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Raise the Mininal Wage to $15/hour - 7/24/2015 10:53:49 AM   
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Dunkin Donuts, has been New England Franchise for over thirty-five years. They make donuts (and other things) better than their competition. You want a glazed donut, you get one for the same price as others. Bit its bigger, tastier, and not covered in five pounds of glass.

Recently the CEO spoke at a New York State Wage Board. Stating that $15/hour while a good idea, would hurt businesses.

To which I would counter that minimal wage increases have always spark rounds by the business community that it would 'effect their profits, and prevent them from hiring". And yet, soon after each round of increases, these businesses made more money and hired more people.

The $15/hour has been in the news and before it, in activist camps across the nation well before it. The reason is simple: We the American people are paying our tax dollars in an indirect way to subsidize companies big and small (i.e. Wal-Mart and the 'ma & pa' stores). Often these businesses state "mostly teenagers work minimal wage. Our adult populations earn more" (yeah like $0.12 more, which is STILL nothing to live on).

M.I.T. created a Living Wage Calculator broken down to local areas to determine the 'break even' level for adult Americans making just above the federal poverty level. While this calculator is a helpful tool, it should not be used as the ONLY tool in determining the minimal pay rate of adult works.

What would happen? If across the nation the minimal wage was increased to $15/hour?

In the short term (3-7 years), the lowest workers would be just above the poverty level and a less need for state and federal programs (i.e. welfare).

Companies would hold a hiring freeze for a few months while the accountants give them the 'OK' to begin hiring again.

Inflation and 'cost of living' would rise by a slightly higher rate than this nation experiences already. The grand majority of Americans (including the minimal wage workers) would not notice it.

The economy would receive a positive 'bump' in the economy. As more Americans have more disposable income to purchase more goods. This results in companies hiring more people to make and sell products/services.

Prices for food, clothing, cars, etc, would all rise. Not so much due directly to the hiring rate increase, but businees owners believing they can make more profit. So that gallon of milk that cost $3.50 will be $3.80. $0.28 will be the profit increase while the remaining $0.02 the increase to pay the workers the additional money. We require the government to be honest, right? Why not the companies themselves?

From the article:

"Travis (CEO of Dunkin Donuts) argued that fast food companies are a starting point in the job market, and he said most of the Dunkin' employees on minimum wage are teenagers that are expected to move on to higher-paying jobs."

Then we should force Mr. Travis to 'open the books' on the hiring numbers, their ages, and pay scale. After all, if what he states is true, that should be easy to do. I've been in many Dunkin Donuts over my life. More than half the time, its staff by adults. Yes, the teenagers run some of the operation, but never have I seen one operated wholly by teenagers. I know one such employee that works at a franchise inside a gas station (very common in New England). She processes orders very rapidly and does so with a smile. Yet, she makes minimal wage and is older than I am! This person deserves a raise.

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RE: Raise the Mininal Wage to $15/hour - 7/24/2015 11:04:54 AM   
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I once took the minimum wage from the first tax paying job I ever had (Min. Wage was $1.91/hr then) and applied the official stated rate of inflation every year up until 2000. Hmm, if minimum wage increased by the inflation rate it should have been over $40/hr by 2000.

Where did I put that tin foil hat? Is sure seems like inflation is a planned policy to make it look like the economy is growing while doing really nothing to help with economic problems.

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RE: Raise the Mininal Wage to $15/hour - 7/24/2015 11:14:54 AM   
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I once took the minimum wage from the first tax paying job I ever had (Min. Wage was $1.91/hr then) and applied the official stated rate of inflation every year up until 2000. Hmm, if minimum wage increased by the inflation rate it should have been over $40/hr by 2000.

Where did I put that tin foil hat? Is sure seems like inflation is a planned policy to make it look like the economy is growing while doing really nothing to help with economic problems.


You made an error in your calculation. Inflation does not always go up. Sometimes it has decreased. This economic concept is known as Deflation. That you didn't account for that variable (and others) gives you that outrageous total.

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RE: Raise the Mininal Wage to $15/hour - 7/24/2015 12:04:38 PM   
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I once took the minimum wage from the first tax paying job I ever had (Min. Wage was $1.91/hr then) and applied the official stated rate of inflation every year up until 2000. Hmm, if minimum wage increased by the inflation rate it should have been over $40/hr by 2000.

Where did I put that tin foil hat? Is sure seems like inflation is a planned policy to make it look like the economy is growing while doing really nothing to help with economic problems.


