking hopefully to a period of peace and growth after a far more turbulent and violent period than any sane person could wish for their children and family. Hopefully this counterbalances the crazies willing to see cultural and mass obliteration as a price worth paying to oppose Israel.
Those on the Right who are upset by Any negotiations of substance (Meaning the Iranians get anything besides humiliation.) have to remember peace is only arranged by the brave. Anger and hostility are the primary outward signs of fear. Be the change you want to see in the world. We have had enough centuries of fear determining the course of nations and peoples. Way past time to let the intramural disputes among humans have a rest while we try to save the only planet worth living on.

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...women lack the ability to choose their husbands, have no independent right to education after marriage, no right to divorce, no right to child custody, have no protection from violent treatment in public spaces, are restricted by quotas for women's admission at universities, and are arrested, beaten, and imprisoned for peacefully seeking change of such laws.

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Sanity
Weird how leftists keep going back to the Shah. "But the Shah! The Shah!" The Shah was a cream puff compared to the unelected monsters who Carter installed, and who leftists seem to worship. Would you like to be interrogated by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard?

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

And the Dems are as skeptical too

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/key-democrats-skeptical-of-iran-deal-120123.html

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

And the Dems are as skeptical too

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/key-democrats-skeptical-of-iran-deal-120123.html

Our friends and allies in the region arent impressed much

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

And the Dems are as skeptical too

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/key-democrats-skeptical-of-iran-deal-120123.html

Our friends and allies in the region arent impressed much

Good. They can fuck off.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

As crazy as it sounds, the only interpretation of the above that makes sense is that you are actually alleging that "Carter ... installed" the Khomeini regime in Iran after the downfall of the US puppet the Shah.

Crazy because this claim is at total variance to the historical record, which is that Khomeini came to power in Iran after a popular revolution threw out the despotic and hated Shah. Crazy because one the first acts of the new regime was to allow the storming of the US Embassy and taking hostage of the diplomats there, which in turn led to an international crisis lasting well over a year. Crazy because this crisis put paid to Carter's Presidency according to most commentators.

Perhaps the only use this ridiculous claim has is that it is a salient indicator of the gap between the notions that occur in your head and the phenomenon that most of the rest of us experience as reality. In a single sentence you have destroyed whatever (limited) credibility you may have possessed .....

I hope someone in your immediate surrounds has phoned for those nice people in white coats to come and take you away to an Instititue for the Very Very Nervous and People Allergic to Reality. Best you up your meds until they arrive ......