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I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here....
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/4/huntington-park-appoints-two-illegal-immigrants-as/
Where exactly is the evidence that either one is an illegal immigrant?
Oh forgot, they are non-white and their last names are non-English, that just automatically means their illegal, right?
As it seems any of the dozen conservative 'news' sites are reporting the same thing (some even verbatim). Yet none of them show evidence. That none of the liberal nor moderate sites are showing the story means one of two things: 1 ) They are vetting the information for accuracy, 2 ) They already know the issue is bullshit.
If either was here illegally, why hasn't the government (i.e. law enforcement) carted them off to the local jail by now? Because that does happen in situations in which someone's legal status is questionable at best. They transport them to the local police station until all the details can be found and checked.
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
Is it exploitation since they aren't paid?
Is it exploitation for corporations to treat non-paid interns like indentured servants?
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
Is it good because there are illegals in the city?
There are people that speed to and from work each day. Frequently breaking many traffic laws (i.e. speed limits). Most of them hold positions in the public and private sectors. Some in positions of great power and responsibility.
Why are we placing more emphasis on one type of law breakers, but not others that are more common in society?
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
Is it bad because they don't have representation of every subcultural entity (race, creed, etc) represented as commissionars?
It's "taxation without representation!"
That's right, illegal immigrants get taxed just like the rest of us. If we pay a tax on something (i.e. gas, food, cloths, etc), the illegal immigrant pays the tax as well. Or is there a secret illegal immigrant discount they get so they dont pay those taxes? There is a portion of the illegal immigrant population that pays federal income taxes as well (voluntarily).
Hateful people will often use what ever shadow they can to hide their bigotry while being abusive towards their target. It was done to just about every minority group: Germans, Italians, Irish, Chinese, Cambodians, Polish, Mexicans, etc. Or are you arguing there is no discrimination in America, given everything that has happened in recent times?
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
Is it good because of diversity?
Having a wide selection of knowledge bases can help in handing the many difficult and complications problems that could arise from poorly defined laws or regulations. We can sit here and argument about those 'evil illegal immigrants' like little children, or we could be adults. Being an adult means we deal with the lousy immigration laws that are well past the time to update/reform them. Without a huge violation of laws being broken, or massive taxpayer moneys used in the many 'block cleansing'; the illegal immigrant population is here to stay. Since we are not likely to see an immigrant law put into place by Congress, perhaps we should deal with the illegal immigrant population not as monsters, but, fellow humans.
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
I think it is bad and sends the wrong message. If they were here legally then I have other opinions. I don't see citizenship as necessarily a requirement, but if they are here in violation of the law, then why don't they just appoint murderers, rapists, thieves, etc as well (not saying these guys are)
In order for them to be in violation of the law, they have to be...ACCUSED....of violation of the law. That implies a court case. Until they are found guilty (by judge or jury), they are an innocent person living in the United States of America.
A few months ago, forty-six Republican Senators signed a latter by Sen. Cotton addressed to the Iranians. The manner in which this was done, could be a violation of the law. So here we have these individuals not only living in America, but deciding OUR FATES, whom have 'broken the law' to use your 'logic'. What are you and other conservatives doing about it? What measure of force and law are you using towards these forty-seven individuals? Is it the same anger and hatred as you rail against illegal immigrants?
Of course not. If those illegal immigrants were to become US Citizens, and most of them would likely vote Republican, would the GOP/TP be as forceful in placing draconian measures on immigration laws? Go ahead, dare you to say 'yes'. The reason they are draconian towards immigration is directly tied to the belief that those individuals would vote Democrat. Given their population numbers, that could turn some Red states Purple or even....BLUE. So the motivation of the GOP/TP is not to hard to understand.
I thought this was a free nation. Where we wanted people to live free. Not to be terrorized. Nor threaten. Nor beaten down. A place that all persons, not just those born there, can come and be among like-minded individuals to enjoy "...Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness".
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