You made an error in your calculation. Inflation does not always go up. Sometimes it has decreased. This economic concept is known as Deflation. That you didn't account for that variable (and others) gives you that outrageous total.


Inflation has been in an upward direction in the U.S. since the early 1970s. Yes, there is certainly deflation... but it hasn't occurred in the last 30 years in the U.S. except as a short term trend. I never took my exercise with references in hand past 2000 when I did the calculation; it was too depressing.

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RE: Raise the Mininal Wage to $15/hour - 7/24/2015 12:21:04 PM   
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I once took the minimum wage from the first tax paying job I ever had (Min. Wage was $1.91/hr then) and applied the official stated rate of inflation every year up until 2000. Hmm, if minimum wage increased by the inflation rate it should have been over $40/hr by 2000.

Where did I put that tin foil hat? Is sure seems like inflation is a planned policy to make it look like the economy is growing while doing really nothing to help with economic problems.


You made an error in your calculation. Inflation does not always go up. Sometimes it has decreased. This economic concept is known as Deflation. That you didn't account for that variable (and others) gives you that outrageous total.


Inflation has been in an upward direction in the U.S. since the early 1970s. Yes, there is certainly deflation... but it hasn't occurred in the last 30 years in the U.S. except as a short term trend. I never took my exercise with references in hand past 2000 when I did the calculation; it was too depressing.


Deflation generally takes place when the economy is going downward. Over the decades the US economy has gone upwards. There have been economic recessions and one near-depression in recent history. In those moments, deflation actually took place.

In other instances, deflation takes place thanks to government rules, regulations and controls. Since deflating inflation domestically, allows for a strong US dollar against foreign currencies. Which one reason (of many thousands) why the USD has kept foreign markets from imploding.

The EU by comparison has had a problem with Greece. The problem stemmed from the idea that each country was allowed to regulate the EU for their nation, rather than one group over the whole of nations. Kind of like how 'The Fed' regulates over all fifty states of the nation as it concerns the dollar. It was an economic experiment that didn't work out well when one nation's economy went far south. Perhaps they will learn from it.

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RE: Raise the Mininal Wage to $15/hour - 7/24/2015 12:39:36 PM   
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well,.. you know that there are millions of workers that dont earn even the piddly present $7.25/hr minimum wage.. they dont "qualify" under the FLSA (due to lobbying by businesses that profit from paying slave wages).. its all well and good to talk about raising the minimum wage but why arent ALL workers covered under it? So if the minimum wage is increased, the costs for everything including food, housing, utilities, etc will increase but those workers will be squeezed even more..

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RE: Raise the Mininal Wage to $15/hour - 7/24/2015 12:55:44 PM   
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Deflation occurs when the economy is going down when on a material based fiscal system. On a fiat based fiscal system... anything goes. If you artificially inflate the currency to give the appearance of increase you always have a positive quarterly balance sheet even if you are losing a bit every week. The Federal Reserve Bank seems to consider a small inflation rate each year a sign of a healthy economy. It seems to me like the bright eyed gaze you see in someone running a low grade fever from a disease.

Anyway, my anecdote was about from my first paycheck job until 2000 which was when I did my calculations.

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/

See any negative numbers between 1973 and 2000?

Inflation insidiously chips away at everything. If you get a 3% return on your savings account and the inflation rate is 4%; what do you have? Hmmm?

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RE: Raise the Mininal Wage to $15/hour - 7/24/2015 1:05:24 PM   
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There's another factor you didn't take into account. If minimum wage is raised to $15/hr, where does that leave somebody like me, who has 25 years experience in my chosen field? The same logic that dictates $15/hr minimum wage should also require that I make $40/hr or more. We all know that ain't happening. The point to a minimum wage job is that it is intended to be the first job for a kid just learning how to budget their money or someone who otherwise has no marketable skills. There are better ways to bridge the gap between income and meeting basic needs. A legitimately universal health care system like that of the UK or the Scandinavian countries, instead of the bastardized mess of Obamacare, is one such solution. But that's not likely to happen, either, since the politicians on both sides of the aisle are too beholden to their corporate masters to actually serve "we the people" as they were elected to do.

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RE: Raise the Mininal Wage to $15/hour - 7/24/2015 1:14:22 PM   
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Deflation occurs when the economy is going down when on a material based fiscal system. On a fiat based fiscal system... anything goes. If you artificially inflate the currency to give the appearance of increase you always have a positive quarterly balance sheet even if you are losing a bit every week. The Federal Reserve Bank seems to consider a small inflation rate each year a sign of a healthy economy. It seems to me like the bright eyed gaze you see in someone running a low grade fever from a disease.

