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RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana - 7/24/2015 12:30:04 PM   
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That his wife had to remove many firearms from him.

So you admit that the guns he obtained legally were taken from him.


The wife took the guns away in 2008. Is the current year 2008? Or 2015?

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RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana - 7/24/2015 12:32:10 PM   
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Unabomber, ELF need I go on? Or since they are leftists do they get a pass?


The unabomber was a liberal or moderate?

Go ahead and make your argument. Will prove amusing to destroy it.

Since if any of the four political thought processes are to state the unabomber's own views the best, it would be libertarian.

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RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana - 7/24/2015 12:38:03 PM   
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2. That he had a firearm during the shooting (yeah, logic sucks for you here).

Before your post I corrected mine with the word legally. He didn't get the gun legally. Thus my logic works just fine.


Do you have a source for this information?

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And BTW his legal guns had been taken away from him, didn't you even read your own link.


I did know that. Yet, I also know in many anti-gun control states that just being on record with a possible mental/emotional disorder is not enough to prohibit a firearm sale. Which is why a background check makes logical sense. An require it for all firearm sales, not just retail establishments. That includes the guy selling from his private collection. That he has to be able to show concrete proof he used state/federal rules to determine the individual was allowed a firearm.

Should healthcare professions (i.e. medical doctors, therapists, psychiatrists) be allowed to submit a form that states their client should not be allowed to obtain a firearm by legal means due to a condition? They would not need to explain the exact details of the person's state or 'what was stated in therapy', but allowed to give professional judgement that based on observations the person might be endangered with such arms?



Actually, again if your had paid attention to your own link, your would know that he had been committed by a judge which would disqualify him, you would also know that he had a felony conviction for arson. Read your own stuff before making statements that make you look stupid.

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RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana - 7/24/2015 12:44:09 PM   
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Unabomber, ELF need I go on? Or since they are leftists do they get a pass?


The unabomber was a liberal or moderate?

Go ahead and make your argument. Will prove amusing to destroy it.

Since if any of the four political thought processes are to state the unabomber's own views the best, it would be libertarian.

He was a radical green, thanks for answering my question you will make up excuses for leftist.

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RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana - 7/24/2015 1:09:03 PM   
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Interesting.... from the description in the video of the police department, it makes me think of a contract killing gone bad.

What did it show? I haven't seen the video.
I was thinking it might be a Holmes copycat.



Movie theater, gunman, my initial impression was going back to Lafayette in the 70s... two people shot in the back of the head in the movie theater. The guy used a 22 short pistol and did the shooting during a loud section of the movie. It was considered a criminal assassination by the local cops.

Further evidence in the media shows it was nut-job and not a hit gone bad.

My original thought was about these guys:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Mafia



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RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana - 7/24/2015 1:18:34 PM   
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He has a profile created by the website Tea Party Nation..."

hey comrade bird brain, I know English language and critical thinking aren't your strong suits but, try this instead "he created a profile on tea party nation's website" as opposed to "he has a profile created by the website tea party nation." I create a profile on facebook, or collarspace, etc. they don't do it for me like I am somehow a representative of their organization and the profile's a part of my company bona fide.


And the many hundred posts the guy made on said Tea Party Nation website forum? You would have me believe those are not true for....what reason again?

The first moment you make a threat against someone else in America, facebook will notify the authorities. Which means within 24-72 hours, you'll have a 'chat' from a nice Police Officer, a State Trooper, an FBI Agent, or a Secret Service Agent. After you get done with that, try making a second threat and see what happens.

Unlike Facebook, websites like the Tea Party Nation (or Stormfront) will overlook the threat. Because its the culture on both of those websites. Its 'OK' to make threats of violence and destruction. Only when the moderators think the person is just about to take action, do they notify the authorizes. Which is why the FBI probably monitors both sites on a routine basis.

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see the difference when you use words to convey rightly to convey reality as opposed to using words wrongly? my rendering is the truth; your rendering is misleading--either purposefully so, or because you think/write poorly. either way it isn't good.


Damn, you found my plans for world domination. I'll have to evacuate to my moon base and use my "laser" on you....

Seriously...

Your argument does not make rational sense here. To use a mathematical metaphor in Algebra, its like saying X=1 when X=3. 'X' would have to either equal '1' or '3' but not both.

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"Tea Party Leader Says He Doesn't Know Louisiana Movie Theater Shooter"


Presidents Bush and Clinton didn't know Timothy McVeigh nor Terry Nicholas, whom were both in the military for the Commanders in Chief. What does the Tea Party Leader's knowledge of one particular person they never met have to do with anything?

