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JVoV -> 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana (7/24/2015 12:25:30 AM)
Variety link quote: “Trainwreck” and began randomly firing his handgun into the audience. He later shot and killed himself. Of the seven hospitalized victims, three suffered critical injuries. The ages of the victims range from late teens to 60s. Neither the shooter nor the victims have been identified although police do know the identify of the lone gunman. “It really is a chaotic scene,” police chief Jim Craft told reporters. According to Craft, the shooter has a criminal history that dates back several years. A bomb squad was later called to the scene after police found a suspicious package inside the shooter’s car that was parked outside the theater. Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindel said two of the victims were teachers, and that one took a bullet for the other and pulled the fire alarm. “We heard a loud pop we thought was a firecracker,” witness Katie Domingue told The Daily Advertiser. “He wasn’t saying anything,” she added. “I didn’t hear anybody screaming either.” Universal’s “Trainwreck” comedy, starring Amy Schumer, opened nationwide last Friday. The deadly Louisiana shooting comes less than week after a jury in Aurora, Colorado found James Holmes guilty of first-degree murder in the movie theater shooting that killed 12 people on July 20, 2012. He faces the death penalty. Yeah, I'll wait until it comes to Netflix.

joether -> RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana (7/24/2015 12:42:22 AM)
CNN seems to have more information than your source....

MercTech -> RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana (7/24/2015 8:58:13 AM)
Interesting.... from the description in the video of the police department, it makes me think of a contract killing gone bad.

BamaD -> RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana (7/24/2015 9:05:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech Interesting.... from the description in the video of the police department, it makes me think of a contract killing gone bad. What did it show? I haven't seen the video. I was thinking it might be a Holmes copycat.

joether -> RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana (7/24/2015 10:22:16 AM)
Seems the shooter is a genuine Tea Party lunatic! Yeap, anti-government, suffering from a mental illness, easy access to firearms, and restraining orders from his wife and daughter. I wonder if he had a membership to the NRA? I wonder if that was true, if the NRA has already scrubbed his membership from their data banks and saying "he was never a member'? That is actually one of the liberal conspiracies I hear after every such shooting. To which I tell those people to prove it! In this case, it seems more of a likelihood. As membership to the NRA often is tied to the Tea Party membership. While it could be a copycat of another mass shooting, it could also be a coincidence. Either way, its a mass shooting. An a mystery as to why the guy did it. Seems every few weeks we have another mass shooting. In between that a host of smaller scale shootings. Someone explain to me again why we make firearms easy to obtain, but mental healthcare harder than the winning Powerball Jackpot numbers to get? SOURCE

BamaD -> RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana (7/24/2015 10:50:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether Seems the shooter is a genuine Tea Party lunatic! Yeap, anti-government, suffering from a mental illness, easy access to firearms, and restraining orders from his wife and daughter. I wonder if he had a membership to the NRA? I wonder if that was true, if the NRA has already scrubbed his membership from their data banks and saying "he was never a member'? That is actually one of the liberal conspiracies I hear after every such shooting. To which I tell those people to prove it! In this case, it seems more of a likelihood. As membership to the NRA often is tied to the Tea Party membership. While it could be a copycat of another mass shooting, it could also be a coincidence. Either way, its a mass shooting. An a mystery as to why the guy did it. Seems every few weeks we have another mass shooting. In between that a host of smaller scale shootings. Someone explain to me again why we make firearms easy to obtain, but mental healthcare harder than the winning Powerball Jackpot numbers to get? SOURCE Wrong as usual. He was apolitical. He was also unable to legally obtain a firearm as documented in your link. Thus no laws would have disarmed him. Also you on the left refuse to admit that a ccw holder stopped a mass shooting if there are less than 4 dead (which is usually the case) so you cannot call this a mass shooting. Finally, as usual he picked a gun free zone and killed himself when he saw someone who could fight back.

