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bounty44 -> RE: Voting thoughts (7/23/2015 3:59:11 PM)
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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
There are more instances of people being struck by lightning than there are cases of voter fraud.
The math and facts are not within a parsec of your thinking.
So you count all of Chicago as one case.
Actually cloudboy is correct here, BamaD. When the voting ID laws first came into existence, many news organizations used ACTUAL journalists to study and report their findings. You will not see this information anywhere on conservative news media/outlets. The reason is, its the conservative ideology pushing the voter ID laws in the first place. They have not been known for their honestly in their intentions nor integrity.
There is the 'world' that voter ID folks want us to believe. And there is reality. Go to your local library or study online. The facts shows a very different view. Here is one such database for events from 2000 to 2012. From that site and others that have performed the research, keep finding the same results: voter ID fraud does take place, but is totally ineffective at effecting the outcome of an election.
you know comrade penguin---ive been debating here whether or not to treat you neutrally, as I would a complete stranger, or to treat you in the same way you interact with those who you don't understand, or who disagree with you. ive just done a little perusing of subsequent posts and well, that made up my mind for me...
so here you go partisan hack dumbass:
the methodology of your link wouldn't pass muster for a college senior project (so it makes sense then you are referencing it).
to my point:
though they use the word "exhaustive" in the title, it is in no way exhaustive, which implies totally complete, comprehensive, nothing missing/lacking. of their own admission:
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Is this database complete?
No. Despite the huge News21 public-records request effort, the team received no useful responses from several states — for instance, the lone cases in the database from Massachusetts, Oklahoma, South Carolina and South Dakota all came from the RNLA survey. Even in states where some local jurisdictions responded, others didn’t. In addition, it is possible that some jurisdictions which did respond failed to include some cases. Another problem is that some responses News21 received were missing important details about each case — from whether the person was convicted or charged to the circumstances of the alleged fraud to the names of those involved.
that aside for a moment---since whole swathes of places did not respond to their requests, its not as bad as a convenience sample, but its far from a random sample, and they have absolutely no way of knowing (at least with the information they provided) how much data is missing. their results do indeed for a database, but an incomplete one.
but most importantly (try to follow comrade bird brain):
the "voter ID fraud" in the "study" you linked to, relative to ID's, only cites voter impersonation. that is, people who are stealing other people's identities. it doesn't address people who aren't allowed to vote but who do so anyways. are you that *%&# thick?
it doesn't even address the issue, which is, people voting who are not allowed to vote. quote:
Sorry, I keep thinking [you] are more intelligent and educated than [you] actually are.....my mistake!
so to the point brainiac:
"jaw dropping study claims large numbers non-citizens vote"
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Our data comes from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study (CCES). Its large number of observations (32,800 in 2008 and 55,400 in 2010) provide sufficient samples of the non-immigrant sub-population, with 339 non-citizen respondents in 2008 and 489 in 2010. For the 2008 CCES, we also attempted to match respondents to voter files so that we could verify whether they actually voted.
How many non-citizens participate in U.S. elections?
More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. Furthermore, some of these non-citizens voted. Our best guess, based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote, is that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010.
If they mean 6.4 percent of 11 million illegal immigrants… we’re talking about roughly 700,000 votes being cast by non-citizens in 2008. Stunning. If true, it refutes my earlier contention that proven cases of voter fraud would only swing elections in races that come down to a few hundred votes.
But this section is fascinating:
…Nearly three quarters of the non-citizens who indicated they were asked to provide photo identification at the polls claimed to have subsequently voted.
[so, identifications that were either fake, or otherwise did not rely on citizenship to procure]
http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/391134/jaw-dropping-study-claims-large-numbers-non-citizens-vote-us-jim-geraghty
http://projects.iq.harvard.edu/cces/home
so the idea behind a national voting identification would be its proof of citizenship---get it Einstein?
and oh, good job on the incredibly twisted and tortured logic concerning the 4th amendment and voter identification.
you might find this helpful: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_ID_laws_in_the_United_States
notice there is no:
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Voter ID laws....VIOLATE.....the law.
youre an irrational nutjob with a mouth too big & too quick for your brain and who should stick to your blog with your adoring sycophants. (notice the correct word choice of "who" there? you should try it sometime, you might like it)
now, by contrast, maybe you or your fellow moonbats can actually show how requiring a voter ID actually suppresses votes??
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