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Family accuses Fairfield police of brutalitiy - 8/2/2015 12:01:08 PM   
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Family accuses Fairfield police of brutality



That day at the pool, Krystal Dixon, 33, took her children and some nieces and nephews to the pool, as they had done for many years. Dixon left and the kids, a total of eight, started swimming.

It was at that point that pool employees stopped one of Dixon’s nephews, saying he did not have proper attire on. Signs posted at the pool state that swimmers must wear proper swim attire. The nephew and Dixon’s daughter called Dixon and informed her they were told to leave. Krystal told the kids she was coming back and had the nephew’s swim trunks with her.

Hilton said it was only the nephew that did not have swimming attire; the other kids did.

When Dixon, who is pregnant, returned to the pool, the kids were “off the property” as had been demanded. Dixon went into the Aquatic Center to find out what was happening. She was told the nephew did not have proper attire, but got in the pool anyway.

“Krystal looks at the young man, and there is not a drop of water on him,” Hilton said. It’s at this point that someone began recording video.

Dixon asked pool staff if she could have her money back and was told no. As she walked toward the pool area to get the kids, an officer attempted to grab Dixon and ask what she was doing. Fairfield police said one of the city’s park rangers was on site at the time. That ranger had handcuffs.

On the video, one of the kids asked, “What are you going to do with that?” The ranger responds, “I’m going to arrest you for not leaving.”

As Dixon was heading back out, a police officer asked her for an ID. Dixon said she didn’t have one, because she was wearing swimming attire. The officer grabbed Dixon by the arm, and that’s when the incident escalated, Hilton said. Multiple officers responded to the scene.

Hilton said a police officer grabbed the 12-year-old female “by the neck, slam her up against a police car, and this young lady, 12 years old, sustained multiple injuries,” Hilton said, though he would not specify what those injuries were.

Dixon told our news partner’s WCPO 9 On Your Side that her daughter sustained a broken jaw and three broken ribs.

Hilton said the video “clearly” shows the 12-year-old not assaulting an officer.


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The Dixons are expected to answer to the charges in Fairfield Municipal Court Wednesday. One of their attorneys is Clyde Bennett, who represented controversial Hamilton County Juvenile Court Judge Tracie Hunter.

After investigating the case and looking a the video, Bennett said Tuesday it is “crystal clear Ms. Dixion did nothing wrong.”


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Bennett added: “If you don’t do anything illegal, and you don’t do anything wrong, then police do not have the right to arrest you. So if the police try to arrest you and that arrest is an unlawful arrest, you can resist actually.”



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A 15-year-old girl was pepper sprayed while filming the incident at the Fairfield Aquatic Center on June 9, and later received treatment at a local hospital.








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RE: Family accuses Fairfield police of brutalitiy - 8/2/2015 3:05:10 PM   
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I would charge them in addition with unprovoked assault on a minor.
Family accuses Fairfield police of brutality
That day at the pool, Krystal Dixon, 33, took her children and some nieces and nephews to the pool, as they had done for many years. Dixon left and the kids, a total of eight, started swimming.
It was at that point that pool employees stopped one of Dixon’s nephews, saying he did not have proper attire on. Signs posted at the pool state that swimmers must wear proper swim attire. The nephew and Dixon’s daughter called Dixon and informed her they were told to leave. Krystal told the kids she was coming back and had the nephew’s swim trunks with her.
Hilton said it was only the nephew that did not have swimming attire; the other kids did.
When Dixon, who is pregnant, returned to the pool, the kids were “off the property” as had been demanded. Dixon went into the Aquatic Center to find out what was happening. She was told the nephew did not have proper attire, but got in the pool anyway.
“Krystal looks at the young man, and there is not a drop of water on him,” Hilton said. It’s at this point that someone began recording video.
Dixon asked pool staff if she could have her money back and was told no. As she walked toward the pool area to get the kids, an officer attempted to grab Dixon and ask what she was doing. Fairfield police said one of the city’s park rangers was on site at the time. That ranger had handcuffs.
On the video, one of the kids asked, “What are you going to do with that?” The ranger responds, “I’m going to arrest you for not leaving.”
As Dixon was heading back out, a police officer asked her for an ID. Dixon said she didn’t have one, because she was wearing swimming attire. The officer grabbed Dixon by the arm, and that’s when the incident escalated, Hilton said. Multiple officers responded to the scene.
Hilton said a police officer grabbed the 12-year-old female “by the neck, slam her up against a police car, and this young lady, 12 years old, sustained multiple injuries,” Hilton said, though he would not specify what those injuries were.
Dixon told our news partner’s WCPO 9 On Your Side that her daughter sustained a broken jaw and three broken ribs.
Hilton said the video “clearly” shows the 12-year-old not assaulting an officer.
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The Dixons are expected to answer to the charges in Fairfield Municipal Court Wednesday. One of their attorneys is Clyde Bennett, who represented controversial Hamilton County Juvenile Court Judge Tracie Hunter.
After investigating the case and looking a the video, Bennett said Tuesday it is “crystal clear Ms. Dixion did nothing wrong.”
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Bennett added: “If you don’t do anything illegal, and you don’t do anything wrong, then police do not have the right to arrest you. So if the police try to arrest you and that arrest is an unlawful arrest, you can resist actually.”
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A 15-year-old girl was pepper sprayed while filming the incident at the Fairfield Aquatic Center on June 9, and later received treatment at a local hospital.


