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RE: internment camps for ‘radicalized’ Americans - 7/22/2015 6:00:39 AM   
Zonie63


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Coca-Cola drinkers should be added to the list. They are supporters of LTC John Pemberton, lieutenant colonel of the Confederate Army's 12th Cavalry Regiment, Georgia State Guard, the inventor.


Well, that wouldn't count because Coke was invented after the Civil War. Those who drive Volkswagens, on the other hand...

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RE: internment camps for ‘radicalized’ Americans - 7/22/2015 6:04:22 AM   
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someone posted carlin on rights, who points out that you have privileges not rights and you only have them when it suits the needs of the gubmint.



Yes, but the same idea means that governments don't have any rights either. Laws, just like rights, are totally imaginary. Whatever the government writes down on paper is just as much bullshit for themselves as it is for everyone else.

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RE: internment camps for ‘radicalized’ Americans - 7/22/2015 1:32:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
someone posted carlin on rights, who points out that you have privileges not rights and you only have them when it suits the needs of the gubmint.

Yes, but the same idea means that governments don't have any rights either. Laws, just like rights, are totally imaginary. Whatever the government writes down on paper is just as much bullshit for themselves as it is for everyone else.


According to the Framer's of our current Government, George Carlin is partially right.

Anything you get from government is a privilege, and, yes, you get them when it's okay with government for you to have them.

But, according to the Framer's, all rights are inherent in individuals. Governments only have the privileges granted it by the governed.

Can I grant you the privilege to drive Ken's car? Of course not. I don't have the authority to do that, unless it's been given to me by Ken (the one who has the rights to the car). You can't give out what you don't have.

Government is created to secure inalienable rights, not grant them.


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RE: internment camps for ‘radicalized’ Americans - 7/22/2015 2:17:36 PM   
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Coca-Cola drinkers should be added to the list. They are supporters of LTC John Pemberton, lieutenant colonel of the Confederate Army's 12th Cavalry Regiment, Georgia State Guard, the inventor. I became a pepsi fan after they came out with New coke. Now I drink Big K Diet Cola (a Kroger brand)

Yea, I know. That's why I switched to Dr. Pepper long ago. But I am thinking it may not be too long before we Pepper drinkers will be assessed as radicals too.

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RE: internment camps for ‘radicalized’ Americans - 7/22/2015 2:19:41 PM   
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I am seriously having trouble wrapping my head around the idea that anyone, anyone, thinks this is a good idea.

It is the natural progression from Joe's statement that conservatives and libertarians need to let the government do their thinking for them.


You misquote me. I stated....CONSERVATIVE government. Meaning, conservatives control government. Since there are many instances in which this has happened, and 'non' government conservatives, were 'OK' with the issue. But if a liberal or moderate government person stated/did the same thing, conservatives were all up in arms over it.

Take for example Benghazi. How many Republicans and Tea Partiers wanted to Impeach President Obama? Attack and jail Mrs. Clinton? The number of 'committees' formed to 'find the truth and fact' about the attack?

Now how many of them for former President George W. Bush and his administration for the 17 'Benghazi' like attacks under his watch?

Need another example?

William Clinton lies about having an affair in the White House to Congress and the American people. He gets impeached.

George W. Bush lies about getting the nation into a warzone in Iraq. 3,500+ dead US Soldiers, 32,500+ wounded US Soldiers, 100,000-600,000 civilians killed, and about $2-4 trillion in borrowed money used. Was he impeached by the same Republican controlled Congress that was also in control with Clinton?

Or on to my thread about conservatives, libertarians, Republicans and Tea Partiers lying about a heavily edited nine minute video about Planned Parenthood? That the three hour video shows nothing legally or ethically going on. Where are all the calls to hold these people accountability and responsible?

I can make the 'air tight' argument to which you do not have an effective counter, because your viewpoints are shit. You lost credibility when you don't hold the people you support to the same level as you bash the President and Democrats. Or am I missing the posts to which you bash the other conservatives and libertarians on this forum when they overlooked or denied these realities and facts?