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It appears the 59-year old man believed to have shot up a Louisiana movie theater on Thursday night once created a profile on a national tea party community website, but the leader of that organization tells The Daily Caller he doesn’t know John Russell Houser.

I mean we’ve got 55,000 people who are on the website, who have signed up as members,” Judson Phillips, the founder of Tea Party Nation, said in a phone interview with TheDC on Friday morning.

“As far as I know, he’s never contributed to any discussions or anything on the site,” Phillips said of Houser. “Wouldn’t know the guy if I met him.”…
Phillips said he doesn’t believe Houser was active with the organization.

“I had somebody check...Whoever he is, this guy has never done anything, never contributed anything, never said anything. And there’s not even a photo on the profile.”

Phillips said he is prepared for the tea party to take heat.

“I’m sure there will a little bit of character assassination coming from the left,” Phillips said. “Because why should you debate issues like Iran, or the Planned Parenthood scandal, when you can sit there and engage in character assassination because some lunatic signed up for our political website?”

“The thing about the tea party, being the decentralized group that it is, anybody can sign up,” Phillips said. “I mean anybody can come in and say, ‘I’m part of the tea party.'”


http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/24/tea-party-leader-says-he-doesnt-know-louisiana-movie-theater-shooter/


The sort of people that sign up for that website are not liberals or moderates. They are people that dislike the current President, do not understand the ACA, against the Iran Treaty (to which they haven't read it). They listen to FOX 'news' and accept the conspiracies as reality. Often belligerent, impulsive, with anger management issues. They ignore the 1st half the 2nd amendment, and reinterpret the second half so 'any thug could have a gun and held to no responsibility'.

The caliber of individuals on that site, are not educated, mature adults. Some of them are friendly and many are not. They had Muslims because all Muslims are part of the ISIS, but try to show they are not limked to the KKK (the American version of the ISIS).

That many people could find the posts on that site the same as the FBI should tell you this guy is FULL OF SHIT! The site took down the posts per order of the courts for investigation. His rantings are like yours....

Yes, I agree with the guy that we should discuss subject matter like Iran and Planned Parenthood. But in a sane, reasonable, and factual manner. How many times have I had to school all of you on the Affordable Care Act, because you didn't read it? Its been law for five years, what is the excuse your using these days? Cus I've heard many so far....

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as far his "hundreds of posts" on politicalforum.com---all you've done there is parrot what the cnn link/story says. how about finding his actual posts and seeing if they are consistent with tea party positions?


No, I did not parrot, I.....QUOTED....CNN. There is a big difference. That you can not understand it, is your problem!

I did see the examples of the posts. They were....like your rantings....

...Just worst....

...of a dangerous intention and notion....

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as for the tea party being "anti government"---sorry scrambled brains, tea party people are not anti-government; they are for limited & constitutional government and fiscal responsibility (oh the horrors).


If the Tea Party is not anti-government, explain the following:

Senator Ted Cruz, a ...TEA PARTY FAVORITE...whom tried to destroy the whole of the US Government to through a final shutdown of operations just a few years ago? That he and his 'friends' tried to hold the nation over a barrel demanding the removal of an existing law on the books. An when I asked the conservatives and libertarians, if things were reverse, that a Democrat was doing what Mr. Cruz was at the time, and said, they wanted to remove a law? What happened? Since the law removal was the 2nd amendment. Not a single person whom is conservative or libertarian on this form,....agreed...to the terms. Which would explain why the Democrats did not agree to....TEA PARTY FAVORITE....Sen. Ted Cruz.

That's US History. So your 'understanding' is not within the boundaries of reality it seems.

Need more?

How about chopping the federal budget in half. What do you think the effect would be on the nation?

According to 'Tea Party' morons, 'only good things'. Yet, they are at heavy odds with financial and economic folks not just across the nation but the world itself!

They hate the EPA. The same organization that has kept this nation clean. Go check out Russia and China's enviroment. If you need help, google 'red mud' and 'China'.

They dislike the US Department of Education. Since that organization is not pro-lunatic-christian. That it tries to help people get an education and thus, be more informed and less manipulated by the Tea Party 'heroes'.

I could go on and on, and there are many on this forum that could add additional material. Sufficient it to state, the Tea Party is anti-government, but pro-Their-Idea-of-the-US-Constitution's-rules-and-meanings.

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am not sure how you can look yourself in the mirror with a clear conscience given the amount of slander you throw about. when it comes to intellectual honesty and integrity, youre an embarrassment.