Good Lord, WTF is going on anymore?!? Who called the cops, and why? What were the cops told the situation was? It seems quite over-the-top to me. They're kids, for Christ's sake!


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RE: Family accuses Fairfield police of brutalitiy - 8/2/2015 3:19:08 PM   
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I would charge them in addition with unprovoked assault on a minor.
Family accuses Fairfield police of brutality
That day at the pool, Krystal Dixon, 33, took her children and some nieces and nephews to the pool, as they had done for many years. Dixon left and the kids, a total of eight, started swimming.
It was at that point that pool employees stopped one of Dixon’s nephews, saying he did not have proper attire on. Signs posted at the pool state that swimmers must wear proper swim attire. The nephew and Dixon’s daughter called Dixon and informed her they were told to leave. Krystal told the kids she was coming back and had the nephew’s swim trunks with her.
Hilton said it was only the nephew that did not have swimming attire; the other kids did.
When Dixon, who is pregnant, returned to the pool, the kids were “off the property” as had been demanded. Dixon went into the Aquatic Center to find out what was happening. She was told the nephew did not have proper attire, but got in the pool anyway.
“Krystal looks at the young man, and there is not a drop of water on him,” Hilton said. It’s at this point that someone began recording video.
Dixon asked pool staff if she could have her money back and was told no. As she walked toward the pool area to get the kids, an officer attempted to grab Dixon and ask what she was doing. Fairfield police said one of the city’s park rangers was on site at the time. That ranger had handcuffs.
On the video, one of the kids asked, “What are you going to do with that?” The ranger responds, “I’m going to arrest you for not leaving.”
As Dixon was heading back out, a police officer asked her for an ID. Dixon said she didn’t have one, because she was wearing swimming attire. The officer grabbed Dixon by the arm, and that’s when the incident escalated, Hilton said. Multiple officers responded to the scene.
Hilton said a police officer grabbed the 12-year-old female “by the neck, slam her up against a police car, and this young lady, 12 years old, sustained multiple injuries,” Hilton said, though he would not specify what those injuries were.
Dixon told our news partner’s WCPO 9 On Your Side that her daughter sustained a broken jaw and three broken ribs.
Hilton said the video “clearly” shows the 12-year-old not assaulting an officer.
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The Dixons are expected to answer to the charges in Fairfield Municipal Court Wednesday. One of their attorneys is Clyde Bennett, who represented controversial Hamilton County Juvenile Court Judge Tracie Hunter.
After investigating the case and looking a the video, Bennett said Tuesday it is “crystal clear Ms. Dixion did nothing wrong.”
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Bennett added: “If you don’t do anything illegal, and you don’t do anything wrong, then police do not have the right to arrest you. So if the police try to arrest you and that arrest is an unlawful arrest, you can resist actually.”
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A 15-year-old girl was pepper sprayed while filming the incident at the Fairfield Aquatic Center on June 9, and later received treatment at a local hospital.


Good Lord, WTF is going on anymore?!? Who called the cops, and why? What were the cops told the situation was? It seems quite over-the-top to me. They're kids, for Christ's sake!


Something is missing, obviously I don't know what, but this just doesn't fit together.

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RE: Family accuses Fairfield police of brutalitiy - 8/2/2015 3:59:16 PM   
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RE: Family accuses Fairfield police of brutalitiy - 8/2/2015 4:22:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		There ALOT of problems with this one. But I don't see the outcome in the favor of the Dixon or her family.

