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RE: Ted Cruz Calls Gay Marriage Ruling The 'Very Defini... - 7/27/2015 10:36:51 PM   
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so I guess the problem is just the religious persons.



I thought that was the point you were making, and to answer your previous post: no, no this isn't my answer.

And, science and religion do attempt to answer the same philosophical question to an extent: "how should I live my life?". Only one attempts to verify propositions.

There is room for both science and religion in this world. In some aspects religion is preferable, and certainly some science type folks can be as militant as the next man.



science just answer the question "how does the world works?" religion should answer the questions "what's the meaning of life? What's next?" and some religions tell you how to live your life, and by the way that's when they become very annoying.
I actually never considered religion and science in contrast because in my culture there's not that kind of interference of religion in science, it is only in the english speaking part of the world.

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RE: Ted Cruz Calls Gay Marriage Ruling The 'Very Defini... - 7/28/2015 2:33:59 AM   
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I believe Congress would be overstepping their Constitutional authority by deciding how the Supreme Court handles cases.

If they're unhappy with a SCOTUS decision, they can try to change relevant legislation to fix the situation. If course, new legislation cannot go against the Constitution itself


One solution Cruz mentioned is term limits for the Supremes




That goes against the Constitution though. Lifetime appointments guarantee continuity of the law, even as political and social climates change around them.

It would create far too much instability and uncertainty if decisions like gay marriage, Citizens United, Hobby Lobby, etc were retried continuously as new courts are seated. We already have this bipolar disorder in our Executive & Legislative branches of government.

Anyway, changing how SCOTUS Justices serve is a matter for Constitutional Amendment, a process we really haven't seen successful in over 40 years. Our last Amendment waited over 200 years before being ratified.

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RE: Ted Cruz Calls Gay Marriage Ruling The 'Very Defini... - 7/28/2015 9:19:44 AM   
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I believe Congress would be overstepping their Constitutional authority by deciding how the Supreme Court handles cases.

If they're unhappy with a SCOTUS decision, they can try to change relevant legislation to fix the situation. If course, new legislation cannot go against the Constitution itself


One solution Cruz mentioned is term limits for the Supremes




That goes against the Constitution though. Lifetime appointments guarantee continuity of the law, even as political and social climates change around them.

It would create far too much instability and uncertainty if decisions like gay marriage, Citizens United, Hobby Lobby, etc were retried continuously as new courts are seated. We already have this bipolar disorder in our Executive & Legislative branches of government.

Anyway, changing how SCOTUS Justices serve is a matter for Constitutional Amendment, a process we really haven't seen successful in over 40 years. Our last Amendment waited over 200 years before being ratified.



Another solution I have seen proposed is a term for each justice of 18 years, with one justice retiring every two years.

It has been pointed out that when the "lifetime" appointment was first instituted, normal life spans were around 50 years (or less). With today's average life spans approaching 80 years (and many people living into their 90's), some justices have and will be sitting on the bench for 40-50 years.

18-year terms would also mean each 4-year presidential term would include the opportunity to appoint two new justices, instead of the current situation where there can (and have been) several successive presidential terms with no appointments, and then a term or two with 3 or 4 appointments due to death/retirement.

But, as already pointed out, all of this would have to be accomplished through Constitutional amendment which is highly unlikely in the current political environment.

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RE: Ted Cruz Calls Gay Marriage Ruling The 'Very Defini... - 7/28/2015 4:31:51 PM   
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I believe Congress would be overstepping their Constitutional authority by deciding how the Supreme Court handles cases.

If they're unhappy with a SCOTUS decision, they can try to change relevant legislation to fix the situation. If course, new legislation cannot go against the Constitution itself


One solution Cruz mentioned is term limits for the Supremes




WTF has Motown got to do with anything ?

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RE: Ted Cruz Calls Gay Marriage Ruling The 'Very Defini... - 7/28/2015 5:10:10 PM   
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I always preferred the supremes to the 3 degrees!!!


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RE: Ted Cruz Calls Gay Marriage Ruling The 'Very Defini... - 7/28/2015 5:18:40 PM   
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You can give me the third degree anytime Lucy........

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RE: Ted Cruz Calls Gay Marriage Ruling The 'Very Defini... - 7/28/2015 5:22:33 PM   
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you know you are gonna regret that someday dontcha hon:)
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RE: Ted Cruz Calls Gay Marriage Ruling The 'Very Defini... - 7/28/2015 6:34:35 PM   
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Another solution I have seen proposed is a term for each justice of 18 years, with one justice retiring every two years.

It has been pointed out that when the "lifetime" appointment was first instituted, normal life spans were around 50 years (or less). With today's average life spans approaching 80 years (and many people living into their 90's), some justices have and will be sitting on the bench for 40-50 years.

18-year terms would also mean each 4-year presidential term would include the opportunity to appoint two new justices, instead of the current situation where there can (and have been) several successive presidential terms with no appointments, and then a term or two with 3 or 4 appointments due to death/retirement.

But, as already pointed out, all of this would have to be accomplished through Constitutional amendment which is highly unlikely in the current political environment.



Valid point. We say the Constitution is a living document, able to preserve basic rights while still reflecting changing times. It is not entirely unreasonable to take medical progress into account, and adjust terms accordingly.

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RE: Ted Cruz Calls Gay Marriage Ruling The 'Very Defini... - 7/28/2015 6:50:28 PM   
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Our first Justices didn't even have law degrees, so things have already changed a lot.

Justices are usually in their 50s when appointed, with already fairly substantial careers behind them and proven track records. I feel like any change to their terms would be detrimental to the continuity of law. In the current political climate, this would mean even less actually being accomplished as fights that should be considered definitively resolved continue indefinitely.

So I could get married tomorrow, then have it nullified in two years, then married again and nullified... Nobody can live like that. Or should have to.

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RE: Ted Cruz Calls Gay Marriage Ruling The 'Very Defini... - 7/28/2015 8:18:09 PM   
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I understand the need for continuity, I just question the idea of a bench full of Strom Thurmonds interpreting the laws of the land. At 70, 80, etc mental faculties can be far different than what they were at 50.

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RE: Ted Cruz Calls Gay Marriage Ruling The 'Very Defini... - 7/29/2015 7:01:19 AM   
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Including far better

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