Anyway, my anecdote was about from my first paycheck job until 2000 which was when I did my calculations.

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/

See any negative numbers between 1973 and 2000?

Inflation insidiously chips away at everything. If you get a 3% return on your savings account and the inflation rate is 4%; what do you have? Hmmm?

its actually worse than that cuz over time as costs increase the govt will substitute lesser & lower priced products where they can in their calculations.. so its skewed to look like inflation is a lot less than it is..

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RE: Raise the Mininal Wage to $15/hour - 7/24/2015 1:47:45 PM   
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Deflation occurs when the economy is going down when on a material based fiscal system. On a fiat based fiscal system... anything goes. If you artificially inflate the currency to give the appearance of increase you always have a positive quarterly balance sheet even if you are losing a bit every week. The Federal Reserve Bank seems to consider a small inflation rate each year a sign of a healthy economy. It seems to me like the bright eyed gaze you see in someone running a low grade fever from a disease.


Deflation occurs not just when the economy is decreasing. That the US Government have used policy and mechanisms to control inflation (i.e. the Interest Rate Changes every Tuesday of the week). That states do this at the 'local' level through laws and regulations.

A deflation can occur neither by business or government, but do to natural disasters. When New Jersey got flooded a few years ago (when most Americans saw Gov. Christie for the first time), the local economy was 'under water' for months.

Finally, a deflation can occur due to a lowering of confidence in any number of financial areas (i.e. decreasing of values in the future's markets, stocks tumble, entities about to default on bonds.)

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Anyway, my anecdote was about from my first paycheck job until 2000 which was when I did my calculations.

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/


I figured that is what it was. And pointing out the error you made in the calculation. Sometimes just a decimal point can change your paycheck, eh?

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See any negative numbers between 1973 and 2000?


Is the current year between 1973 and 2000? No, it is not. Is the current year between 1929 and 1931? No of course not. In the first example (1973-2000) deflation did not really take a noticeable scale on the economy. Did the economy deflate between 1929 to 1931? FUCK YEAH!

Between 2007-2011, this nation had a recession. The whole of the G. W. Bush administration before 2006 was 'shaky' at best. While the Fed and the administration tried to keep things looking stable, there were many instances of instability. I'm sure some of those grey hairs are from those moments on G. W. Bush's head. Not an easy think to preside over a failing economy for anyone.

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Inflation insidiously chips away at everything. If you get a 3% return on your savings account and the inflation rate is 4%; what do you have? Hmmm?


Which is why you don't invest into a saving account when in that situation. You educate yourself into good investing skills. During the 2007-2011 recession, I was selling short and making a good profit. When a CFP states they can get a better ROI; I ask them for their financial books. If they're percentage is better during the same time frame (five years to present), I'll go with them. I don't ever seem to have call backs for some odd reason....

There is a good book: "The Millionaire Next Door". Check it out of your local library and read it. You might gain some valuable insight.

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RE: Raise the Mininal Wage to $15/hour - 7/24/2015 2:07:54 PM   
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There's another factor you didn't take into account. If minimum wage is raised to $15/hr, where does that leave somebody like me, who has 25 years experience in my chosen field? The same logic that dictates $15/hr minimum wage should also require that I make $40/hr or more. We all know that ain't happening.


Just using a different font to be different, eh? :P

You make a good argument. One that as often been used to 'put down' minimal wage increases.

There are two ways to understand this:

1 ) The amount of resources it takes a poor person (i.e. below the federal poverty level) is much greater than that of someone making $60K/year or $125K/year. Which is to say that person must draw upon local, state, and federal programs just to live. While FOX 'news' would have you believe they live far better than people in other countries whom are poor; those other people do not live in the United States. Nor do the people at FOX 'news' live as if they were financially poor. Since being poor tends to give insight on 'what it's REALLY like to be poor'.

2 ) That your chosen field and someone earning 'X' have nothing in common. Or at least your not giving any information to state how the two are directly linked together. I have a chosen field, and medical doctors make $230K/year. Unless my chosen field is 'medical doctor', there really isn't much linkage here. Is your chosen field 'being a poor person'?

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The point to a minimum wage job is that it is intended to be the first job for a kid just learning how to budget their money or someone who otherwise has no marketable skills.


