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RE: Ted Cruz Calls Gay Marriage Ruling The 'Very Defini... - 7/27/2015 10:05:44 AM   
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Marriage has been redefined as late as 1967
when interracial marriage was "allowed"



I've never understood why life has to be an either/or.

Why can't things exist side by side.

Such as religion and science, or heterosexuality and homosexuality? With all being deemed to be of more or less equal merit. Just human beings living their lives.


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RE: Ted Cruz Calls Gay Marriage Ruling The 'Very Defini... - 7/27/2015 10:24:29 AM   
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The Huffpo article is propaganda and the thread headline is a lie. From your own source, what Cruz said was this -

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"If any of us believes in democracy, in the constitutional rule of law, then whether we agree or disagree with a policy ... we should be horrified at the notion that five unelected judges can seize authority from the American people," he said.

"We did not establish philosopher kings in this country," Cruz added, before calling for term limits on Supreme Court justices.


And reasonable people can agree on that principle.


By God, Sanity has got it right, the article was propoganda and the headline was a lie. Cruz never uttered the words attributed to him.

Except here, 11 minutes into the video. http://www.cruz.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=2401

Hope this helps bruv, keep up the good work (Okay, I didnt mean the last bit)

Cruz and Trump......... the dream ticket.

Edits to add link.


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RE: Ted Cruz Calls Gay Marriage Ruling The 'Very Defini... - 7/27/2015 10:28:32 AM   
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The Huffpo article is propaganda and the thread headline is a lie. From your own source, what Cruz said was this -

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"If any of us believes in democracy, in the constitutional rule of law, then whether we agree or disagree with a policy ... we should be horrified at the notion that five unelected judges can seize authority from the American people," he said.

"We did not establish philosopher kings in this country," Cruz added, before calling for term limits on Supreme Court justices.


And reasonable people can agree on that principle.


By God, Sanity has got it right, the article was propoganda and the headline was a lie. Cruz never uttered the words attributed to him.

Except here, 11 minutes into the video. http://www.cruz.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=2401

Hope this helps bruv, keep up the good work (Okay, I didnt mean the last bit)

Cruz and Trump......... the dream ticket.

Edits to add link.



Eleven minutes in, Cruz says exactly what I quoted above. What else do you have...

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RE: Ted Cruz Calls Gay Marriage Ruling The 'Very Defini... - 7/27/2015 10:32:51 AM   
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The fact you were too lazy to check is down to you and you alone..... Go figure.

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RE: Ted Cruz Calls Gay Marriage Ruling The 'Very Defini... - 7/27/2015 10:39:07 AM   
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You said the article as propoganda and the thread title a lie. You were wrong on both counts.

The fact you were too lazy to check is down to you and you alone..... Go figure.


Cruz never said the words alleged in the thread headline, your own link proves that. It also shows that the HuffPo article is (at best) grossly misleading

IE, propaganda

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RE: Ted Cruz Calls Gay Marriage Ruling The 'Very Defini... - 7/27/2015 10:49:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Marriage has been redefined as late as 1967
when interracial marriage was "allowed"



I've never understood why life has to be an either/or.

Why can't things exist side by side.

Such as religion and science, or heterosexuality and homosexuality? With all being deemed to be of more or less equal merit. Just human beings living their lives.



actually you should say "such as religion and science, religion and homosexuality, religion and other religions..." I guess you have your answer

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RE: Ted Cruz Calls Gay Marriage Ruling The 'Very Defini... - 7/27/2015 11:01:43 AM   
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yes but those couples are probably not that religious and don't care about this, otherwise they would not even marry


Not true, but that's not the point anyway.

I guess it depends on how you define very religious
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I do not agree with that, simply in the past the concept of family and sexual orientation was different it's just times change and secular laws have to evolve, opposer were doing that because of their religious background but as citizens of a democracy they have a right to be involved in the discussion even if their motivations are wrong


Not sure what this means. Can you clarify?



I meant that ideas change in time, not may years ago family in the usa was just between a man and a woman, in my country it still is, omosexuality was considered a medical condition to cure, now we know better and ideas are different, there are people that will oppose changes and as citizens they have a right to lobby for those ideas but at some point when the flow goes in another direction they have tu suck it up and society not care about them anymore.

