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Texas court say NOPE to their voter ID scheme. - 8/5/2015 7:10:53 PM   
Lucylastic


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http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/appeals-court-balks-texas-voter-id-scheme?cid=sm_fb_maddow

After conservatives on the U.S. Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act, Texas Republicans wasted no time imposing some of the nation’s harshest voting restrictions. And when I say “wasted no time,” I mean that quite literally – GOP state officials acted within hours of the high court ruling to suppress Texans’ ability to vote.

At the heart of the campaign is the Lone Star State’s voter-ID law – one of the nation’s most ridiculous – which has had the practical effect of disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of Texas voters. Today, as the Associated Press reported, that law was struck down by a federal appeals court.
The 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans said Wednesday that the Texas law, one of the toughest voter ID measures in the country, violates Section 2 of the [Voting Rights Act]. The U.S. Justice Department had joined minority groups in a drawn-out legal battle that has stretched for years.

A lower court had previously found that the voter ID was passed by the Republican-controlled Texas Legislature with the intent of discriminating against minorities. But in striking down the law, the appeals court did not find the voter ID requirement to be the equivalent of a poll tax.
Rick Hasen posted the text of the 5th Circuit’s ruling, which was unanimous, online here (pdf). Note, the ruling’s author was appointed to the bench by George W. Bush, which makes it a little tougher for the right to see this as evidence of liberal judicial activism.

So, is Texas’ odious law no more? Not quite. As Hasen explained, this is “a great (but not complete) victory” for voting advocates. From his Election Law Blog piece:
The court affirms that the law violates Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act, but rejects the claim of discriminatory purpose and that the law constitutes a poll tax. The court remands for more findings on discriminatory purpose and for a decision on the remedy to the Section 2 violation. That remedy could allow Texas to keep enforcing its law for most people, so long as it gives ways to vote for those who face burdens under the law.

This is a narrow but important victory coming on the eve of the 50th anniversary of the passage of the Voting Rights Act.

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RE: Texas court say NOPE to their voter ID scheme. - 8/5/2015 8:56:24 PM   
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Good news for leftists, who need every vote they can steal. Disenfranchising legitimate American voters is the name of their game

How is the flood of undocumented Democrats coming along

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RE: Texas court say NOPE to their voter ID scheme. - 8/5/2015 9:16:11 PM   
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Good news for leftists, who need every vote they can steal. Disenfranchising legitimate American voters is the name of their game

How is the flood of undocumented Democrats coming along



I find the use of "undocumented" distasteful. Call it like it is... illegal immigrant. You know… those individuals who are current and active criminals , living illegally in the U.S.A.

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RE: Texas court say NOPE to their voter ID scheme. - 8/6/2015 1:07:47 AM   
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Good news for leftists, who need every vote they can steal. Disenfranchising legitimate American voters is the name of their game
How is the flood of undocumented Democrats coming along


Curiously enough when we have few people voting, we tend to get bad government. When many people in the nation vote, we tend to have good government. Texas has been in the vanguard of trying to keep good Americans from voting. The numbers from the previous general election (2012) and mid term election (2014) show the GOP/TP has done a GREAT JOB in suppressing the vote.

How is the flood going? They can't keep up with undocumented Republications! Since if the reversal was true, Texas would be solid blue by now!

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RE: Texas court say NOPE to their voter ID scheme. - 8/6/2015 1:13:20 AM   
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Good news for leftists, who need every vote they can steal. Disenfranchising legitimate American voters is the name of their game

How is the flood of undocumented Democrats coming along

I find the use of "undocumented" distasteful. Call it like it is... illegal immigrant. You know… those individuals who are current and active criminals , living illegally in the U.S.A.


Technically, the only illegal immigrants are the ones that have been found in a court of law to have broken one or more laws with regards to the immigration process (since everyone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law). Everyone else is just a person living in the nation. Yes, there are those whom can not vote. And there are those whom will not vote. But all those photo ID laws have not really improved the voter turn out in the 2012 or 2014 elections. They have actually seen decreases.

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RE: Texas court say NOPE to their voter ID scheme. - 8/6/2015 6:55:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Good news for leftists, who need every vote they can steal. Disenfranchising legitimate American voters is the name of their game

How is the flood of undocumented Democrats coming along

I find the use of "undocumented" distasteful. Call it like it is... illegal immigrant. You know… those individuals who are current and active criminals , living illegally in the U.S.A.

Yes, there are those whom can not vote. And there are those whom will not vote. But all those photo ID laws have not really improved the voter turn out in the 2012 or 2014 elections. They have actually seen decreases.

the idea is not necessarily to improve voter turnout brainiac---though sometimes that appears to happen and other times it seems to slightly lessen it---the idea is to make sure that people voting are allowed to vote.

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there are those whom can not vote. And there are those whom will not vote

and I see you still don't understand "who" and "whom"---must be rough. I keep trying to help you. how about this, 99 times out of a 100 when you go to use "whom", use "who" instead.

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Texas has been in the vanguard of trying to keep good Americans from voting. The numbers from the previous general election (2012) and mid term election (2014) show the GOP/TP has done a GREAT JOB in suppressing the vote.

righttttt....and exactly what evidence do you have for that? its exactly those types of statements that make you a shameless partisan hack.

and I suppose the mid-term drubbings that the democrats took on all levels of government had to do with voter suppression too, and nothing to do with the dissatisfaction with their policies and practices.