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RE: internment camps for ‘radicalized’ Americans - 7/22/2015 2:24:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		William Clinton lies about having an affair in the White House to Congress and the American people. He gets impeached.

How do you forget that Bill Clinton lied in court under oath, that is what he was impeached for.
It is called perjury, a felony.
And before you start in Democratic Senators stated he was guilty of perjury and that it was impeachable just before voting not guilty.

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RE: internment camps for ‘radicalized’ Americans - 7/22/2015 2:32:05 PM   
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William Clinton lies about having an affair in the White House to Congress and the American people. He gets impeached.

How do you forget that Bill Clinton lied in court under oath, that is what he was impeached for.
It is called perjury, a felony.
And before you start in Democratic Senators stated he was guilty of perjury and that it was impeachable just before voting not guilty.

But the whole lawsuit was a civil action allowed in an unprecedented capitulation of a fed. court. So most who voted not to remove knew a political vote was necessary to stop a political lawsuit.

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RE: internment camps for ‘radicalized’ Americans - 7/22/2015 2:32:09 PM   
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someone posted carlin on rights, who points out that you have privileges not rights and you only have them when it suits the needs of the gubmint.

Yes, but the same idea means that governments don't have any rights either. Laws, just like rights, are totally imaginary. Whatever the government writes down on paper is just as much bullshit for themselves as it is for everyone else.


Your both incorrect. Since 'rights' are directly connected to the 'US Constitution' and the 'federal government'. If the federal government didn't exist, that implies the 'US Constitution' does not exist; therefore your rights do not exist under either entity. If the 'US Constitution' doesn't exist, but the federal government does, its not the federal government, but a new form of government (which could be good or evil depending on how it runs); therefore your 'rights' would not exist either. Without 'rights' as we understand them now, would be a major set of legal changes to the 'US Constitution' and how the 'federal government' operates; thus creating a new entity. So all three of these elements are intrinsically tied to each other.

The concept of 'a law' does not exist in nature or reality. It is a man-made creation of thought and process. A law is designed to either promote good behavior or diminish bad behavior. A sort of 'carrot and stick' approach in different cases of both.

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RE: internment camps for ‘radicalized’ Americans - 7/22/2015 2:36:47 PM   
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William Clinton lies about having an affair in the White House to Congress and the American people. He gets impeached.

How do you forget that Bill Clinton lied in court under oath, that is what he was impeached for.
It is called perjury, a felony.
And before you start in Democratic Senators stated he was guilty of perjury and that it was impeachable just before voting not guilty.


He got impeached for having an affair by someone prosecuting him who was....ALSO....having and affair at the time! How many of those other Republicans were having affairs, or had affairs, that were on the signing line with the Speaker of the House?

He didn't lie directly under oath of this particular thing; its how the GOP 'massaged the message' to the public. Go ahead. Have an open and objective mind and go study the chain of events.

Notice I'm not talking about the Democrats that attacked him? Because they...ALSO...attacked George W. Bush and the Iraq War's issues. The Democrats had it 'right'.

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RE: internment camps for ‘radicalized’ Americans - 7/22/2015 3:44:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: joether

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William Clinton lies about having an affair in the White House to Congress and the American people. He gets impeached.

How do you forget that Bill Clinton lied in court under oath, that is what he was impeached for.
It is called perjury, a felony.
And before you start in Democratic Senators stated he was guilty of perjury and that it was impeachable just before voting not guilty.


He got impeached for having an affair by someone prosecuting him who was....ALSO....having and affair at the time! How many of those other Republicans were having affairs, or had affairs, that were on the signing line with the Speaker of the House?

He didn't lie directly under oath of this particular thing; its how the GOP 'massaged the message' to the public. Go ahead. Have an open and objective mind and go study the chain of events.

Notice I'm not talking about the Democrats that attacked him? Because they...ALSO...attacked George W. Bush and the Iraq War's issues. The Democrats had it 'right'.