Sanity -> RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana (7/24/2015 10:52:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether Seems the shooter is a genuine Tea Party lunatic! Say thats true, joe. Are you really arguing that a single incident is an indictment of everyone who may have similar views?

joether -> RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana (7/24/2015 10:59:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether Seems the shooter is a genuine Tea Party lunatic! Yeap, anti-government, suffering from a mental illness, easy access to firearms, and restraining orders from his wife and daughter. I wonder if he had a membership to the NRA? I wonder if that was true, if the NRA has already scrubbed his membership from their data banks and saying "he was never a member'? That is actually one of the liberal conspiracies I hear after every such shooting. To which I tell those people to prove it! In this case, it seems more of a likelihood. As membership to the NRA often is tied to the Tea Party membership. While it could be a copycat of another mass shooting, it could also be a coincidence. Either way, its a mass shooting. An a mystery as to why the guy did it. Seems every few weeks we have another mass shooting. In between that a host of smaller scale shootings. Someone explain to me again why we make firearms easy to obtain, but mental healthcare harder than the winning Powerball Jackpot numbers to get? SOURCE He was also unable to obtain a firearm as documented in your link. Thus no laws would have disarmed him. If he was unable to obtain a firearm explain two things for me: 1. That his wife had to remove many firearms from him. 2. That he had a firearm during the shooting (yeah, logic sucks for you here). If no laws exist to disarm someone whom is already a danger to society, then perhaps we should get around to doing so quickly. Or do you...REALLY...enjoy attending funerals? quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Wrong as usual. He was apolitical. "Some clues are starting to emerge. They include posts on political bulletin boards from a man who identified himself as Houser, with a matching age and longtime hometown of Phenix City, Alabama. He has a profile created by the website Tea Party Nation. And on PoliticalForum.com, he left hundreds of messages espousing anti-government, anti-media views." This destroys your argument right here. If your apolitical, that means your not part of the Tea Party Nation. If your apolitical, you generally are anti-government, nor pro-government. You might have some misgivings of government just as you would have some positive hopes. You would argue for better government, while ranting at the political parties whom 'look the other way' when something matters.

joether -> RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana (7/24/2015 11:09:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: joether Seems the shooter is a genuine Tea Party lunatic! Say thats true, joe. Are you really arguing that a single incident is an indictment of everyone who may have similar views? Funny that you say that Mr. I-Accuse-President-Obama-And-Democrats-Of-Being-Socialists-And-Communists-On-A-Daily-Basis..... That there are many examples of Tea Party-like individuals whom support the political viewpoints of the Tea Party, but are now in federal prison for violating laws. No one states you can not have anti-government viewpoints. But when you start shooting people, while pushing your political ideology, your 1st amendment right to 'free speech' no longer applies. Or you going to tell me that Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nicholes were 'just misunderstood' individuals? Yes, they had anti-government viewpoints. And they blew up the Alfred P. Murray building in Oklahoma City. Do you seriously wish me to drag up all the moments of time in which 'Tea Party' like individuals used violence and firearms due to their viewpoints and those of the conservative media onto their mindsets? How about them 'Sovereign Citizens' movement?

Sanity -> RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana (7/24/2015 11:15:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: joether Seems the shooter is a genuine Tea Party lunatic! Say thats true, joe. Are you really arguing that a single incident is an indictment of everyone who may have similar views? Funny that you say that Mr. I-Accuse-President-Obama-And-Democrats-Of-Being-Socialists-And-Communists-On-A-Daily-Basis..... That there are many examples of Tea Party-like individuals whom support the political viewpoints of the Tea Party, but are now in federal prison for violating laws. No one states you can not have anti-government viewpoints. But when you start shooting people, while pushing your political ideology, your 1st amendment right to 'free speech' no longer applies. Or you going to tell me that Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nicholes were 'just misunderstood' individuals? Yes, they had anti-government viewpoints. And they blew up the Alfred P. Murray building in Oklahoma City. Do you seriously wish me to drag up all the moments of time in which 'Tea Party' like individuals used violence and firearms due to their viewpoints and those of the conservative media onto their mindsets? How about them 'Sovereign Citizens' movement? It would be nice if you were to give a straight answer to my very simple and direct yes or no question. Why cant you do that, joe?

mnottertail -> RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana (7/24/2015 11:27:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: joether Seems the shooter is a genuine Tea Party lunatic! Say thats true, joe. Are you really arguing that a single incident is an indictment of everyone who may have similar views? Aren't all nazi rightists the exact opposite of leftists, or muslims?

