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RE: Religious Rights Not "Good Enough" to Ref... - 7/30/2015 7:42:45 PM   
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RE: Religious Rights Not "Good Enough" to Ref... - 7/30/2015 7:47:16 PM   
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RE: Religious Rights Not "Good Enough" to Ref... - 7/30/2015 8:28:28 PM   
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RE: Religious Rights Not "Good Enough" to Ref... - 7/31/2015 9:18:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Arturas

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they did not help the poor and needy


Scripture says that in order to help the poor and needy you do not feed them a fish every day but instead feed them a fish and then teach them to fish so they may feed themselves and others in need and then teach them to fish (learn a trade) and so on and so on. This is why scripture says one is blessed with abundance when you follow this policy and why one is not blessed with abundance when you are a liberal city or state.


This would be a reasonable rebuttal if conservatives were pro-public education, however since that group's infamous for breaking education and loathing knowledge....seems like conservatives are hell bound according to the bible.

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RE: Religious Rights Not "Good Enough" to Ref... - 7/31/2015 12:07:30 PM   
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Well, scripture says God told Abraham that if he could find only 10 righteous men in that city then God would spare the city.


Even better... this means we can have all the lesbians we want...so better start baking those cakes.

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RE: Religious Rights Not "Good Enough" to Ref... - 7/31/2015 1:12:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GotSteel


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ORIGINAL: Arturas

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they did not help the poor and needy


Scripture says that in order to help the poor and needy you do not feed them a fish every day but instead feed them a fish and then teach them to fish so they may feed themselves and others in need and then teach them to fish (learn a trade) and so on and so on. This is why scripture says one is blessed with abundance when you follow this policy and why one is not blessed with abundance when you are a liberal city or state.


This would be a reasonable rebuttal if conservatives were pro-public education, however since that group's infamous for breaking education and loathing knowledge....seems like conservatives are hell bound according to the bible.
No, conservatives do not loathe knowledge nor are they against education. They are against their tax dollars being spent for indoctrination disguised as education...see the homework assigned in the OP on the progressive education thread and against constantly shoveling more into a dysyem with little to show in terms of results...see our standing against other countries.

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RE: Religious Rights Not "Good Enough" to Ref... - 7/31/2015 1:47:38 PM   
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No, conservatives do not loathe knowledge nor are they against education. They are against their tax dollars being spent for indoctrination disguised as education...


This of course is typical of the 'conservative' asswipe. Creationism.

Christendom College
College of the Ozarks
Colorado Christian University
Franciscan University
Grove City College
Harding University
Hillsdale College
The King's College
Liberty University
Ohio Christian University
Patrick Henry College
Regent University
Saint Vincent College
Thomas Aquinas College
Thomas More College
Wisconsin Lutheran College

All sewers of indoctrination disguised as education. And not a comprehensive list at that.



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RE: Religious Rights Not "Good Enough" to Ref... - 7/31/2015 3:29:58 PM   
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No, conservatives do not loathe knowledge nor are they against education. They are against their tax dollars being spent for indoctrination disguised as education...


This of course is typical of the 'conservative' asswipe. Creationism.

Christendom College
College of the Ozarks
Colorado Christian University
Franciscan University
Grove City College
Harding University
Hillsdale College
The King's College
Liberty University
Ohio Christian University
Patrick Henry College
Regent University
Saint Vincent College
Thomas Aquinas College
Thomas More College
Wisconsin Lutheran College

All sewers of indoctrination disguised as education. And not a comprehensive list at that.


All sewers of indoctrination...and not a comprehensive list.
University of California
Colorado University
Yale
Harvard
Bryn Mawr
Cornell
Vanderbilt
University of Michigan
University of Wisconsin
University of Minnesota
Florida Atlantic University
University of Massachusetts
University of California at Berkeley
Iowa State University. (Take this post by Warren Blumenfeld, a just retired professor of education at Iowa State University. He writes about a course he gives:

Each semester I teach the course CI 406, “Multicultural Foundations in Schools and Society,” in the School of Education. I base the course on a number of key concepts and assumptions, including how issues of power, privilege, and domination within the United States center on inequitable social divisions regarding race, ethnicity, socioeconomic class, sex, gender identity, sexual identity, religion, nationality, linguistic background, physical and mental ability/disability, and age. I address how issues around social identities impact generally on life outcomes, and specifically on educational outcomes. Virtually all students registered for this course, which is mandatory for students registered in the Teacher Education program, are pre-service teachers.
Gee, you think this kind of bunk being mandatory for teaching students will have an effect?)

