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RE: Why Does Obama Go To This Man For Advice? - 8/6/2015 10:35:23 AM   
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Looks like someone followed his advice last night as another cop was murdered.

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RE: Why Does Obama Go To This Man For Advice? - 8/6/2015 11:20:17 AM   
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Then he should stop throwing gasoline (petrol) on the fire.



Me, in his position, my instinct would be to get the most firebrand of each side together, in the White House. Get them to argue their bollocks off with each other. Get it all out. And then hammer out an agreement whereby they all agree to ratchet *down* the friction, for the sake of easy race-relations. He needs to mix up the Farrakhans with with redneck southern-state bullet-heads.

As President I think you pretty much have to rise above the standard right wing / left wing griefs, as best you can. It's your job, basically. Obama's not a dimwit. I'm sure he'll realise that.

So many problems with this post.
A Obama always assumes the whites are wrong
B Obama always assumes the police are wrong
C Radicals on both sides want to increase the level of racial tension so that would simply give both a platform to spread their hate
D Only reasonable people can ease tensions and you want to give the floor to the haters
E Of course Obama can see this, the question is does he really want to ease tension. The more tension, the more black votes Dems get.


A. That's not even remotely true. Only the heir to the kingdom of idiots would arrive at this notion given all the evidence against it.
B . See the previous answer....
C. Radicals on the right want to increase tensions towards all minority groups. Those on the left are kept under a short leash and muzzle. Your side doesn't do a good job because you do not keep your radicals locked up and gagged!
Which of those radicals do you keep tied up and gagged? Bernie Sanders? Louis Farrakhan? Ward Churchill? The Reverend Al? The Reverend Jeremiah Wright?
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D. Which political side do the following haters seem to vote:
1. The Klan?
2. Neo Nazi?
3. Militia Man Movement?
4. Soveriegn Citizens?
5. Birthers?
6. Truthers?
7. 'Low Information Voters'
8. FOX 'news' watchers

Which political side do the following haters seem to vote?

1. The New Black Panther Party?

2. The Nation of Islam?

3. ACORN?

4. Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism?

5. Movement for Democratic Society?

6. Low Information Voters?

7. MSNBC viewers?

8. Al Jazeera viewers?
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As none of these groups of people seem to be voting Democrat, nor voted for Obama in either election. They all voted Republican and Tea Party. Your 'side' of the political spectrum seems to have the monopoly on hatred, intolerance, and fear. Or are you going to argue that FOX 'news', The Drudge Report, and Stormfront put everything into politically-neutral grounds for information purposes?
Our side has the monopoly on hatred? Have you listened to Bernie Sanders? And by the way, Joe...your side sees anything said outside of your sides views as "hatred, intolerance and fear". We get angry over illegal aliens? We hate Latinos. We think that Affirmative Action should be used as it was intended...to level the playing field, not give preferential treatment? We're racists. And on and on.
Are you going to argue that MSNBC, the late UN-lamented Air America, the Anti-Drudge Report put everything into politically-neutral terms?




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RE: Why Does Obama Go To This Man For Advice? - 8/6/2015 12:18:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: joether


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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Then he should stop throwing gasoline (petrol) on the fire.



Me, in his position, my instinct would be to get the most firebrand of each side together, in the White House. Get them to argue their bollocks off with each other. Get it all out. And then hammer out an agreement whereby they all agree to ratchet *down* the friction, for the sake of easy race-relations. He needs to mix up the Farrakhans with with redneck southern-state bullet-heads.

As President I think you pretty much have to rise above the standard right wing / left wing griefs, as best you can. It's your job, basically. Obama's not a dimwit. I'm sure he'll realise that.

So many problems with this post.
A Obama always assumes the whites are wrong
B Obama always assumes the police are wrong
C Radicals on both sides want to increase the level of racial tension so that would simply give both a platform to spread their hate
D Only reasonable people can ease tensions and you want to give the floor to the haters
E Of course Obama can see this, the question is does he really want to ease tension. The more tension, the more black votes Dems get.