And yet, there are adults working minimal wage jobs because they can not compete for a variety of reasons for better paying jobs. Usually do to health, education, or legal status. Legal status folks aside, the other two (i.e. health and education) do play heavy roles in someone obtaining a higher level paying job. Yes, there are programs gears to help these people obtain those jobs. And for numerous reasons this does not happen. Some just dont know such programs exist or how to qualify for it.

Go in to your local Wal-Mart and count the number of adults (age 18+) whom work there. Then count the teenagers. Which population is bigger?

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There are better ways to bridge the gap between income and meeting basic needs. A legitimately universal health care system like that of the UK or the Scandinavian countries, instead of the bastardized mess of Obamacare, is one such solution.


The 'bastardized' solution of the Affordable Care Act was a compromise the Democrats imposed in the hopes the Republicans would give an 'aye' rather than a 'nay' vote. The President and Democrats back in 2010 met with Republicans at a breakfast. There, they asked "What needs to be in this bill for it to pass?". The Republicans gave ten answers. The Democrats grumbled left and right about each one, but put them in, with good faith. The Republicans all voted against it. Basically going back on their own 'word'. They would later do the same thing with the super committee and each budget budget to the present. Yes, 'integrity' is not a virtue to accuse Republicans of holding.

Healthcare is only one area. Infrastructure has to be improved upon. Better water, electricity, and educational. The handling and understanding of the nation's poor youth. Also a program that places homeless people into an actual shelter. Helps with basic needs. One US city found it could handle its homeless problem by housing them. Cost then 1/3rd of what they were paying before.

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But that's not likely to happen, either, since the politicians on both sides of the aisle are too beholden to their corporate masters to actually serve "we the people" as they were elected to do.


You could say that of the Republican/Tea Party. The Democrats are the ones that are in favor of better healthcare for everyone (including veterans), infrastructure, housing homeless, and improving conditions.

Its funny that most people can rattle of the 'Liberal Nanny State', but just about everyone fails to define the 'Conservative Nanny State'. Even though we have never had a liberal nanny state but plenty of examples of the conservative nanny states in US History.

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RE: Raise the Mininal Wage to $15/hour - 7/24/2015 2:38:16 PM   
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The point to a minimum wage job is that it is intended to be the first job for a kid just learning how to budget their money or someone who otherwise has no marketable skills.


That's not the point of a minimum wage. That's not why it was first introduced. It was brought about to reduce exploitation and the potential for civil unrest.






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RE: Raise the Mininal Wage to $15/hour - 7/24/2015 3:21:24 PM   
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Which is why you don't invest into a saving account when in that situation. You educate yourself into good investing skills. During the 2007-2011 recession, I was selling short and making a good profit. When a CFP states they can get a better ROI; I ask them for their financial books. If they're percentage is better during the same time frame (five years to present), I'll go with them. I don't ever seem to have call backs for some odd reason....

There is a good book: "The Millionaire Next Door". Check it out of your local library and read it. You might gain some valuable insight.


So all the blue collar workers that don't have enough liquidity for stock investment just have to suck up the erosion of their purchasing power because they don't earn enough to play in the big boy's league.

Wow, closet radical republican there.

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RE: Raise the Mininal Wage to $15/hour - 7/24/2015 3:31:33 PM   
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I agree that minimum wage should be higher and that there thus should be a floor under which nobody should be forced to work...$15/hr. is too high. About $10 + seems right and then indexed to inflation.

The real problem is saying that somebody making $23,000 or so, is a manager and thus exempt from overtime.

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RE: Raise the Mininal Wage to $15/hour - 7/24/2015 4:12:11 PM   
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Why dont we have a maximum wage. you know where you raise the minimum wage by say 100% you must raise the maximum wage by the same percentage. And all points in between as well

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RE: Raise the Mininal Wage to $15/hour - 7/24/2015 4:19:09 PM   
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increasing minimum wage is not going to fix squat...
the price of milk will double, your rent will double....
the rich are not going to go broke.

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RE: Raise the Mininal Wage to $15/hour - 7/24/2015 6:47:39 PM   
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Its funny that most people can rattle of the 'Liberal Nanny State', but just about everyone fails to define the 'Conservative Nanny State'. Even though we have never had a liberal nanny state but plenty of examples of the conservative nanny states in US History.

Here you go, Joether...you are either delusional or a liar.