First, what happened to start all of this?

A ) Mrs Dixon left her kids along with nephews and nieces at a pool.

B ) One of the kids is 'kicked out' for not having proper swimming attire.

C ) Mrs Dixon demands a refund.

D ) "Two adults and two children were arrested that day on charges of disorderly conduct and resisting arrest ater a large fight at the city-run pool on Augusta Boulevard. The individuals arrested refused to leave the premises after one youth was asked to leave because he was not wearing the proper swimming attire, according to police. Fairfield police contend officers did nothing wrong." (your source RealOne)

E ) "The incident is the latest of several across the nation that have called into question the conduct of officers towards African-Americans." (your source RealOne)

F) Fairfield police said one of the city’s park rangers was on site at the time. That ranger had handcuffs. (your source RealOne)

G ) "On the video, one of the kids asked, “What are you going to do with that?” The ranger responds, “I’m going to arrest you for not leaving.”" (your source RealOne)

H ) "...an officer is seen pulling a young girl away from the crowd with his arm around her neck and arm as he puts her against a vehicle and pulls her arms behind her back." (your source RealOne)

I ) "Another male officer is seen using pepper spray on a young girl who is clinging desperately to an iron gate as a female officer grabs her around the neck in an attempt to dislodge her." (your source RealOne)

J ) "When Dixon, who is pregnant...". (your source RealOne)

K ) There is another video on RealOne's source down the page and on the left side (at least that is where I found it). It shows events shortly after the first featured video (guessing a minute or two after0. This is of the girl (teenager) that got pepper sprayed. She stays something odd: the police punch her daughter (@ 0:12).

L ) Same video as K above, one of the persons (non police officers) is her stating "We got rights". At about 1:36 in the video.


Problem or Issue:

A ) Violation of pool rules: "Parents/guardians must directly supervise children in their care." That Dixon drove off rather than staying there started the course of problems (and thus, is at fault). SOURCE

B ) The Attire regulations are posted on the front. Yes, I'm sure Mrs. Dixon was busy that day; unfortunately the responsibility that all those kids have proper attire is ALSO up to her. (source used is the same for A, but found under 'Attire').

C ) Failure to understand the pool rules....AGAIN: "All sales are final. No cash refunds will be given for admission." (source is the same from A)

Since they went inside, that implies they PAID to go in; therefore, there is no cash refunds. If Mrs Dixon was calm and reasonable to the manager, this whole event could have been averted. The manager, given the situation could have made an exception to the rule and given a refund. Mrs. Dixon behave like a moron and that didnt come around.

D ) So the kids were immature and got angry at the situation. So resorted to fighting. Because we all know....THAT....will always have positive results right? Seems the police charged them correctly. That the children behaved poorly with police seems like a failure of the parents to teach better skills to their off spring when dealing with police officers.

E ) Can you say "Let's throw the Race Card for Added Effect'? Seems the 'journalist' needs to report more of the facts and less of the 'I hate the police' political mantra.....

F ) Why is it significant that we, the public need to know, this one park ranger had handcuffs? Again, this is not good journalism but pushing a political statement.

G ) Generally when a police officer arrests someone in a peaceful situation, they will ask the person several times before the action takes place. If a police officer asks you to leave, that's your first warning. When the officer asks a second time, that's your second warning. When the officer....TELLS YOU...to leave, that's your final warning. Guess the kid wasn't understanding the course of things. That officer most likely gave more than just three warnings in a polite way.

H ) Looks like the correct way of dealing with someone in as safe a manner as possible when a firm restraint of the arm is not possible/feasible. After the officer placed her against the cruiser, what did he say to her? "Calm down". Funny how that didn't make it into the 'journalist viewpoint' eh?

I ) The video does not really serve to show the chain of events, nor a clear audio of commands being given. Yes, the girl is freaking out and behaving like an animal rather than an adult; go figure given the situation is very tense, panic, and uncertain. The female officer is not using a 'choke hold' lock on the girl's throat, but merely holding her neck at the shoulder level. Yes, the 'journalist' was 'happy' to state one fantasy but not report on the facts. The girl may not have a legal cause if the prosecution can prove she was resisting arrest. Since an officer is stating for her to let go of the gates, does not help her case!