joether -> RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana (7/24/2015 11:31:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: joether Seems the shooter is a genuine Tea Party lunatic! Say thats true, joe. Are you really arguing that a single incident is an indictment of everyone who may have similar views? Funny that you say that Mr. I-Accuse-President-Obama-And-Democrats-Of-Being-Socialists-And-Communists-On-A-Daily-Basis..... That there are many examples of Tea Party-like individuals whom support the political viewpoints of the Tea Party, but are now in federal prison for violating laws. No one states you can not have anti-government viewpoints. But when you start shooting people, while pushing your political ideology, your 1st amendment right to 'free speech' no longer applies. Or you going to tell me that Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nicholes were 'just misunderstood' individuals? Yes, they had anti-government viewpoints. And they blew up the Alfred P. Murray building in Oklahoma City. Do you seriously wish me to drag up all the moments of time in which 'Tea Party' like individuals used violence and firearms due to their viewpoints and those of the conservative media onto their mindsets? How about them 'Sovereign Citizens' movement? It would be nice if you were to give a straight answer to my very simple and direct yes or no question. Why cant you do that, joe? You want something that I will never give you: a simplistic answer that doesn't require you to engage your brain. A simple answer would imply that I have confidence (and confidence in the rest of the audience on the forum) to understand the information surrounding that simple answer. For example, when scientists talk about Climate Change, much of their work is simple answers between each other. Yet, for those without a scientific background, they have to explain each part of a subject matter. Because Climate Change is a very complex concept in science. An you have shown time and again not to understand the basics; therefore, I have had to give a long answer to explain things leading up to the advance concept. So that you can follow along. The reason (of many) that you dislike President Obama, is the guy is an educated man. You dislike educated people because they not only explain their viewpoint, but give supporting information/arguments with that answer. To a fellow educated person, this allows a free-flow of information. Not just the answer, but the thinking process that led to that answer. Which is why I disagree with the President here and there; but I understand his thinking process (which I can not fault). You disagree with the President here and there, because you neither understand his views or the thinking process that led to those views. While often time you think/feel I am talking down to you; my motivation is to try to teach and educate. Because if I can bring you up to my level, the caliber of discussions would be quite interesting. There are times you make some really good points, Sanity. An I don't think your aware of them sometimes. I may disagree with the point your making, but I respect the point. I've even pointed out when you made a good point, but giving a counter thought process. I think you interpreted that as an attack rather than realizing I'm complimenting you. Why dont I just come out and say "that's a good point!"? Where would the fun be in that? If your 'on the ball', you'll recognize the times I'm complimenting your point. How to tell when I'm talking down to you? Same dialogue of information, but I'm insulting you. Watch when I 'chat' with Kirata verse when I 'chat' with DS or BamaD. Yeah, every once in a while I will trade insults with DS/BamaD. The rest of the time, we are discussing/arguing over a viewpoint the other stated.

BamaD -> RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana (7/24/2015 11:40:50 AM)
2. That he had a firearm during the shooting (yeah, logic sucks for you here). Before your post I corrected mine with the word legally. He didn't get the gun legally. Thus my logic works just fine. And BTW his legal guns had been taken away from him, didn't you even read your own link.

BamaD -> RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana (7/24/2015 11:45:20 AM)
That his wife had to remove many firearms from him. So you admit that the guns he obtained legally were taken from him.

BamaD -> RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana (7/24/2015 11:50:16 AM)
This destroys your argument right here. If your apolitical, that means your not part of the Tea Party Nation. If your apolitical, you generally are anti-government, nor pro-government. You might have some misgivings of government just as you would have some positive hopes. You would argue for better government, while ranting at the political parties whom 'look the other way' when something matters. His wife says he was apolitical, she might know him better than you do.

BamaD -> RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana (7/24/2015 11:59:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: joether Seems the shooter is a genuine Tea Party lunatic! Say thats true, joe. Are you really arguing that a single incident is an indictment of everyone who may have similar views? Funny that you say that Mr. I-Accuse-President-Obama-And-Democrats-Of-Being-Socialists-And-Communists-On-A-Daily-Basis..... That there are many examples of Tea Party-like individuals whom support the political viewpoints of the Tea Party, but are now in federal prison for violating laws. No one states you can not have anti-government viewpoints. But when you start shooting people, while pushing your political ideology, your 1st amendment right to 'free speech' no longer applies. Or you going to tell me that Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nicholes were 'just misunderstood' individuals? Yes, they had anti-government viewpoints. And they blew up the Alfred P. Murray building in Oklahoma City. Do you seriously wish me to drag up all the moments of time in which 'Tea Party' like individuals used violence and firearms due to their viewpoints and those of the conservative media onto their mindsets? How about them 'Sovereign Citizens' movement? Unabomber, ELF need I go on? Or since they are leftists do they get a pass?