The nanny state describes the tendency of liberal politicians to enact policies that make economic and health decisions for citizens. It is Democrats' method of increasing their control over people by pretending to solve society's problems by putting the government in charge of issues that used to be handled well by parents. Essentially, the government becomes the decision maker as the person who knows what is in your best interest. It removes responsibility from individuals and parents and promotes irresponsibility and dependence. The nanny state erodes the authority of parents to a virtual irrelevancy.

Examples

Hillary Clinton once quipped, "It takes a village [aka government] to raise a kid."[1] In a normal society, however, it takes only a mother and a father.
Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg's May 2012 proposal to restrict the sale of soft drinks in venues, restaurants and sidewalk carts to 16 ounces.[2]
Compulsory public schooling.
Helmet laws.
Universal healthcare for 300 million so that 45 million uninsured citizens will have medical coverage (see ObamaCare)
In the United Kingdom and European Union, the government pays for advertisements about healthy eating, including encouragements to drink more milk.[3][4]
In 2011, the Welsh government mandated fire sprinklers in all new houses, regardless of the wishes of the builders or owners [5].

Quotes about the Nanny State

"Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone." -- Frederic Bastiat

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy…" -- Alexander Fraser Tytler, Scottish lawyer and writer, 1770

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis

http://www.conservapedia.com/Nanny_State

There is a notion out there that being "socially liberal" means you're a libertarian at heart, a live-and-let-live sort of person who says "whatever floats your boat" a lot.

Alleged proof for this amusing myth (or pernicious lie, take your pick) comes in the form of liberal support for gay marriage and abortion rights, and opposition to a few things that smack of what some people call "traditional values."

The evidence disproving this adorable story of live-and-let-live liberalism comes in the form of pretty much everything else liberals say, do and believe.

Social liberalism is the foremost, predominant and in many instances sole impulse for zealous regulation in this country, particularly in big cities. I love it when liberals complain about a ridiculous bit of PC nanny-statism coming out of New York, L.A., Chicago, D.C., Seattle, etc. -- "What will they do next?"

Uh, sorry to tell you, but you are "they." Outside of a "Law and Order" script -- or an equally implausible MSNBC diatribe about who ruined Detroit -- conservatives have as much influence on big-city liberalism as the Knights of Malta.

Seriously, who else do people think are behind efforts to ban big sodas or sue hairdressers for charging women more than men? Who harasses little kids for making toy guns out of sticks, pop tarts or their own fingers? Who wants to regulate the air you breathe? The food you eat and the beverages you drink? Who wants to control your thermostat? Take your guns? Your cigarettes? Heck, your candy cigarettes? Who's in favor of speech codes on campuses and "hate crime" laws everywhere? Who's in favor of free speech when it comes to taxpayer-subsidized "art" and pornography (so long as you use a condom, if liberals get their way) but then bangs their spoons on their high chairs for strict regulations when it comes to political speech? Who loves meddling, finger-wagging billionaires like Michael Bloomberg when they use state power and taxpayer money to herd, bully and nudge people but thinks billionaires like the Koch brothers who want to shrink government are the root of all tyranny?

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-09-16/news/bs-ed-goldberg-liberalism-20130916_1_liberals-d-c-speech-codes

In San Francisco, if you do not recycle your trash correctly you can be fined up to $500.

The following are just some of the cities that have started using RFID tracking chips to monitor the recycling habits of their citizens….
*Cleveland, Ohio
*Charlotte, North Carolina
*Alexandria, Virginia
*Boise, Idaho
*Dayton, Ohio
*Flint, Michigan

In Minnetonka, Minnesota you can be fined up to $2,000 for having a muddy vehicle.

In many U.S. states is it now illegal to collect any rain that falls on to your own property.

In San Juan Capistrano, California it is against the law to hold a home Bible study without a “conditional use permit“.

In Louisiana, one church was ordered to stop passing out water because it did not have the proper permit.

At public schools all over the United States, the lunches that little children bring from home are now inspected to make sure that they meet USDA guidelines. The following is one recent report of this phenomenon from North Carolina….
A preschooler at West Hoke Elementary School ate three chicken nuggets for lunch Jan. 30 because the school told her the lunch her mother packed was not nutritious.

The girl’s turkey and cheese sandwich, banana, potato chips, and apple juice did not meet U.S. Department of Agriculture guidelines, according to the interpretation of the person who was inspecting all lunch boxes in the More at Four classroom that day.