A. That's not even remotely true. Only the heir to the kingdom of idiots would arrive at this notion given all the evidence against it.
B . See the previous answer....
C. Radicals on the right want to increase tensions towards all minority groups. Those on the left are kept under a short leash and muzzle. Your side doesn't do a good job because you do not keep your radicals locked up and gagged!
Which of those radicals do you keep tied up and gagged? Bernie Sanders? Louis Farrakhan? Ward Churchill? The Reverend Al? The Reverend Jeremiah Wright?
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D. Which political side do the following haters seem to vote:
1. The Klan?
2. Neo Nazi?
3. Militia Man Movement?
4. Soveriegn Citizens?
5. Birthers?
6. Truthers?
7. 'Low Information Voters'
8. FOX 'news' watchers

Which political side do the following haters seem to vote?

1. The New Black Panther Party?

2. The Nation of Islam?

3. ACORN?

4. Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism?

5. Movement for Democratic Society?

6. Low Information Voters?

7. MSNBC viewers?

8. Al Jazeera viewers?
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As none of these groups of people seem to be voting Democrat, nor voted for Obama in either election. They all voted Republican and Tea Party. Your 'side' of the political spectrum seems to have the monopoly on hatred, intolerance, and fear. Or are you going to argue that FOX 'news', The Drudge Report, and Stormfront put everything into politically-neutral grounds for information purposes?
Our side has the monopoly on hatred? Have you listened to Bernie Sanders? And by the way, Joe...your side sees anything said outside of your sides views as "hatred, intolerance and fear". We get angry over illegal aliens? We hate Latinos. We think that Affirmative Action should be used as it was intended...to level the playing field, not give preferential treatment? We're racists. And on and on.
Are you going to argue that MSNBC, the late UN-lamented Air America, the Anti-Drudge Report put everything into politically-neutral terms?




You have to keep in mind that he, being a kool aid drinker, gives a pass to everyone on the left. We are haters for knowing that they are.
Keep in mind that he was so upset because I referred to haters on both sides. As long as some of us pretend there are no extremists on "our side" of the spectrum there can be no resolution.
His post assumes, among other things, that the left is monolithic with someone controlling the actions of everyone on the left. That (if it were true) is more ominous than the KKK.

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RE: Why Does Obama Go To This Man For Advice? - 8/6/2015 12:51:27 PM   
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This entire post is the kind of BS that only a left wing Kool aid drinker would post.


If that's true, where is your evidence stating so?

Doesn't look like its in the proceeding bit of text on your reply.

What you dont like is I made an argument for each argument of yours. And I have evidence. Something of which you could not counter either.

You lost against the argument and the supporting evidence of the argument. You lost the argument and can not even handle things like a mature adult. Would it have killed your ego to admit you were wrong?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Which right wing group burned Ferguson and Baltimore?


Which left wing group burned the Alfred P. Murrah building?

Which left wing group took responsibility for killing George Tiller?

Which left wing group killed Matthew Shepard?




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RE: Why Does Obama Go To This Man For Advice? - 8/6/2015 12:53:51 PM   
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I see forces of Law and Order getting disgruntled; their authority questioned, their belief in their neutrality shaken. They'll be that much more primed to see "attitude". On the other side, I see black people fuming, more and more, and seeing the flip side of such attitude in those forces of Law and Order.

Things look as though they're brewing up to a fine old explosion, to me. God knows how I'd handle it, in Obama's position: but I'll bet that he wants to, perhaps above everything else, before he checks out of the White House.


This is a case where distance distorts perspective. There's an ocean of difference between disgruntled and simply out of control and police in the U.S. have simply been out of control for a lot longer than anyone realizes. Video cameras in cell phones went very far in exposing this rampant abuse. But the refusal to file charges in the chokehold death of Eric Garner in NYC has given police everywhere nearly carte blanche to commit summary execution. Police have grossly exceeded their authority and people have had enough. But excessive violence in enforcing law is part of the final decline of a democracy to tyranny.

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RE: Why Does Obama Go To This Man For Advice? - 8/6/2015 12:59:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FelineRanger


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I see forces of Law and Order getting disgruntled; their authority questioned, their belief in their neutrality shaken. They'll be that much more primed to see "attitude". On the other side, I see black people fuming, more and more, and seeing the flip side of such attitude in those forces of Law and Order.