bounty44 -> RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana (7/24/2015 12:06:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether He has a profile created by the website Tea Party Nation..." hey comrade bird brain, I know English language and critical thinking aren't your strong suits but, try this instead "he created a profile on tea party nation's website" as opposed to "he has a profile created by the website tea party nation." I create a profile on facebook, or collarspace, etc. they don't do it for me like I am somehow a representative of their organization and the profile's a part of my company bona fide. see the difference when you use words to convey rightly to convey reality as opposed to using words wrongly? my rendering is the truth; your rendering is misleading--either purposefully so, or because you think/write poorly. either way it isn't good. nevertheless: "Tea Party Leader Says He Doesn't Know Louisiana Movie Theater Shooter" quote: It appears the 59-year old man believed to have shot up a Louisiana movie theater on Thursday night once created a profile on a national tea party community website, but the leader of that organization tells The Daily Caller he doesn’t know John Russell Houser. I mean we’ve got 55,000 people who are on the website, who have signed up as members,” Judson Phillips, the founder of Tea Party Nation, said in a phone interview with TheDC on Friday morning. “As far as I know, he’s never contributed to any discussions or anything on the site,” Phillips said of Houser. “Wouldn’t know the guy if I met him.”… Phillips said he doesn’t believe Houser was active with the organization. “I had somebody check...Whoever he is, this guy has never done anything, never contributed anything, never said anything. And there’s not even a photo on the profile.” Phillips said he is prepared for the tea party to take heat. “I’m sure there will a little bit of character assassination coming from the left,” Phillips said. “Because why should you debate issues like Iran, or the Planned Parenthood scandal, when you can sit there and engage in character assassination because some lunatic signed up for our political website?” “The thing about the tea party, being the decentralized group that it is, anybody can sign up,” Phillips said. “I mean anybody can come in and say, ‘I’m part of the tea party.'” http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/24/tea-party-leader-says-he-doesnt-know-louisiana-movie-theater-shooter/ as far his "hundreds of posts" on politicalforum.com---all you've done there is parrot what the cnn link/story says. how about finding his actual posts and seeing if they are consistent with tea party positions? as for the tea party being "anti government"---sorry scrambled brains, tea party people are not anti-government; they are for limited & constitutional government and fiscal responsibility (oh the horrors). am not sure how you can look yourself in the mirror with a clear conscience given the amount of slander you throw about. when it comes to intellectual honesty and integrity, youre an embarrassment. and the fun of it is for me---I have no interest whatsoever in carrying on a conversation with you and trying to read your incoherent, irrational and off the wall replies.

mnottertail -> RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana (7/24/2015 12:07:27 PM)
How is the Unabomber leftist? Would seem that he is a slobbering luddite, in short a nazi rightwinger.

MercTech -> RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana (7/24/2015 12:14:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: joether Seems the shooter is a genuine Tea Party lunatic! Say thats true, joe. Are you really arguing that a single incident is an indictment of everyone who may have similar views? Aren't all nazi rightists the exact opposite of leftists, or muslims? More like a circle.. you go far enough in either direction you end up at the same street corner in crazyville.

joether -> RE: 'Trainwreck' shooting in Louisiana (7/24/2015 12:28:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD 2. That he had a firearm during the shooting (yeah, logic sucks for you here). Before your post I corrected mine with the word legally. He didn't get the gun legally. Thus my logic works just fine. Do you have a source for this information? quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD And BTW his legal guns had been taken away from him, didn't you even read your own link. I did know that. Yet, I also know in many anti-gun control states that just being on record with a possible mental/emotional disorder is not enough to prohibit a firearm sale. Which is why a background check makes logical sense. An require it for all firearm sales, not just retail establishments. That includes the guy selling from his private collection. That he has to be able to show concrete proof he used state/federal rules to determine the individual was allowed a firearm. Should healthcare professions (i.e. medical doctors, therapists, psychiatrists) be allowed to submit a form that states their client should not be allowed to obtain a firearm by legal means due to a condition? They would not need to explain the exact details of the person's state or 'what was stated in therapy', but allowed to give professional judgement that based on observations the person might be endangered with such arms?

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