Oh, and you....never....thrown an insult my way, right? How about BamaD? Kirata? Aylee? DS? Sanity? RealOne? You would have me believe....NONE...of them have done the same either?

YOUR FULL OF SHIT. I can prove it. The others on this forum can prove it. And the MODERATORS can prove it.

I am worlds more intellectual honest and hold far many more levels of integrity than you do. When I have crossed the line, I would state so, and apologize. Both on the forum itself for everyone to see, and as a private PM to the person. Question is, would they state so?

BTW, I look wonderful in the mirror. I sleep very well at night. I have enough metaphorical cords of lumber to prove that....

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and the fun of it is for me---I have no interest whatsoever in carrying on a conversation with you and trying to read your incoherent, irrational and off the wall replies.


Then put me on ignorant. Deny yourself freedom of thought and consideration. You should keep yourself from having your views and thoughts challenged by myself. Since you should try to remain ignorant, clueless, and a moron for the whole of your life. It helps the conservative political machine if your dumb, clueless, ignorant, and easily made fearful. Since controlling well-informed, mature, intelligent people is really tough (and a lot of effort). Might explain why the Nazis's message appealed to people like you rather than to myself.

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RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana - 7/24/2015 1:23:11 PM   
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Unabomber, ELF need I go on? Or since they are leftists do they get a pass?


The unabomber was a liberal or moderate?

Go ahead and make your argument. Will prove amusing to destroy it.

Since if any of the four political thought processes are to state the unabomber's own views the best, it would be libertarian.

He was a radical green, thanks for answering my question you will make up excuses for leftist.


That would be a libertarian....

How to tell the difference between a liberal and libertarian:

A liberal, like a conservative or moderate would like freedoms, but understands there has to be a limit for society to operate without tearing itself apart. A libertarian does not hold any such conscious thought process to acknowledge that reasoning.

The unabomber would be at the extreme end a libertarian. The unabomber was...ALSO...a few clowns short of a full circus.

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RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana - 7/24/2015 1:30:01 PM   
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2. That he had a firearm during the shooting (yeah, logic sucks for you here).

Before your post I corrected mine with the word legally. He didn't get the gun legally. Thus my logic works just fine.


Do you have a source for this information?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
And BTW his legal guns had been taken away from him, didn't you even read your own link.


I did know that. Yet, I also know in many anti-gun control states that just being on record with a possible mental/emotional disorder is not enough to prohibit a firearm sale. Which is why a background check makes logical sense. An require it for all firearm sales, not just retail establishments. That includes the guy selling from his private collection. That he has to be able to show concrete proof he used state/federal rules to determine the individual was allowed a firearm.

Should healthcare professions (i.e. medical doctors, therapists, psychiatrists) be allowed to submit a form that states their client should not be allowed to obtain a firearm by legal means due to a condition? They would not need to explain the exact details of the person's state or 'what was stated in therapy', but allowed to give professional judgement that based on observations the person might be endangered with such arms?



Actually, again if your had paid attention to your own link, your would know that he had been committed by a judge which would disqualify him, you would also know that he had a felony conviction for arson. Read your own stuff before making statements that make you look stupid.


How did he get the gun?

Since in order to shoot people, you need to have a gun. That's the logical process.

Since in many anti-gun control states, people will sell firearms to someone they think are up to no good. That's capitalism!

How did he get the gun? Because firearms are pathetically easy to obtain in this nation. You know how much it costs to get a firearm in Australia? On the black market? Higher than $36,000 (USD). After paying that much money, are you going to 'fuck around' with it? Australia has not had any mass shootings in 19 years since making them restrictive.

So I ask the question again, given our firearm culture: Do you enjoy attending funerals?


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RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana - 7/24/2015 1:48:11 PM   
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How did he get the gun?



Illegally!

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RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana - 7/24/2015 1:52:10 PM   
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How did he get the gun?



Illegally!

Even Joe knows that but that answer doesn't advance his agenda.

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RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana - 7/24/2015 1:54:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: joether


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

2. That he had a firearm during the shooting (yeah, logic sucks for you here).

Before your post I corrected mine with the word legally. He didn't get the gun legally. Thus my logic works just fine.


Do you have a source for this information?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
And BTW his legal guns had been taken away from him, didn't you even read your own link.


I did know that. Yet, I also know in many anti-gun control states that just being on record with a possible mental/emotional disorder is not enough to prohibit a firearm sale. Which is why a background check makes logical sense. An require it for all firearm sales, not just retail establishments. That includes the guy selling from his private collection. That he has to be able to show concrete proof he used state/federal rules to determine the individual was allowed a firearm.

