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WhoreMods -> RE: Hillary Probed (7/5/2016 11:26:08 AM)

Tantrummey tantrums from tantrummey tantrummers.
They couldn't indict Bill for getting his cock sucked and they think they can get Hilary locked up for stuff that Bush minor spent his eight years in office doing?
Sad!




thompsonx -> RE: Hillary Probed (7/5/2016 11:28:44 AM)


ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

She's going to get away with it.

What is she going to get away with?


Not because anyone thinks she didn't do it. The FBI director knows damn well she did it. He even said in the presser that her statements about a) never sending or receiving classified e-mails; and b) turning over all her work-related e-mails were clearly not true.


And unindightible[8|]

He absolutely lambasted her lack of care for the security of classified e-mails, even up to and including the use of non-secure devices when overseas, when it would be especially easy for hostile actors to gain access to her devices - which Comey acknowleges may well have happened.

May[8|]

But in referring the matter to DOJ prosecutors, the FBI recommends no charges. Why? Not because there isn't evidence she broke the law. There is. But because typically no one gets charged on the basis of such evidence, so Hillary won't either.
His quote:


So what is your issue. Why do you want to prosecute bills wife for somethig no one else is prosecuted for? Is it because you think she is an evil kunt and you do not like her?

"Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. In looking back into our investigations, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges based on these facts."

So in other words, precedent is that the DOJ overlooks such cases unless they can show that the illegal handling of classified material was for the purpose of committing treason or something like that. Not just because there is evidence the law was broken.


How is it you involved yourself in a discussion of over a thousand post without knowing the facts and background of this issue?
Is it because you are a partisan hack who only seeks to attack anyone not of your party?


Another detail Comey revealed: From the 30,000 e-mails the FBI reviewed, 110 e-mails and 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agencies have been determined to have classified information at the time they were sent or received. And eight contained top secret information, while 36 contained secret information.


What is your point?

Hillary flat-out lied about that. Comey goes on to say that when someone is caught acting so irresponsibly, there would normally be some sort of sanction: "Those persons would be subject to security or administrative sanctions, but that's not what's being decided here."

But not in this case. In this case the action being contemplated is to make her president.


That would be your ignorant, unsubstantiated opinion. Why would a bush appointee try to get bill's wife elected?

Hillary certainly did not get off scot-free as far as what Comey said. He ripped her to shreds for the way her schlock, homebrew e-mail server was set up and maintained, and for its woefully inadequate security. The fact that she will apparently not be charged should not fool anyone into thinking she didn't break the law or that she did her job well.


Obviously it has not convinced you.




markyugen -> RE: Hillary Probed (7/5/2016 11:41:12 AM)

I blame it all on past generational ignorance of this newfangled Interwebs thingie we all have to get a crash course on or be relegated to fossil status. Improper server maintenance? Heck, my mother doesn't even know how to send out an email attachment.




bounty44 -> RE: Hillary Probed (7/5/2016 1:04:25 PM)

cd, I think you did a great job responding to the situation...

i hope in the coming days someone will enumerate, all in one place, the laws she broke.

I remember comey talking about how Clinton deleted work emails but, if I remember rightly, because hey that's just the way people use email, she actually didn't destroy public records.

that also seems gets her off the perjury charge related to "yes I turned over all my work emails."

I don't recall hearing anything relative to the clinton foundation.




mnottertail -> RE: Hillary Probed (7/5/2016 1:10:22 PM)

Here you go:

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Next?




CreativeDominant -> RE: Hillary Probed (7/5/2016 1:11:52 PM)

In all honesty, tommy...I don't care whether they indict her or not. In fact, given the situation, I doubted they would.

But...

Come certainly didn't claim she was not guilty of any wrongdoing. And anyone reading his full speech can see that. Which is plenty for me. The FBI director...in a Democratic administration...whose higher-ups include a DOJ director who is friends with the one being investigated still doesn't come out and clear her. He states she did things that were questionable and wrong.

And you're right...she is a disagreeable cunt. If you think that's the only thing I have against her, that would be your ignorant, unsubstantiated opinion.




mnottertail -> RE: Hillary Probed (7/5/2016 1:17:15 PM)

Yup, he said pretty much she should be written up, as well as the entire state department, and a scolding in her file.





CreativeDominant -> RE: Hillary Probed (7/5/2016 1:25:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Yup, he said pretty much she should be written up, as well as the entire state department, and a scolding in her file.

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FBI Director James Comey said Tuesday that he would not recommend charges against Hillary Clinton over her use of private email servers while secretary of state, removing a huge shadow hovering over her presidential campaign.