14 schools, same as your list. Care to guess which lust receives the most in taxpayer dollars? Since I did mention PUBLIC schools.


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RE: Religious Rights Not "Good Enough" to Ref... - 7/31/2015 3:44:39 PM   
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RE: Religious Rights Not "Good Enough" to Ref... - 7/31/2015 4:16:57 PM   
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Maybe they would be better served to hire a professor capable of addressing something other than the "bunk."

Or by going along with the liberal school of thought..

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RE: Religious Rights Not "Good Enough" to Ref... - 7/31/2015 4:33:33 PM   
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RE: Religious Rights Not "Good Enough" to Ref... - 7/31/2015 7:40:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, all of this despite the fact that in the west predominantly, a formal small 'l' liberal education only requires a few salient economical, social and financial points:

When a person is born, they are either to produce a profit for themselves or somebody else, or can either go to jail...or just die.

Chomsky '101'

The profit motive is the classical overriding inspiration and motivation for all human progress on earth. resulting in the postulation that despite greed and competition being [its] result of yet what is not immutable human temperament, greed and fear of scarcity are to be and is in fact being created and amplified, the direct consequence of that being that we have to fight with each other in order to survive."

paraphrasing Bernard Lietaer founder of the EU currency system.

Resulting in war, its machinery (spending) and the pursuit of which drawing more resources world-wide than all other social and economic pursuits...combined.....

.....proving Kant's axiom, paraphrasing...the powers thus view from afar their wretched unfortunates while sitting in their palaces and sipping their brandy, going after people and into countries as if [they] are and belong to nobody, proves that history will forever be...written in blood.

All of the rest is art and merely conversation.

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RE: Religious Rights Not "Good Enough" to Ref... - 7/31/2015 8:32:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I can't speak for your education, but I studied music, literature, philosophy, economics, history, humanities, and went on to work as a performer, then in the music wholesale business, then writer, business management, finance, consultant, professor, author, business owner.

Not so much the rest of your list. But maybe that's just my experience.

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RE: Religious Rights Not "Good Enough" to Ref... - 8/1/2015 3:15:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		You did a great job demonstrating my point about the conservative desire to break education, but you haven't shown off your hatred of knowledge. So would you mind ranting about some broad swaths of science you reject and maybe try and discredit science in general a bit? Thanks!

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RE: Religious Rights Not "Good Enough" to Ref... - 8/1/2015 4:46:37 PM   
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Well, I can't speak for your education, but I studied music, literature, philosophy, economics, history, humanities, and went on to work as a performer, then in the music wholesale business, then writer, business management, finance, consultant, professor, author, business owner.

Not so much the rest of your list. But maybe that's just my experience.

[Its] relevance being tangential I am sure but suffice it to say that we are happy for you in that you have enjoyed living and being educated in a country that has enjoyed being able to borrow for its civil, political and military sustenance and has leveraged that to create a labor force (the only real wealth) that enjoys the world's confidence to continue that lending. ($60-$70 trillion total debt, public and private and counting, i.e., adding on in just unfunded liabilities, $7-$8 million/MINUTE)

But I as for that small 'l' liberal education, stand by my statement, [it's]...either art or merely conversation.

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RE: Religious Rights Not "Good Enough" to Ref... - 8/1/2015 11:37:01 PM   
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You did a great job demonstrating my point about the conservative desire to break education, but you haven't shown off your hatred of knowledge. So would you mind ranting about some broad swaths of science you reject and maybe try and discredit science in general a bit? Thanks!

I have no hatred of knowledge. My personal library illustrates that. As for science, my professional library illustrates no such rejection of science. However, unlike some folks, I don't blindly accept what science has to say. I tend to believe what is stated here:

No group of believers has more reason to be sure of its own good sense than today’s professional scientists. There is, or should be, no mystery about why it is always more rational to believe in science than in anything else, because this is true merely by definition. What makes a method of enquiry count as scientific is not that it employs microscopes, rats, computers or people in stained white coats, but that it seeks to test itself at every turn. If a method is as rigorous and cautious as it can be, it counts as good science; if it isn’t, it doesn’t. Yet this fact sets a puzzle. If science is careful scepticism writ large, shouldn’t a scientific cast of mind require one to be sceptical of science itself?