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RE: Ted Cruz Calls Gay Marriage Ruling The 'Very Defini... - 7/27/2015 11:44:29 AM   
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"We did not establish philosopher kings in this country. We did not establish a rule by unelected elites to seize decision-making authority from the American people. Indeed, that is the very definition of tyranny. Hence this hearing-to discuss what options the American people have to reign in judicial tyranny."


Sanity, you're aware PoliteSub's link comes with a full transcript?

Liberal propoganda can't get any better than just letting people like Cruz keep talking. Until Trump speaks again, anyway.

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RE: Ted Cruz Calls Gay Marriage Ruling The 'Very Defini... - 7/27/2015 11:52:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: eulero83


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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Marriage has been redefined as late as 1967
when interracial marriage was "allowed"



I've never understood why life has to be an either/or.

Why can't things exist side by side.

Such as religion and science, or heterosexuality and homosexuality? With all being deemed to be of more or less equal merit. Just human beings living their lives.



actually you should say "such as religion and science, religion and homosexuality, religion and other religions..." I guess you have your answer



Not following you. What are you saying?


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RE: Ted Cruz Calls Gay Marriage Ruling The 'Very Defini... - 7/27/2015 11:56:05 AM   
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"We did not establish philosopher kings in this country. We did not establish a rule by unelected elites to seize decision-making authority from the American people. Indeed, that is the very definition of tyranny. Hence this hearing-to discuss what options the American people have to reign in judicial tyranny."


Sanity, you're aware PoliteSub's link comes with a full transcript?

Liberal propoganda can't get any better than just letting people like Cruz keep talking. Until Trump speaks again, anyway.


The propagandists allege that Cruz said that gay marriage "is the very definition of tyranny" and that is a blatant lie, even by what you quoted above.

Cruz said nothing about gay marriage in that quote. He is referring to serious flaws in the judicial process, which even the left decry as it suits them (as in the Citizens United case, etc)

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RE: Ted Cruz Calls Gay Marriage Ruling The 'Very Defini... - 7/27/2015 12:30:49 PM   
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I guess it depends on how you define very religious


Enough interfaith couples were religious enough to try and maintain their faith despite marrying outside of their religion, to the point that, at least in the US, religious laws have been expanded to accommodate them.

Catholics are no longer strictly required to marry other Catholics, or even marry at a church, in order to receive sacrament. This was unheard of not too long ago. (Special dispensations are required, but are getting more common.) In fact, one organization estimates that 40% of Catholics are part of interfaith marriages.

Some Jewish sects do not require you to marry within the faith, and don't require that the children be raised in the Jewish tradition.

Even Muslim men are not required to marry Muslim women, as long as the woman is Christian or Jewish. Though Muslim women are prohibited from marrying outside of their faith.

http://www.foryourmarriage.org/catholic-marriage/church-teachings/interfaith-marriages/

These are all becoming increasingly common, an indicator of people's determination to marry and still pursue their faith. Working within the churches to make changes. And it is working in other areas, as evidenced by the many churches and denominations that are accepting of homosexuals.

Saw this yesterday.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/georgia-pastor-gay-equality_55b50b09e4b0074ba5a4d6e2?

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I meant that ideas change in time, not may years ago family in the usa was just between a man and a woman, in my country it still is, omosexuality was considered a medical condition to cure, now we know better and ideas are different, there are people that will oppose changes and as citizens they have a right to lobby for those ideas but at some point when the flow goes in another direction they have tu suck it up and society not care about them anymore.


I don't agree with the wording in its entirety, but I agree with the general sentiment.


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RE: Ted Cruz Calls Gay Marriage Ruling The 'Very Defini... - 7/27/2015 2:20:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent


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ORIGINAL: eulero83


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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Marriage has been redefined as late as 1967
when interracial marriage was "allowed"



I've never understood why life has to be an either/or.

Why can't things exist side by side.

