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ORIGINAL: Sanity
And even if Carter only handed Iran over to the mullahs on a silver platter due to sheer stupidity and incompetence, it is still he who installed the religious fanatics there into power

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What we get:

- Iran reduces by about half the number of centrifuges actively enriching uranium

- Iran reduces its stockpile of enriched uranium from about five tons to 300 kilograms

- Iran repurposes its heavy water reactor in Arak so it does not produce plutonium

- An unspecified increase in inspections by the IAEA

What Iran gets:

Sanctions relief:

- Almost every type of U.S., EU, and UN sanctions lifted

- Repeal of six UN Security Council resolutions declaring the Iranian nuclear program illegal

- Top IRGC and Quds Force terrorists removed from the sanctions list, including Qassem Suleimani, leader of Iran’s campaign against U.S. soldiers in Iraq, and Ahmad Vahidi, mastermind of the 1994 Jewish community center bombing in Argentina that killed 85 people

- The removal from the sanctions list of approximately 800 people and legal entities, including 23 out of 24 Iranian banks

- $100 to $150 billion to be unfrozen and given to Iran with no restrictions on its use to purchase arms and fund terrorism, including funding for Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Assad regime in Syria

Nuclear program:

- Iran keeps every one of its nuclear centrifuges

- Iran keeps its entire physical nuclear infrastructure, including the enrichment facilities at Fordow and Natanz and the nuclear reactor at Bushehr

- Iran permitted to continue research and development on all of its advanced centrifuge designs, reducing nuclear breakout time at the end of the deal to weeks

- Iran permitted to transition its allowed enrichment of uranium from older centrifuge designs to advanced designs

- No “anywhere, anytime” inspections. Iran can delay inspection of any site for at least 24 days

- No requirement that Iran fully disclose past nuclear weapons research and development (known as the PMD issue)

- The P5+1 western powers pledge to collaborate with Iran on nuclear technology

- Restrictions on enrichment – part of the “sunset” of the deal – are lifted after eight years

- If Iran is thought to have violated the deal, in order to “snap back” sanctions a dispute resolution process must be undertaken that can last two and a half months, after which the matter can be referred to the UN Security Council. At the UNSC, the re-imposition of sanctions can be vetoed by Russia, which stands to earn billions of dollars from arms sales to a non-sanctioned Iran.

Concessions unrelated to nuclear program:

- Ballistic missile embargo lifted after eight years


- Conventional arms embargo lifted after five years

- Iran keeps U.S. hostages

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Obama and Kerrys fantastic deal -

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What we get:

- Iran reduces by about half the number of centrifuges actively enriching uranium

- Iran reduces its stockpile of enriched uranium from about five tons to 300 kilograms

- Iran repurposes its heavy water reactor in Arak so it does not produce plutonium

- An unspecified increase in inspections by the IAEA

What Iran gets:

Sanctions relief:

- Almost every type of U.S., EU, and UN sanctions lifted

- Repeal of six UN Security Council resolutions declaring the Iranian nuclear program illegal

- Top IRGC and Quds Force terrorists removed from the sanctions list, including Qassem Suleimani, leader of Iran’s campaign against U.S. soldiers in Iraq, and Ahmad Vahidi, mastermind of the 1994 Jewish community center bombing in Argentina that killed 85 people

- The removal from the sanctions list of approximately 800 people and legal entities, including 23 out of 24 Iranian banks

- $100 to $150 billion to be unfrozen and given to Iran with no restrictions on its use to purchase arms and fund terrorism, including funding for Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Assad regime in Syria

Nuclear program:

- Iran keeps every one of its nuclear centrifuges

- Iran keeps its entire physical nuclear infrastructure, including the enrichment facilities at Fordow and Natanz and the nuclear reactor at Bushehr

- Iran permitted to continue research and development on all of its advanced centrifuge designs, reducing nuclear breakout time at the end of the deal to weeks

- Iran permitted to transition its allowed enrichment of uranium from older centrifuge designs to advanced designs

- No “anywhere, anytime” inspections. Iran can delay inspection of any site for at least 24 days

- No requirement that Iran fully disclose past nuclear weapons research and development (known as the PMD issue)

- The P5+1 western powers pledge to collaborate with Iran on nuclear technology

- Restrictions on enrichment – part of the “sunset” of the deal – are lifted after eight years

- If Iran is thought to have violated the deal, in order to “snap back” sanctions a dispute resolution process must be undertaken that can last two and a half months, after which the matter can be referred to the UN Security Council. At the UNSC, the re-imposition of sanctions can be vetoed by Russia, which stands to earn billions of dollars from arms sales to a non-sanctioned Iran.