WRONG, SO WRONG. He did lie under oath. This and coaching people to testify is what he was impeached for. You also forget that Gingrich resigned when his affair came to light. Clinton lied under oath. Democrats didn't attack him they made up excuses for him. And while saying he was guilty of a felony and an impeachable offense voted not guilty.

What does this have to do with a liberal Democrat advocating interment camps?
Nothing.
If you want to rehash a 16 year old debate start a thread instead of trying to derail this one.
Is derailing the only thing you have these days?

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RE: internment camps for ‘radicalized’ Americans - 7/22/2015 4:45:30 PM   
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Your both incorrect. Since 'rights' are directly connected to the 'US Constitution' and the 'federal government'.


And, you failed Declaration of Independence 101.

All rights are within the individual. The only reason we have a government, is to secure those rights. That's it.

What's more, the compact that was written (aka the US Constitution) was not only of the people, but of the States, as well. Individuals, and States both granted privileges to the Federal Government, passing authority for certain things.

Seriously, Joether. Maybe you should have spent time reading the Declaration of Independence, the US Constitution, and The Federalist Papers, instead of reading Obamacare.

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RE: internment camps for ‘radicalized’ Americans - 7/23/2015 3:31:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

According to the Framer's of our current Government, George Carlin is partially right.

Anything you get from government is a privilege, and, yes, you get them when it's okay with government for you to have them.

But, according to the Framer's, all rights are inherent in individuals. Governments only have the privileges granted it by the governed.

Can I grant you the privilege to drive Ken's car? Of course not. I don't have the authority to do that, unless it's been given to me by Ken (the one who has the rights to the car). You can't give out what you don't have.

Government is created to secure inalienable rights, not grant them.



I don't think they're "inherent," otherwise we'd be able to find rights in our DNA. With all due respect to our Founders' religious beliefs, I don't believe that any "Creator" endowed us with rights either. All we really have is our intelligence and physical abilities. If it's physically possible to do it, then one might say that nature gives us the "right" to do it. On a more primitive level, "government" is nothing more than the toughest guy in the group taking charge and imposing his will on everyone else. Nobody has to "grant" anything, but the more intelligent tyrants eventually came to realize that they could get more done and gain more power by granting some indulgences now and again. There's strength in numbers, and "you get more flies with honey..."

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RE: internment camps for ‘radicalized’ Americans - 7/23/2015 6:00:09 AM   
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Ret. General Wesley Clark proposes bringing back internment camps for ‘radicalized’ Americans - Remember he ran for Pres as a Dem which makes this even more confusing.

You'll note he didn't get very far in that bid for office either, which isn't confusing at all.

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RE: internment camps for ‘radicalized’ Americans - 7/23/2015 9:32:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Ret. General Wesley Clark proposes bringing back internment camps for ‘radicalized’ Americans - Remember he ran for Pres as a Dem which makes this even more confusing.

You'll note he didn't get very far in that bid for office either, which isn't confusing at all.


He was the lefttists' darling for a time, until he proved he was too much of a raving lunatic even for them

Much like Howeird Dean



BTW, re the thread topic...

Wesley Clark Didn't Mean Internment; He Meant Re-Education Camp!

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RE: internment camps for ‘radicalized’ Americans - 7/23/2015 9:41:13 AM   
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RE: internment camps for ‘radicalized’ Americans - 7/23/2015 10:09:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD

William Clinton lies about having an affair in the White House to Congress and the American people. He gets impeached.

How do you forget that Bill Clinton lied in court under oath, that is what he was impeached for.
It is called perjury, a felony.
And before you start in Democratic Senators stated he was guilty of perjury and that it was impeachable just before voting not guilty.

But the whole lawsuit was a civil action allowed in an unprecedented capitulation of a fed. court. So most who voted not to remove knew a political vote was necessary to stop a political lawsuit.

Not unprecedented. Prior to the Clinton administration this couldn't have happened. However he signed a law allowing the questions that he lied about to be asked. His justice department had been prosecuting people for doing exactly what Clinton did. Regardless of the intent of the lawsuit (and it was a lot less political than the Anita Hill garbage) it did not give him the right to commit perjury.