J ) How pregnant is she? What does her being pregnant have to do with this case or issue? Again, this 'journalist' is pushing this piece for a 'political attack' on the police. Because it doesn't look good when police are attacking or dealing with pregnant women harshly, right? Helps rile up the public too, doesn't it?

K ) The 'journalist' fails to define the age ranges of the kids. Its one thing if a bunch of young pre-teens are being ejected from the pool. Its quite another if they are older teenagers (17 years old) and young adult. If the one that got pepper sprayed has a daughter; how old is the daughter? Opens a whole can of worms, doesn't it?

L ) The majority of Americans do not know what their rights are or aren't. They dont know where they begin or end. Nor nothing in between. I asked this forum a while ago to define the five parts of the 1st amendment. Only one person out of the twenty regulars got more than one answer correct. Now try to do that while in a tense situation. It will not happen. Now try it during a police encounter while your body has adrenaline pumping throughout your system, and the officers are trained to control their bodies in the same tense encounter. Good thing that judges understand this and tend to be lenient in many cases.

All in all....

The 'journalist' does a disservice to everyone involved. Are the police at fault? The evidence looks like the police behaved professionally given circumstances (rough as it may look). Mrs. Dixon made a series of failures that would produce the string of events. If I was to place blame, that is where I would start.

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RE: Family accuses Fairfield police of brutalitiy - 8/2/2015 4:26:29 PM   
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Good Lord, WTF is going on anymore?!? Who called the cops, and why? What were the cops told the situation was? It seems quite over-the-top to me. They're kids, for Christ's sake!


If I had to guess, it would be the people at the water park. Sensing that things were pushing out of control. they contacted the police about a possible riot. But that's just a guess given behaviors in situations like this.

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RE: Family accuses Fairfield police of brutalitiy - 8/2/2015 4:31:40 PM   
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Something is missing, obviously I don't know what, but this just doesn't fit together.


Its nice to know I wasn't the only one that thought this was all confusing. RealOne's quote starts like midway down the article's dialogue. Your introduced to someone name 'Hilton' but RealOne's post doesn't explain who "Hilton" is exactly. The article explains it better.

Trying to figure out the logic chain of events helped in my thinking. After that, I simply broke down the questions and searched for each answer. Before long, I was making a list and hence my post.

Initially it was hard to understand 'whose at fault for what and why'. The 'journalist' did a poor job of explaining the facts while inputting things that are not relevant.

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RE: Family accuses Fairfield police of brutalitiy - 8/2/2015 4:38:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		so then instead of telling the kids to stand by for a moment until their mother get back and NICELY explaining the rules to them, you know telling them the lifegaurds will get in big trouble if they let them swim before she gets back and then simply and easily having one of the kids take the kid with no trunks into a changing area, nope instead they call in swat the national guard texas rangers and escalate this into moronic abject stupidity against children and worse attack a 15 year old in the process for filming it.

I dont know joe, not sure how you can add that up with out disgust.

That said the woman was aware of the problem and trying to fix it amicably had the gubmint run pool acted like adults.



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RE: Family accuses Fairfield police of brutalitiy - 8/2/2015 4:50:18 PM   
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Good Lord, WTF is going on anymore?!? Who called the cops, and why? What were the cops told the situation was? It seems quite over-the-top to me. They're kids, for Christ's sake!



they were asked to get off the property because the mother left them there unattended and one kid did not have swimming trunks. the mother was on her way back with trunks, by the time she got back the kids were forcibly removed from the property, the mother demanded her money back since her kids did not get to use the pool, they refused and the shit hit the fan.

its has many twists, the kid they claimed was swimming without his trunks was dry, not a drop of water on him.

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Hilton said a police officer grabbed the 12-year-old female “by the neck, slam her up against a police car, and this young lady, 12 years old, sustained multiple injuries,” Hilton said, though he would not specify what those injuries were.

Fairfield Police Chief Mike Dickey has watched the videos shown at the press conference Tuesday, and he said the videos support his contention that the officers did nothing wrong.

“I think those videos only reinforce the statements we made earlier. Our officers were in a difficult situation, and they handled it with restraint,” he said.

Dixon told our news partner’s WCPO 9 On Your Side that her daughter sustained a broken jaw and three broken ribs.

Hilton said the video “clearly” shows the 12-year-old not assaulting an officer.