Concessions unrelated to nuclear program:

- Ballistic missile embargo lifted after eight years


- Conventional arms embargo lifted after five years

- Iran keeps U.S. hostages

With leaders like this who needs enemies

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Uh, you see any nukes in North Korea?

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: epiphiny43

Given their history with the US from our installation of the Shah's almost US puppet regime (Anyone here actually pay attention to history?) their antagonism is fully comprehend able, and maybe mild given the past. The US also supplied the military equipment and trained the Shah's security and interrogation services, reputedly one of the most violent in a violent region. Who the CIA was under cover when they could have effective camouflage?? One of many black parts of the Cold War. As Churchill noted, the worst evil of dictatorships is that democracies feel forced to imitate them to survive.

With all that, peace requires peoples and governments to engage, not snarl at each other and do the utmost to demonize each other domestically and internationally. I'm seeing the mass of Iranians looking hopefully to a period of peace and growth after a far more turbulent and violent period than any sane person could wish for their children and family. Hopefully this counterbalances the crazies willing to see cultural and mass obliteration as a price worth paying to oppose Israel.
Those on the Right who are upset by Any negotiations of substance (Meaning the Iranians get anything besides humiliation.) have to remember peace is only arranged by the brave. Anger and hostility are the primary outward signs of fear. Be the change you want to see in the world. We have had enough centuries of fear determining the course of nations and peoples. Way past time to let the intramural disputes among humans have a rest while we try to save the only planet worth living on.

Weird how leftists keep going back to the Shah. "But the Shah! The Shah!" The Shah was a cream puff compared to the un-elected monsters who Carter installed, and who leftists seem to worship. Would you like to be interrogated by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard?

Iranian women under the Shah:



They could work, go to school, have a life.

Iranian women now:

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...women lack the ability to choose their husbands, have no independent right to education after marriage, no right to divorce, no right to child custody, have no protection from violent treatment in public spaces, are restricted by quotas for women's admission at universities, and are arrested, beaten, and imprisoned for peacefully seeking change of such laws.

Iran - Women are number one enemies of mullahs

The Revolutionary Guard represents "liberal" ideals in so many ways...

Gay Iranians Forced to Surgically Change Gender

And the Mullahs are openly laughing about how they won.



The terms of this deal are terrible

The American citizens who are being held in Iran arent mentioned, the centrifuges keep spinning, there are no clear terms about unannounced inspections... The list goes on and on.

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CNN's Dana Bash and Don Lemon criticized CBS News' Major Garrett Wednesday for asking President Obama how the White House could hail its nuclear deal with Tehran even as four Americans are being held prisoner by Iran.

"I've been a White House reporter," Bash said after the White House press briefing Wednesday. "You know what it's like to stand up and ask the president a question — and you do want to be tough."

"But there's a fine line, especially standing in the East Room — a fine line between asking a tough question and maybe crossing that line a little bit, and maybe being disrespectful. So I think that that happened there," she added.

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I wonder, what is the rush?

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

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CNN's Dana Bash and Don Lemon criticized CBS News' Major Garrett Wednesday for asking President Obama how the White House could hail its nuclear deal with Tehran even as four Americans are being held prisoner by Iran.

"I've been a White House reporter," Bash said after the White House press briefing Wednesday. "You know what it's like to stand up and ask the president a question — and you do want to be tough."

"But there's a fine line, especially standing in the East Room — a fine line between asking a tough question and maybe crossing that line a little bit, and maybe being disrespectful. So I think that that happened there," she added.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/cnn-reporters-journalist-was-out-of-line-asking-obama-about-american-hostages/article/2568357

Don't ask Obama questions

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I'm also of the belief that there's no such thing as a stupid question

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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I'm also of the belief that there's no such thing as a stupid question

Hell, you could regret saying that one day. ;-)

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