But Comey administered an extraordinary tongue-lashing to Clinton and her aides, rebuking them for being "extremely careless" in the handling of classified information and saying the presumptive Democratic nominee should have known an unclassified email system was no place to conduct sensitive government business.

The FBI director pointed out that the probe was tasked with examining whether Clinton or her aides had mishandled classified information either intentionally or in a grossly negligent way.

"Our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case," Comey announced after a lengthy recap of the investigation apparently designed to protect the integrity of his agency in a highly charged political atmosphere.

Comey's decision not to recommend charges likely removes the threat of prosecution in the middle of Clinton's campaign for the presidency, but the political fallout will continue. His explicit criticism of Clinton's conduct offered her enemies a trove of fresh ammunition for their assault on her character, honesty and trustworthiness --- one of her biggest vulnerabilities.

In a stunning moment of Washington theater, Comey stepped up to the microphone to deliver the FBI's findings just over two hours before Clinton climbed aboard Air Force One to travel to her first campaign event with President Barack Obama. Adding to the tension, he made clear the White House and the Justice Department "do not know what I am about to say."

White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said the White House doesn't have an official response to the FBI's announcement, saying the case is still active and in the hands of the Department of Justice.

Earnest said he doesn't expect the President to touch on Comey's remarks at the North Carolina rally, and also said, "I am confident that the President and Secretary Clinton are not discussing the FBI investigation that is completed" on Air Force One.

Comey delivered a stern lecture to Clinton and State Department colleagues at her side during her tenure as top U.S. diplomat between 2009 and 2013.

"Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information," he said, "there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information."

In the first reaction from the Clinton camp to Comey's statement, spokesman Brian Fallon said that the campaign was "pleased that the career officials handling this case have determined that no further action by the Department is appropriate.

"As the Secretary has long said, it was a mistake to use her personal email and she would not do it again. We are glad that this matter is now resolved."

The findings of the FBI probe immediately detonated on the campaign trail with presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump crying foul.

"The system is rigged. ... Very very unfair! As usual, bad judgment," Trump tweeted. He later issued a statement in which he claimed U.S. "adversaries almost certainly have a blackmail file on Hillary Clinton," which he said "disqualifies" her from the presidency.

And House Speaker Paul Ryan said Comey's announcement "defies explanation."

"No one should be above the law," Ryan said in a statement. "But based upon the director's own statement, it appears damage is being done to the rule of law. Declining to prosecute Secretary Clinton for recklessly mishandling and transmitting national security information will set a terrible precedent."

But CNN senior political analyst David Axelrod, who formerly worked for Obama, said that Tuesday's dramatic developments were the "best result" Clinton could have hoped for.

"As a political matter, what Hillary Clinton needed was a resolution -- and she got it today," Axelrod said on CNN.

Clinton has admitted her use of a private email server --- discovered during investigation by the House Select Committee --- on Benghazi was a mistake. But she has maintained that she never received or passed on information that was marked classified at the time -- a legalistic position that has exposed her to significant political fire.

Comey said that the FBI "painstakingly" combed through every bit of Clinton's multiple servers and mobile devices that they could from her four-year tenure as secretary of state. He described a series of obstacles, including a server that had its software wiped.

"It was like removing the frame from a huge jigsaw puzzle and then dumping all the pieces on the floor. ... We searched through all of it," he said.

The Justice Department is considered highly likely to accept Comey's recommendations. Attorney General Loretta Lynch said as much amid a furor last week over her encounter with former President Bill Clinton on an airport tarmac in Phoenix, which sparked claims by Republicans that a fix was being concocted to ensure Hillary Clinton was not charged.

Comey said of the 30,000 emails that Clinton's team turned over to the State Department, 110 emails in 52 email chains were determined to have contained classified information "at the time they were sent or received," Comey said. Eight of those chains contained information considered "top secret," the highest level of classification.

That's in addition to 2,000 emails that were "upclassified," or determined to have classified information only in hindsight.

Comey also said the FBI found "thousands" of emails that were work-related but deleted and not given to the State Department, either by regular purging by Clinton or officials during her tenure or mistaken deletion by her lawyers removing personal emails before turning over work-related emails to the State Department.

Three of those were classified at the time, he said.

However, Comey said there was not evidence of any kind of coverup in regards to those emails.

"We believe our investigation has been sufficient to give us reasonable confidence that there was no intentional misconduct in relation to that sorting effort," Comey said.

He also noted that while the FBI could find no direct evidence of an intrusion into Clinton's server by hostile foreign governments, given that she corresponded with individuals whose accounts were compromised and that the server was not secured by government protections, and that she used her email in hostile foreign territories, "It is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton's email account."