Such as religion and science, or heterosexuality and homosexuality? With all being deemed to be of more or less equal merit. Just human beings living their lives.



actually you should say "such as religion and science, religion and homosexuality, religion and other religions..." I guess you have your answer



Not following you. What are you saying?



that you used a false equivalence when you compared science and religion as opposed they don't even answer the same questions, it's just that some religious people (actually just a vocal minority in few countries in the world) can't accept science as it crushes with their religion, and also homosexuality is not that much opposed by heterosexual in general otherwise there would be no marriage equality in your cuntry and the usa, but mostly by persons driven by religious believes, I also added that many religious persons can't even accept different believes, so I guess the problem is just the religious persons.

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RE: Ted Cruz Calls Gay Marriage Ruling The 'Very Defini... - 7/27/2015 3:07:10 PM   
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so I guess the problem is just the religious persons.



I thought that was the point you were making, and to answer your previous post: no, no this isn't my answer.

And, science and religion do attempt to answer the same philosophical question to an extent: "how should I live my life?". Only one attempts to verify propositions.

There is room for both science and religion in this world. In some aspects religion is preferable, and certainly some science type folks can be as militant as the next man.




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RE: Ted Cruz Calls Gay Marriage Ruling The 'Very Defini... - 7/27/2015 3:33:58 PM   
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"We did not establish philosopher kings in this country. We did not establish a rule by unelected elites to seize decision-making authority from the American people. Indeed, that is the very definition of tyranny. Hence this hearing-to discuss what options the American people have to reign in judicial tyranny."


Sanity, you're aware PoliteSub's link comes with a full transcript?

Liberal propoganda can't get any better than just letting people like Cruz keep talking. Until Trump speaks again, anyway.


Thank you.

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RE: Ted Cruz Calls Gay Marriage Ruling The 'Very Defini... - 7/27/2015 3:50:46 PM   
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I watched the entire 14-minute Cruz video (penance for my sins), and he was clearly presenting the marriage equality ruling as an example of the "judicial activism" that constitutes "the very definition of tyranny." The ruling also appears to be what spurred him to hold the hearing.

http://www.advocate.com/politics/2015/07/25/watch-ted-cruz-calls-congressional-hearing-shame-supreme-court-activism

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RE: Ted Cruz Calls Gay Marriage Ruling The 'Very Defini... - 7/27/2015 4:13:26 PM   
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RE: Ted Cruz Calls Gay Marriage Ruling The 'Very Defini... - 7/27/2015 4:44:56 PM   
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Indeed DC, it isnt difficult to follow the agenda set by Cruz.


Indeed, as I pointed out above, the left also has issues with the philosopher kings in the Supreme Court. That leftists try to deny that fact as political winds shift only adds to the irony

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RE: Ted Cruz Calls Gay Marriage Ruling The 'Very Defini... - 7/27/2015 4:59:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I believe Congress would be overstepping their Constitutional authority by deciding how the Supreme Court handles cases.

If they're unhappy with a SCOTUS decision, they can try to change relevant legislation to fix the situation. If course, new legislation cannot go against the Constitution itself

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RE: Ted Cruz Calls Gay Marriage Ruling The 'Very Defini... - 7/27/2015 4:59:10 PM   
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I watched the entire 14-minute Cruz video (penance for my sins), and he was clearly presenting the marriage equality ruling as an example of the "judicial activism" that constitutes "the very definition of tyranny." The ruling also appears to be what spurred him to hold the hearing.

http://www.advocate.com/politics/2015/07/25/watch-ted-cruz-calls-congressional-hearing-shame-supreme-court-activism


Rephrase the lie all you want to DC but you will never correct the lie that is Lucys' thread headline. Cruze did not say those words, what he was referring to with the words that are actually his words is the judicial process itself. The decision is an example of the problem, just as the left claims that Citizens United is an example of the same problem

Again, the same process that gives the left fits for exactly the same reasons that Senator Cruz describes





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RE: Ted Cruz Calls Gay Marriage Ruling The 'Very Defini... - 7/27/2015 5:00:10 PM   
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I believe Congress would be overstepping their Constitutional authority by deciding how the Supreme Court handles cases.

If they're unhappy with a SCOTUS decision, they can try to change relevant legislation to fix the situation. If course, new legislation cannot go against the Constitution itself


One solution Cruz mentioned is term limits for the Supremes



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