The Division of Child Development and Early Education at the Department of Health and Human Services requires all lunches served in pre-kindergarten programs — including in-home day care centers — to meet USDA guidelines. That means lunches must consist of one serving of meat, one serving of milk, one serving of grain, and two servings of fruit or vegetables, even if the lunches are brought from home.

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/18-examples-of-the-nanny-state-gone-wild

Nanny State
Intrusive government policies in Europe and recently the United States, designed to legislate morality and social behavior, assuming the state knows best what constitutes such, in the goal of essentially protecting people from the obvious consequences of their own stupid and destructive behaviors. Therefore, the central government believes it has the comprehensive and moral duty to protect the citizenry from itself. A derogatory term used in reference to intrusive political policies where the government has an excessive desire to govern and control society in the name of “protection.” When the central government of countries goes from being a governing body to a regulatory power and social caretaker, that engages in social protectionism and economic intervensionism, to control you from the womb to the tomb and institutionalizes them as common practice.

Opponents of such policies use the term in their advocacy against what they consider as uninvited and damaging state meddling in social affairs. The nanny state burdens people with high taxes and numerous government regulations to totally control our lives and make us more dependant on government, in its quest for more power. In practice, it assumes the citizenry is stupid and that intrusive legislation is mandatory to protect people from themselves.

The term can refer to:
1. public health interventions such as disease surveillance, quarantines, mandatory or government-subsidized vaccinations, food labeling regulations, school lunch programs, and water fluoridation
2. consumer protectionism that removes or controls otherwise free choices such as helmet and seatbelt laws, anti-smoking laws, eating and drinking laws, high taxes on junkfood, and other laws regarding personal choice
3. regulation and intervention of national economic and social policies.

The nanny state is criticized by Conservatives and libertarians, who object to excessive legislation and restrictions to citizens free-choice, to protect people from the obvious consequences of their stupid actions. Liberals, on the other hand, have used the term to describe the state as being excessive in its protections of businesses and the business class —protections made against the public good, and the good of consumers.

Nanny-state actions and legislations: consumer product warning labels, mandatory helmet and seatbelt laws, bans on public smoking (to the point of even banning it in your own home or in the car), cell-phone restrictions while driving, high taxes on junk food, laws against recreational drug use, gun control, a legal smoking or drinking age, censorship (FCC), workforce safety regulations (OSHA), laws against cock-fighting or dog-fighting, consumer product regulations, laws regulating performance-enhancing drugs of athletes, and having to have a license to baby-sit, to name a few.

A common criticism of nanny state policies is that they are less concerned with the welfare of citizens, than with preventing litigation and promoting the careers of politicians.

America has become nothing but a society of too many government regualtions and litigations, essentially making it a Nanny State, because no one has common sense anymore, and the government thinks it is their duty to protect the citizenry from itself and the obvious consequences of its own destructive behavior.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Nanny+State

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RE: Raise the Mininal Wage to $15/hour - 7/24/2015 7:28:20 PM   
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RE: Raise the Mininal Wage to $15/hour - 7/24/2015 7:46:27 PM   
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I'm all for raising the mininal wage.

The minimum wage is another issue. While I support raising it, somewhat, there is the issue that while we are going to be making more (the "royal" we), shit's gonna cost us more.

The middle class is all but gone in this country and, while some choose to solely blame the greed of big corporations (there's certainly some of that), they refuse to understand that government involvement and take over of big business (hello, Obummercare) is also a major issue.

I'm 50 years old and I am hard pressed to think of a product or service that the private sector can't offer cheaper and better than the federal government.



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RE: Raise the Mininal Wage to $15/hour - 7/24/2015 8:00:14 PM   
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I don't know I kinda like a nanny state that entitles me to:

.....a single payer govt. run insurance of my bank deposits (FDIC)

.....a single payer govt. run insurance for my crops (FCIP)

.....a single payer govt. run insurance for my overseas private [sic] investments. (OPIC)

.....a program to prop up the price of my crops even buying them, or paying me not to grow them, for which there is otherwise little or no demand.

.....create a market for a fuel for which there is little or no demand, subsidizes its production and places restrictive tariffs on my foreign competition.

.....report/record and keep my profits offshore and thus un-taxed.

.....subsidizes my multi-billion$ profitable businesses.

.....allows me to gamble those insured bank deposits and if I blow it (roll craps) legally declaring I am too big too fail. Meaning the nanny ensures my profits while taking most of the risk.

Trust [me]...I LOVE THAT nanny govt.

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