The Dixons are expected to answer to the charges in Fairfield Municipal Court Wednesday. One of their attorneys is Clyde Bennett, who represented controversial Hamilton County Juvenile Court Judge Tracie Hunter.

After investigating the case and looking a the video, Bennett said Tuesday it is “crystal clear Ms. Dixion did nothing wrong.”




they just make shit up and charge people with it, exactly like eddie craig points out.




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RE: Family accuses Fairfield police of brutalitiy - 8/2/2015 6:02:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Right now I go to a Y and if you are a kid you cant even get into any area without being accompanied by someone 18+.. if you are a kid without an adult you are asked to leave.. I question why she left the kids there on their own.. really, how many pools will take responsibility for the safety of your kids? none that i know of.. In fact, the Y i go to has you sign a legal thingie that says they arent responsible for any accidents etc at their facility.. I would never leave 8 children at a pool by themselves..

As far as the rest of it goes.. there are a lot of other questions.. and that is before the cops even became involved..

Having seen a variety of parenting when i have been at the Y, I just shake my head at some of the parents.. so many are too damn busy on their cell phones texting etc to pay much attention to their screaming brats that run wild.. its no wonder that some of these kids just ignore their lazy parents who wont even get off their cells or arses to ensure the kid listens and obeys them.. And everyday there is someone at the Y complaining/arguing about owing money cuz they didnt follow the rule about giving 10 days written notice of ending a previous membership there.. So it really depends on how this woman handled asking for her money back.. and who was the 2nd adult that was arrested?

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RE: Family accuses Fairfield police of brutalitiy - 8/2/2015 6:30:20 PM   
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What the fuck is the matter with people who behave like this?

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RE: Family accuses Fairfield police of brutalitiy - 8/2/2015 8:05:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hmmm, sounds like an out of control screaming match with cops trying to get everyone under control. Too bad the screaming and shoving continued until they had to use handcuffs and pepper spray to stop the crazy tantrums.

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RE: Family accuses Fairfield police of brutalitiy - 8/2/2015 9:23:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		I seen one person swat the cop, they said it was the other mother. I also seen the kids holding the cop to interfere with the handcuffing. So the one mother did assault the officer and join the others in preventing him from making the arrest(s).

All because no one was reasonable, and no one de-escalated the situation to allow the mom to amicably resolve the matter by getting the kid's swimming trunks.

That does do a wonderful job of demonstrating how the news can paint an entirely false picture with snippets and carefully chosen statements. pretty slick saying the childrens 'behavior".

That is a good question why do people act like that?

another nice find!





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RE: Family accuses Fairfield police of brutalitiy - 8/2/2015 9:34:53 PM   
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Right now I go to a Y and if you are a kid you cant even get into any area without being accompanied by someone 18+.. if you are a kid without an adult you are asked to leave.. I question why she left the kids there on their own.. really, how many pools will take responsibility for the safety of your kids? none that i know of.. In fact, the Y i go to has you sign a legal thingie that says they arent responsible for any accidents etc at their facility.. I would never leave 8 children at a pool by themselves..

As far as the rest of it goes.. there are a lot of other questions.. and that is before the cops even became involved..

Having seen a variety of parenting when i have been at the Y, I just shake my head at some of the parents.. so many are too damn busy on their cell phones texting etc to pay much attention to their screaming brats that run wild.. its no wonder that some of these kids just ignore their lazy parents who wont even get off their cells or arses to ensure the kid listens and obeys them.. And everyday there is someone at the Y complaining/arguing about owing money cuz they didnt follow the rule about giving 10 days written notice of ending a previous membership there.. So it really depends on how this woman handled asking for her money back.. and who was the 2nd adult that was arrested?



not sure. I posted her attorneys statements with regard to her and the kid getting pretty badly busted up. if there was another woman in the group then the kids would be considered supervised when dixon left to get the swimming trunks. In the article there is no mention of any wrong doing aside from the naked kid who was claimed to be swimming but was still dry. I believe that is what triggered this whole thing in the first place. If they simply said get the hell out no refunf FU thats it, then I could certainly understand why people would be pissed after paying for 8 kids from one family to go swimming. As I said earlier there would have been many ways to make everyone happy, but as usual rambo to the rescue.

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RE: Family accuses Fairfield police of brutalitiy - 8/3/2015 9:58:41 AM   
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so then instead of telling the kids to stand by for a moment until their mother get back and NICELY explaining the rules to them, you know telling them the lifegaurds will get in big trouble if they let them swim before she gets back and then simply and easily having one of the kids take the kid with no trunks into a changing area, nope instead they call in swat the national guard texas rangers and escalate this into moronic abject stupidity against children and worse attack a 15 year old in the process for filming it.