Should healthcare professions (i.e. medical doctors, therapists, psychiatrists) be allowed to submit a form that states their client should not be allowed to obtain a firearm by legal means due to a condition? They would not need to explain the exact details of the person's state or 'what was stated in therapy', but allowed to give professional judgement that based on observations the person might be endangered with such arms?



Actually, again if your had paid attention to your own link, your would know that he had been committed by a judge which would disqualify him, you would also know that he had a felony conviction for arson. Read your own stuff before making statements that make you look stupid.


How did he get the gun?

Since in order to shoot people, you need to have a gun. That's the logical process.

Since in many anti-gun control states, people will sell firearms to someone they think are up to no good. That's capitalism!

How did he get the gun? Because firearms are pathetically easy to obtain in this nation. You know how much it costs to get a firearm in Australia? On the black market? Higher than $36,000 (USD). After paying that much money, are you going to 'fuck around' with it? Australia has not had any mass shootings in 19 years since making them restrictive.

So I ask the question again, given our firearm culture: Do you enjoy attending funerals?



As pointed out he got it illegally. Here is how capitalism works, you don't make one sale that will cost you your business. Gun dealers selling to people who are disqualified is just one more gun-aphob fantasy.

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RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana - 7/24/2015 2:00:09 PM   
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Even Joe knows that but that answer doesn't advance his agenda.


And no amount of gun control is going to stop a determined criminal mind..... who has been diagnosed with "manic depressive with Bi polar disorder" and who is willing to die in the process....from doing others harm.


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RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana - 7/24/2015 2:06:47 PM   
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Even Joe knows that but that answer doesn't advance his agenda.


And no amount of gun control is going to stop a determined criminal mind..... who has been diagnosed with "manic depressive with Bi polar disorder" and who is willing to die in the process....from doing others harm.


Last night a family of five was stabbed to death, which supports your statement.
I, and I suspect you find this to be as horrible if not more so because more people died.
I wonder if Joe will agree.

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RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana - 7/24/2015 2:41:10 PM   
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Here is how capitalism works, you don't make one sale that will cost you your business. Gun dealers selling to people who are disqualified is just one more gun-aphob fantasy.


Much like voter id is a constitutional aphob fantasy of the right.

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RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana - 7/24/2015 3:16:47 PM   
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Joether........................where on earth did you get that figure of $36,000 to buy a firearm in Australia ? I could go out today and buy enough weaponry to outfit a rifle squad with that amount of money...................and still have enough left over to feed them all for a week too. I think somebody slipped in at least an extra zero there because that figure is more than a little rubbery.

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RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana - 7/24/2015 3:29:02 PM   
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Australia has not had any mass shootings in 19 years since making them restrictive.

The current paper examines the incidence of mass shootings in Australia and New Zealand (a country that is socioeconomically similar to Australia, but with a different approach to firearms regulation) over a 30 year period. It does not find support for the hypothesis that Australia’s prohibition of certain types of firearms has prevented mass shootings, with New Zealand not experiencing a mass shooting since 1997 despite the availability in that country of firearms banned in Australia. ~Source

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RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana - 7/24/2015 3:39:08 PM   
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Seems the shooter is a genuine Tea Party lunatic!


Say thats true, joe. Are you really arguing that a single incident is an indictment of everyone who may have similar views?



Aren't all nazi rightists the exact opposite of leftists, or muslims?

.....I've heard that.

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RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana - 7/24/2015 3:40:47 PM   
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How is the Unabomber leftist? Would seem that he is a slobbering luddite, in short a nazi rightwinger.

I think he was CIA.

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RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana - 7/24/2015 3:43:53 PM   
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Joether........................where on earth did you get that figure of $36,000 to buy a firearm in Australia ? I could go out today and buy enough weaponry to outfit a rifle squad with that amount of money...................and still have enough left over to feed them all for a week too. I think somebody slipped in at least an extra zero there because that figure is more than a little rubbery.

.....and even $3600 is a nice piece.

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RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana - 7/24/2015 4:10:12 PM   
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I know a place out west, (Queensland), where I could buy a good LMG and a few thousand rounds of ammunition for that price (3,600), MrR....................I just couldn't work out how those figures were being tossed around and which ones I should delete. I think it's like one of those games we used to play at school.....................think of a number; double it, now put a zero or two on the end and finally, add the number you first thought of, now divide it by the square root of minus one and you have...........................A NUMBER !!!! ($36,000 maybe ?)

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