Things look as though they're brewing up to a fine old explosion, to me. God knows how I'd handle it, in Obama's position: but I'll bet that he wants to, perhaps above everything else, before he checks out of the White House.


This is a case where distance distorts perspective. There's an ocean of difference between disgruntled and simply out of control and police in the U.S. have simply been out of control for a lot longer than anyone realizes. Video cameras in cell phones went very far in exposing this rampant abuse. But the refusal to file charges in the chokehold death of Eric Garner in NYC has given police everywhere nearly carte blanche to commit summary execution. Police have grossly exceeded their authority and people have had enough. But excessive violence in enforcing law is part of the final decline of a democracy to tyranny.

The cops were clearly wrong in the Garner case. The only excuse I can think of is, as in so many of these cases, the DA overcharged. Don't be shocked if the Baltimore cops get off for the same reason.

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RE: Why Does Obama Go To This Man For Advice? - 8/6/2015 1:05:57 PM   
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I see forces of Law and Order getting disgruntled; their authority questioned, their belief in their neutrality shaken. They'll be that much more primed to see "attitude". On the other side, I see black people fuming, more and more, and seeing the flip side of such attitude in those forces of Law and Order.

Things look as though they're brewing up to a fine old explosion, to me. God knows how I'd handle it, in Obama's position: but I'll bet that he wants to, perhaps above everything else, before he checks out of the White House.


This is a case where distance distorts perspective. There's an ocean of difference between disgruntled and simply out of control and police in the U.S. have simply been out of control for a lot longer than anyone realizes. Video cameras in cell phones went very far in exposing this rampant abuse. But the refusal to file charges in the chokehold death of Eric Garner in NYC has given police everywhere nearly carte blanche to commit summary execution. Police have grossly exceeded their authority and people have had enough. But excessive violence in enforcing law is part of the final decline of a democracy to tyranny.


Yet the more professionally we require the police to behave. The more we pay them to deliver on a service. And make sure their training/monitoring is tightly regulated. We don't seem to have problems.

People do not demand police officer behave in a professional manner when interacting with the public. And there are people that complain about paying police officers more money. And people that complain about all the training and monitoring of police officers. Finally, there are people in our society whom are just assholes to the police.

Ever see any of those videos of jokers carrying an AR-15 down a street just to get a rise out of police officers? Then they post those videos as 'gotcha' movies to try to convince the public that all police officers are scum. Or the ones that get pulled over that are ***COUGH***sovereigncitizens***COUGH*** and try to demand the police officer justify why he can violate the Articles of Confederation. There are many of these videos online that see to diminish our police officers over all, even though a tiny minority have actually caused problems.

So we as citizens need to be informed, objective, and mature when dealing with issues with the police force local to us. Because there are jokers whom will try to convince us that placing more restraints on them, help us; when it allows those same jokers more freedoms to do evil deeds.


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RE: Why Does Obama Go To This Man For Advice? - 8/6/2015 1:12:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
This entire post is the kind of BS that only a left wing Kool aid drinker would post.


If that's true, where is your evidence stating so?

Doesn't look like its in the proceeding bit of text on your reply.

What you dont like is I made an argument for each argument of yours. And I have evidence. Something of which you could not counter either.

You lost against the argument and the supporting evidence of the argument. You lost the argument and can not even handle things like a mature adult. Would it have killed your ego to admit you were wrong?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Which right wing group burned Ferguson and Baltimore?


Which left wing group burned the Alfred P. Murrah building?

Which left wing group took responsibility for killing George Tiller?

Which left wing group killed Matthew Shepard?




Your ignorance starts with the fact that you didn't seem to comprehend that I said radicals on both sides. Since reading comprehension doesn't seem to be taught in PROM that means that there are both right wing radicals and left wing radicals, nobody has a monopoly. So, since I never made the claim that there are no right wing nut cases I don't have to prove they don't exist. You on the other hand, claiming that the right has a monopoly have the unenviable task of proving that all of the people CD listed either don't exist, or worse yet, that they are not radical. You still imply that there is a left wing central command which keeps a rein on everyone who claims any kinship with the left. In Hillary speak that would be a vast left wing conspiracy. However you try to spin out of this your post was stupid.