There is no full-blown logical paradox here. If a claim is ambitious, people should indeed tread warily around it, even if it comes from scientists; it does not follow that they should be sceptical of the scientific method itself. But there is an awkward public-relations challenge for any champion of hard-nosed science. When scientists confront the deniers of evolution, or the devotees of homeopathic medicine, or people who believe that childhood vaccinations cause autism—all of whom are as demonstrably mistaken as anyone can be—they understandably fight shy of revealing just how riddled with error and misleading information the everyday business of science actually is. When you paint yourself as a defender of the truth, it helps to keep quiet about how often you are wrong.

That fact partly explains why some influential climate scientists today, and the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, are having a hard time. Wary of yielding any ground to those who think that global warming is some sort of hoax, they have sometimes been mightily unwilling to be open about exaggerations, mistakes and confusions in influential reports about climate change—such as the flawed “Hockey Stick” paper, published in Nature in 1998, which estimated global temperatures over the past 600 years, and has become one of the most cited publications on the topic. This defensiveness has backfired, and the credibility of climatologists has suffered.

http://moreintelligentlife.com/content/ideas/anthony-gottlieb/limits-science

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RE: Religious Rights Not "Good Enough" to Ref... - 8/2/2015 4:21:44 PM   
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RE: Religious Rights Not "Good Enough" to Ref... - 8/2/2015 6:31:34 PM   
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I was raised a Christian but had the added benefit to receive a liberal education that included comparative religion. While I would never claim to expertise in the Christian faith let alone any other, it occurs to me that for a Muslim to cut the hair of a woman he does not know does not require him to touch her at all if he were to wear disposable gloves. Thus his faith would not be insulted and the infidel's hair could be disposed of with the gloves. Of course if he were fastidious about it he could wear a full protective suit with breathing apparatus - think of the surcharge!!!


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RE: Religious Rights Not "Good Enough" to Ref... - 8/2/2015 7:16:41 PM   
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I was raised a Christian but had the added benefit to receive a liberal education that included comparative religion. While I would never claim to expertise in the Christian faith let alone any other, it occurs to me that for a Muslim to cut the hair of a woman he does not know does not require him to touch her at all if he were to wear disposable gloves. Thus his faith would not be insulted and the infidel's hair could be disposed of with the gloves. Of course if he were fastidious about it he could wear a full protective suit with breathing apparatus - think of the surcharge!!!

So if he uses a condom it isn't adultery? It is totally plausible that they would view that as just as viable an argument.
He
A Might not have had the gloves.
B Was thinking about how to follow his religion, not subvert it.

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RE: Religious Rights Not "Good Enough" to Ref... - 8/3/2015 5:20:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		just a quick aside about creationism (unfortunately sometimes I see posts from vile comrades who id rather not be interacting with and who have little to contribute but vehemence)

if one of the aspects of science is to understand and explain the natural world, and one of those sub-aspects is origins, and you are a devout atheist, then you are relegated to explaining things independent of god, by natural causes.

if however, you start with the premise that god exists and created the world, then the study of the natural world is consistent with his having created it.

the major difference between the two is one of evolution and billions of years, or god's creation and a relatively young earth. in some cases, people can examine data and be lead one way or the other, but in most cases, the premise already exists before starting.

apart from those incompatible starting points, creation scientists are just as educated, experienced, accomplished and expert in their various fields of geology, astronomy, biology, etc, as their atheistic counterparts, as well as employing, more or less, the same methods and procedural rigor.

(never mind that a great number of the fathers, pioneers and innovators of science were Christians, or theists, and understood that if god exists, then science can help to reveal him.)

that said---there is not one thing a macro evolutionist can say that they know (and can show) to be the truth (the moving goalposts are amazing). unfortunately, that its a faith system is lost in all the anti-god animosity and evolution is all too often taught as fact.

to mock creationism is really just another way to say "god doesn't exist"---which is part and parcel of the comrades' worldview.



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