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joether -> RE: Voting thoughts (7/23/2015 12:19:51 PM)
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
Arizona
Carol Hannah, 65, who was a registered Republican, voted in Mohave County and in Adams County, Colo., according to the Arizona Secretary of State's Office. She was convicted of voter fraud.
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/arizona/politics/2014/05/06/bullhead-city-woman-prosecuted-double-voting/8788313/
Arkansas
Three Arkansas Democrats and a police officer pleaded guilty to absentee voter fraud on Wednesday as Democrats across the country insist Voter ID laws are not necessary.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2012/09/05/arkansas-democrats-plead-guilty-to-voter-fraud/
California
California state Sen. Roderick Wright was convicted Tuesday of perjury and voter fraud for falsely claiming he lived in an apartment in the district he represents when he actually lives elsewhere.
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/01/28/socal-lawmaker-convicted-of-voter-fraud-perjury/
There are others
http://dailysignal.com/2015/07/22/from-sea-to-shining-sea-5-examples-of-voter-fraud-across-america/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=thffacebook
Scotus has as well upheld Voter ID Laws
Illegal aliens do vote.
http://www.examiner.com/article/stuffed-ballots-rigged-voting-machines-and-illegal-immigrants-voting
We appear to be starting the election season. Early in my opinion. Personally I like
a. voter ID laws
b. very stiff penalties for violation of voting rules
c. assurance that election commissioners follow the law
d. a nationwide voting registry verified with birth/naturalization documents.
This bullshit argument.....AGAIN?
Let me explain it for you:
Voter ID laws....VIOLATE.....the law. How? There is a little known law called the 4th Amendment. You, as a US Citizens are protected against unreasonable search and seizure of many things, INCLUDING, your documents (i.e. a photo ID). Unless by probable cause that you are violating the law. This means the law enforcement has to believe a law has already been broken, not about to be broken, to be allowed under the law to see your photo ID.
So what is the problem here?
What a voter ID law does, is it assumes the person is guilty of one of three things (particularly when voting):
A ) They are not whom they state they are
B ) They do not live where they state they live
C ) That both A & B are true
An the person must prove their innocence.
In the United States of America, a person is considered....INNOCENT....until proven guilty. An you know where they are proven guilty? Not on a street corner, nor a bedroom, or a voting station; but in a COURT OF LAW. Likewise a person does not start off guilty and must prove their innocence. That was a concept the Founding Fathers noted as the action of a tyrannical government.
So if you want the voter ID law to function the way it is indented, you'll have to remove the 4th amendment and a few concepts from the US Constitution.
That aside, voter fraud as a concept happens so extremely infrequently as to be irreverent to the final vote tally. In votes in which less then five-hundred people might decide something, yes ten fraudulent votes might make a difference. At a hundred million votes (i.e the 2012 Presidential Election), ten fraudulent votes is like a fart in a hurricane!
That is because the penalty for being caught with such a crime does not have much of a pay off to risk things in the first place. Robbing a bank vault with $600 million in negotiable bearer bonds (the backdrop of the movie Die Hard) could out weigh the risks of penalties if one was caught. In most states, the penalty is like 3-10 years plus $25,000-100,000 in fines per vote. Which sounds more 'worth the risk, given the pay off'?
Those in favor of voter ID laws ignore the research that has been performed on this subject. Since 2000, the total number of fraudulent votes has been less than 5,000 (this is a liberal estimate). Sounds like a big number right? That's three general elections, three mid term elections, and hundreds of state elections, plus thousands of county/town elections. That 5,000 number (and that's a liberal estimate, not the conservative one of about 3100) doesn't really effect much to be effective. One would have to place all those votes into one election in which the difference is measured in thousands or tens of thousands of vote. Like the election of someone to a state position in Utah. Meaning, its irrelevant (Utah is relevant, the chance of fraud in the ballot box is not).
Yet the people that push this bullshit and violation of current laws, prey upon 'The Low Information Voter's' fears and ignorance. They are politically and intellectually dishonest with their numbers and viewpoints. Their argument is that voter ID laws would increase integrity of the system, thereby more people voting. Well, they are the ones that created the idea that the system is lacking integrity (I 'wonder' why they did it....).
In the last election, this would be the 2014 Mid-Term Election, many more states had Voter ID laws on the books than the general election of 2012. Yet the turn out was much lower than expected. If I recall correctly (and I could be off a few percentage points), its was 36% of the total voters, voted. That number should have been somewhere in the forties. So the argument that voter ID laws bring out more voters, apparently does not seem to be an accurate prediction either.
To state it plainly and clearly: Voter ID laws are creations trying to tackle a problem that does not really exist. Its a tool by the GOP/TP to scary US Citizens into doing something that undermines things in the long run, while giving nothing useful or positive back to the voting system. Sooner or later this will land in the US Supreme Court's hands. Hopefully the Justices vote on Constitutional grounds not political grounds (i.e. Heller vs DC's final decision).
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