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RE: internment camps for ‘radicalized’ Americans - 7/23/2015 12:04:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Ret. General Wesley Clark proposes bringing back internment camps for ‘radicalized’ Americans - Remember he ran for Pres as a Dem which makes this even more confusing.

You'll note he didn't get very far in that bid for office either, which isn't confusing at all.


He was the lefttists' darling for a time, until he proved he was too much of a raving lunatic even for them

Much like Howeird Dean



BTW, re the thread topic...

Wesley Clark Didn't Mean Internment; He Meant Re-Education Camp!

...and yet they didn't even make it past the primaries, turned down by the very "left" you pretend they represent.

Pay closer attention next time.

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RE: internment camps for ‘radicalized’ Americans - 7/23/2015 4:50:46 PM   
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According to the Framer's of our current Government, George Carlin is partially right.
Anything you get from government is a privilege, and, yes, you get them when it's okay with government for you to have them.
But, according to the Framer's, all rights are inherent in individuals. Governments only have the privileges granted it by the governed.
Can I grant you the privilege to drive Ken's car? Of course not. I don't have the authority to do that, unless it's been given to me by Ken (the one who has the rights to the car). You can't give out what you don't have.
Government is created to secure inalienable rights, not grant them.

I don't think they're "inherent," otherwise we'd be able to find rights in our DNA. With all due respect to our Founders' religious beliefs, I don't believe that any "Creator" endowed us with rights either. All we really have is our intelligence and physical abilities. If it's physically possible to do it, then one might say that nature gives us the "right" to do it. On a more primitive level, "government" is nothing more than the toughest guy in the group taking charge and imposing his will on everyone else. Nobody has to "grant" anything, but the more intelligent tyrants eventually came to realize that they could get more done and gain more power by granting some indulgences now and again. There's strength in numbers, and "you get more flies with honey..."


According to how I interpret your post, you disagree with the Declaration of Independence.

What's the point of government, in your opinion?


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RE: internment camps for ‘radicalized’ Americans - 7/23/2015 7:55:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Zonie63
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
According to the Framer's of our current Government, George Carlin is partially right.
Anything you get from government is a privilege, and, yes, you get them when it's okay with government for you to have them.
But, according to the Framer's, all rights are inherent in individuals. Governments only have the privileges granted it by the governed.
Can I grant you the privilege to drive Ken's car? Of course not. I don't have the authority to do that, unless it's been given to me by Ken (the one who has the rights to the car). You can't give out what you don't have.
Government is created to secure inalienable rights, not grant them.

I don't think they're "inherent," otherwise we'd be able to find rights in our DNA. With all due respect to our Founders' religious beliefs, I don't believe that any "Creator" endowed us with rights either. All we really have is our intelligence and physical abilities. If it's physically possible to do it, then one might say that nature gives us the "right" to do it. On a more primitive level, "government" is nothing more than the toughest guy in the group taking charge and imposing his will on everyone else. Nobody has to "grant" anything, but the more intelligent tyrants eventually came to realize that they could get more done and gain more power by granting some indulgences now and again. There's strength in numbers, and "you get more flies with honey..."


According to how I interpret your post, you disagree with the Declaration of Independence.


I disagree with references to a "Creator." If there is a "Creator," then rights are merely a matter of what is physically possible.

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What's the point of government, in your opinion?


An organizing influence for the collective defense of society.

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RE: internment camps for ‘radicalized’ Americans - 7/25/2015 6:27:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
According to how I interpret your post, you disagree with the Declaration of Independence.

I disagree with references to a "Creator." If there is a "Creator," then rights are merely a matter of what is physically possible.


So, yes, my interpretation is correct.

quote:

quote:

What's the point of government, in your opinion?

An organizing influence for the collective defense of society.


How is society defended? If an individual doesn't have all rights and authorities inherent to their humanity, how do they grant authorities to something else?


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