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RE: Why Does Obama Go To This Man For Advice? - 8/6/2015 1:34:48 PM   
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Which of those radicals do you keep tied up and gagged? Bernie Sanders? Louis Farrakhan? Ward Churchill? The Reverend Al? The Reverend Jeremiah Wright?
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While each of them have their....interesting qualities....

...They are not calling for the President to be killed because he's either a Democrat or black! Nor did they do it with former US President George W. Bush.

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
Which political side do the following haters seem to vote?


Notice I didn't say who the groups voted for and left it at that. That they are ALL DANGEROUS GROUPS. That they are just as 'fine' burning down a black church or assassinating the current president, as they are in voting. And they vote GOP/TP.

The groups you used, are rather tame by comparison. ACORN, does not exist.

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As none of these groups of people seem to be voting Democrat, nor voted for Obama in either election. They all voted Republican and Tea Party. Your 'side' of the political spectrum seems to have the monopoly on hatred, intolerance, and fear. Or are you going to argue that FOX 'news', The Drudge Report, and Stormfront put everything into politically-neutral grounds for information purposes?

Our side has the monopoly on hatred? Have you listened to Bernie Sanders? And by the way, Joe...your side sees anything said outside of your sides views as "hatred, intolerance and fear". We get angry over illegal aliens? We hate Latinos. We think that Affirmative Action should be used as it was intended...to level the playing field, not give preferential treatment? We're racists. And on and on.




Yes, I have listen to Bernie Sanders. And the right wing STILL had a monopoly on hatred. Or are you going to claim to me the birthers and truthers never existed? Or any of the groups I listed? Yeah, your party is stuck as 'the Party of Hatred'. Have you never watched Hannity? Beck? Dobbs? Coulter? Your side has a pile load of very hateful people.

I seem to recall Sarah Palin putting gun sights on people during an election.

You got angry/afraid at a bunch of children fleeing South and Central America last year, because where they were fleeing from was plenty worst than 'conservative areas' of the nation. What has most of the illegal alien population done since getting into the nation: raising their families, paying taxes, working, keeping their neighborhoods safe. The crime rate for US Citizens is higher than the illegal alien population. A study from the University of New Mexico, 2007, showed the state gained $100 million in reverence over the costs to handle those illegal immigrants. The authors suspected the same would be true in the other border states.

You even stated you hated Latinos. So right there, you proved my point.

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Are you going to argue that MSNBC, the late UN-lamented Air America, the Anti-Drudge Report put everything into politically-neutral terms?


Yeah, ONE news media verse the hundreds of conservative across the nation. Do you know what Media Matters was created? To basically be the watch dog group for FOX 'news'. Over time it expanded operations to include other conservative media sources that bent the news for a political agenda.

I don't take most of what MSNBC states seriously. I even check their information from other sources for accuracy. But if a conservative agenda issue comes up, a hundred sites will display the information. Even if the information is discredited later on, those sites will not post a correction. MSNBC does correct itself when the information was reported inaccurately. CNN is pretty classy about it. They usually have the person that made the mistake, admit to the mistake, and explain the process to show how the error occurred. Then they give the correct information. That's how you tell a 'political agenda group' from 'journalistic quality'.


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RE: Why Does Obama Go To This Man For Advice? - 8/6/2015 4:34:44 PM   
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Ffs i never said the speech wasnt real
I said the part about them still being friends Was debateable.
Which is pointed at the thread title.
Oh and if you missed my opinion of the man......
"RACIST RELIGIOUS NASTY ASS(farrakhan...
Look up at my first post
Try reading for comprehension


LOL......... Lucy will you stop pointing out the bleedin obvious.

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RE: Why Does Obama Go To This Man For Advice? - 8/6/2015 4:38:29 PM   
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Anyone have any examples of the President's taking and following Farrakhan's advice?


Dont be so silly.......

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