The rules are posted on the front of the building. The reason the rules are there, is so the public is made aware of them....BEFORE....they enter the park. Yes, there are thinks the park stuff could have done better. Just as there are things the kids and the mother could have done better as well. Unfortunately we have to deal with the problems first and educate second.

They didn't call in the SWAT, nor the Texas Rangers (lack of jurisdiction). The National Guard can not handle policing actions. The 15 year old was not 'attacked'. She was resisting obeying directions given to her by law enforcement.

All this because the mother did not read the posted rules and understand them. That is why the rules are posted. To help keep stuff like this from happening.

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I dont know joe, not sure how you can add that up with out disgust.


What is their to be disgusted at? A bunch of teenagers in high school whom cant follow simple directions? A mother that can give everyone swim wear BEFORE going to the park? Not understanding the posted rules that are in English?

That you dislike law enforcement and the government, is not an acceptable choose for being disgusted. They were called in to handle a situation before it became violent or dangerous. They did their job from the looks of it.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
That said the woman was aware of the problem and trying to fix it amicably had the gubmint run pool acted like adults.


I'm guessing she lost her 'cool' at some point and escalated matters. The teenagers left the premises after being told to leave. That is when the mother should have taken the kids and gone home. After not getting a refund, she visits the local government office and talks to someone in city government. Explaining the situation and asking for a refund. If she did not get satisfaction, she could take the government to court.

There is a process, and she didn't follow it. You want to blame the government for this lady's actions? Go for it! But I'll be one to point your argument is full of errors and logical errors of judgement.

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RE: Family accuses Fairfield police of brutalitiy - 8/3/2015 10:04:33 AM   
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its has many twists, the kid they claimed was swimming without his trunks was dry, not a drop of water on him.


On the date it question it was 85 degrees with high humidity. Things tend to dry quickly in hot weather. Just saying....

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they just make shit up and charge people with it, exactly like eddie craig points out.


No, they are not "...making shit up and charge people with it....". There are laws, and those people broke them. Now they will see a judge in a court of law to determine which charges will go to a criminal court case. If the police "made shit up" it would be the judge whom throws the matter out. That you do not understand how government operates, laws are made, or how a court system operates, show your lack of knowledge.

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RE: Family accuses Fairfield police of brutalitiy - 8/3/2015 10:33:58 AM   
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RE: Family accuses Fairfield police of brutalitiy - 8/3/2015 10:50:32 AM   
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Bennett added: “If you don’t do anything illegal, and you don’t do anything wrong, then police do not have the right to arrest you. So if the police try to arrest you and that arrest is an unlawful arrest, you can resist actually.”


This is absolutely wrong...as usual. The courts position on this issue is as below

" a person may not resist an unlawful arrest where the officer does not use unlawful force"

So if you resist arrest of an officer who is not using unlawful force...then you open the possibility of force. Otherwise you must submit to arrest... you do not have the right to determine yourself what is lawful and what is not...and if you resist with force they can in return by law even if the initial arrest was unlawful.


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RE: Family accuses Fairfield police of brutalitiy - 8/3/2015 1:02:45 PM   
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Good Lord, WTF is going on anymore?!? Who called the cops, and why? What were the cops told the situation was? It seems quite over-the-top to me. They're kids, for Christ's sake!


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What the fuck is the matter with people who behave like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qf8_E-30gc
K.


Good Lord. There we have the answer. WTF is wrong with people these days?!?

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RE: Family accuses Fairfield police of brutalitiy - 8/3/2015 1:03:10 PM   
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" a person may not resist an unlawful arrest where the officer does not use unlawful force"


Butch


Surely not?

In England, it is the other way 'round. You may resist unlawful arrest providing you (not the officer) do not use excessive force in resisting, and where arrested without reasonable cause you will have a claim for false imprisonment and/or assault.

It's been a common complaint of our police force. Sometimes they're convinced they have their man, but they can't arrest someone and detain them without reasonable cause - unlike say the French police who have more power to take people off the streets.

Given the history of the United States, I would have thought police protocol would be closer to the English model than the French model.

So what happens? People are carted off for no good reason and then you have to prove your innocence?

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