Ultimately, Comey said his recommendation against charges stems from the fact that there is no precedent for charging someone under similar circumstances, saying the FBI could not find a single case in which a person was charged with crimes for similar actions.

"Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case," Comey said, saying the FBI could not find a single case in which a person was charged with crimes for similar actions. (Kind of puts the lies to those...not referring to you specifically, otter...who keep saying that he didn't say this)

He also emphatically stated that the investigation was conducted fairly and unbiased.

"This investigation was done honestly, competently and independently. No outside influence of any kind was brought to bear," Comey said. "Opinions are irrelevant. ... We did our investigation the right way. Only facts matter, and the FBI found them here in an entirely apolitical and professional way."




bounty44 -> RE: Hillary Probed (7/5/2016 1:29:23 PM)

its a shame that some other governmental agency independent of the doj does not have standing to bring charges and let a jury hear the case.




mnottertail -> RE: Hillary Probed (7/5/2016 1:32:35 PM)

The FBI director pointed out that the probe was tasked with examining whether Clinton or her aides had mishandled classified information either intentionally or in a grossly negligent way.

potential aint proof, and there is no proof.

I never said that he didnt say that, you are using lying nutsuckerisms again, tongue out of the toilet please.

FBI could not find a single case in which a person was charged with crimes for similar actions.

To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions.

(perhaps a written note in a personnel file.) for shame.




mnottertail -> RE: Hillary Probed (7/5/2016 1:40:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

its a shame that some other governmental agency independent of the doj does not have standing to bring charges and let a jury hear the case.



You love your big overreaching government, thats for sure.

I do believe the ineffectual nutsuckers down in the congress can go to court.

They have standing its their ineffectual nutsucker law after all.




CreativeDominant -> RE: Hillary Probed (7/5/2016 2:10:45 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

The FBI director pointed out that the probe was tasked with examining whether Clinton or her aides had mishandled classified information either intentionally or in a grossly negligent way.

potential aint proof, and there is no proof.

I never said that he didnt say that, you are using lying nutsuckerisms again, tongue out of the toilet please.

FBI could not find a single case in which a person was charged with crimes for similar actions.

To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions.

(perhaps a written note in a personnel file.) for shame.

You'll note that I specifically excluded you. Get your eyes on straight and your comprehension turned on.




mnottertail -> RE: Hillary Probed (7/5/2016 2:22:21 PM)

it doesnt appear that way, but now that you said that, I guess you messed up the quotes. I dont think you did that knowingly and with malice, so, you are guiltless.

my apologies, but you can see the room for misinterpretation.




KenDckey -> RE: Hillary Probed (7/5/2016 5:22:04 PM)

http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/crime/2015/07/29/navy-engineer-sentenced-for-mishandling-classified-material/30862027/

Yup Hilary is free and others are guilty of bassically the same thing. Go figure.




Awareness -> RE: Hillary Probed (7/5/2016 5:27:59 PM)

81 pages? 81 fucking pages? Shiftyw must be cumming every hour.




Aylee -> RE: Hillary Probed (7/5/2016 6:06:14 PM)

Well, now Petty Officer 1st Class Kristian Saucier has a defense. Since lack of intent clears a person.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/27/navy-sailor-set-plead-guilty-classified-photos/




CreativeDominant -> RE: Hillary Probed (7/5/2016 7:20:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aylee

Well, now Petty Officer 1st Class Kristian Saucier has a defense. Since lack of intent clears a person.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/27/navy-sailor-set-plead-guilty-classified-photos/
So true...and when you're given this kind of statement (and backhanded condemnation---warning to others?) by the Director of the F. B. I.:

"To be clear, this is NOT to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences."
James Comey

Just not Hillary...




mnottertail -> RE: Hillary Probed (7/6/2016 4:01:56 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee

Well, now Petty Officer 1st Class Kristian Saucier has a defense. Since lack of intent clears a person.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/27/navy-sailor-set-plead-guilty-classified-photos/
So true...and when you're given this kind of statement (and backhanded condemnation---warning to others?) by the Director of the F. B. I.:

"To be clear, this is NOT to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences."
James Comey

Just not Hillary...



When your cellphone with the pictures on it is at the local dump, and anyone can pick it up, that sort of gets to be where the illegal starts.




Lucylastic -> RE: Hillary Probed (7/6/2016 4:52:44 AM)

Chafetz and Ryan want a new investigation into the investigation, I take it they wont stop till its been investigated as many times as the ACA was "repealed"




mnottertail -> RE: Hillary Probed (7/6/2016 5:02:41 AM)

nutsuckers fiddle while america burns.




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