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RE: Texas court say NOPE to their voter ID scheme. - 8/6/2015 7:22:26 AM   
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Good news for leftists, who need every vote they can steal. Disenfranchising legitimate American voters is the name of their game

How is the flood of undocumented Democrats coming along



I find the use of "undocumented" distasteful. Call it like it is... illegal immigrant. You know… those individuals who are current and active criminals , living illegally in the U.S.A.



not quite that simple. citizenship is a license to vote within the franchise. undocumented merely means unregistered. Many people recently have not been putting new borns names on birth certificates due to the gubmints improper use of the language, which is what you posted. legitimate government is a franchise that you can opt in and opt out should you like, not an overlord. Illegal suggest overlord, undocumented suggests someone has a choice. which do you prefer? Choice or overlord?

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RE: Texas court say NOPE to their voter ID scheme. - 8/6/2015 12:36:17 PM   
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Good news for leftists, who need every vote they can steal. Disenfranchising legitimate American voters is the name of their game

How is the flood of undocumented Democrats coming along

I find the use of "undocumented" distasteful. Call it like it is... illegal immigrant. You know… those individuals who are current and active criminals , living illegally in the U.S.A.

Yes, there are those whom can not vote. And there are those whom will not vote. But all those photo ID laws have not really improved the voter turn out in the 2012 or 2014 elections. They have actually seen decreases.

the idea is not necessarily to improve voter turnout brainiac---though sometimes that appears to happen and other times it seems to slightly lessen it---the idea is to make sure that people voting are allowed to vote.


Actually it WAS promoted by the GOP/TP to improve the number of people voting in elections. And according to the last two elections, the percentage of voters decreased more so in states with Voter ID laws than within. Do the two have anything in common? Hard to say without further study. But it is a curious observation none the less.

Voter ID doesn't do anything except add another level of security that can be easily compromised. And I've explained how easily it can be compromised. So why have it? Because voter fraud before had was '....so out of hand.....' according to conservatives and libertarians. Then many organizations started studying that notion and found quite the opposite to be true.

So why was Voter ID laws put into law? To undermined and intimidate potential voters from voting Democrat. These voters were college students, elderly and the poor/homeless. All three groups who have voted for the Democrats in large numbers. So it would make logic sense to create some 'bullshit reason' to try to keep those groups from adding votes to the Democrats and help more Republicans win.

The only people fooled by all this bullshit, are people like you: poorly educated, poor studying, easily manipulated by fear and drama, and hate Democrats/liberals because someone tells you too....

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there are those whom can not vote. And there are those whom will not vote

and I see you still don't understand "who" and "whom"---must be rough. I keep trying to help you. how about this, 99 times out of a 100 when you go to use "whom", use "who" instead.


Here's an idea: When you and all the other conservatives not only grow a brain, but acquire a college degree (BS/BA or higher) and hold your party to the same level of accountability and responsibility with power as you slam the President and Democrats every hour of every day; I'll look into the proper usage of both words.

I understand your trying to help me. And I'm trying to help you. An what I'm trying to help you get, helps the nation....FAR MORE....than who I decide to chat to whom about.

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Texas has been in the vanguard of trying to keep good Americans from voting. The numbers from the previous general election (2012) and mid term election (2014) show the GOP/TP has done a GREAT JOB in suppressing the vote.

righttttt....and exactly what evidence do you have for that? its exactly those types of statements that make you a shameless partisan hack.


Seriously, look it up. The 2014 mid term election was the lowest turn out in about 70 years. It was a sad turn of events for any real Americans whom didn't make up bullshit to avoid doing their civil duty. I can bitch because I did vote! And voted in every local, state, and federal election since turning 18 years of age.

In 2012 (the general election) the numbers were down more in red states than blue states. The most commonality was many of those states had instituted photo ID laws to 'combat' that 'out of control voter fraud' that wasn't really taking place. In other threads on the topic, I explained and showed the evidence. Voter fraud was not taking place anywhere near what the GOP/TP was insulating. That it did happen but on a tiny scale as to render it irrelevant. You can not look at this topic objectively. That is your problem.

That is one of the problems we Americans have with our laws and government right now: we can not look out our own views and party objectively. Yeah, I support the ACA. And I will point out its flaws that should be fixed. But the difference is that I'm informed of the law and how those problems are generated over yourself. We can not solve any of the hundred 'top priority' problems in this nation, because we have to many ignorant morons and not enough informed citizens. Name a subject material; there are more morons than informed people.

That is why we are slowly falling behind when compared to other nations around the world.

There are times I've honestly tried to explain a situation or concept, minus, the political 'car sale speech' in the vain hope of giving you enough instruction to understand the problem and what some of the corrections could be. And I get blasted for it!

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and I suppose the mid-term drubbings that the democrats took on all levels of government had to do with voter suppression too, and nothing to do with the dissatisfaction with their policies and practices.


The "drubbings" as you put it had nothing to do with voter suppression. These are two totally different concepts. They have things in common, but not directly related. A bicycle and a 747 have many things in common, but both are used in different ways. Voter suppression deals with people....BEFORE...they actually cast a ballot. Those that did vote were pissed at the Democrats and the President over events in 2013-2014.

Its the subtleties that are often missed by the general public. And its to our determent that we as a society overlook those subtleties. We end up paying for 6-15 months after the election.

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RE: Texas court say NOPE to their voter ID scheme. - 8/6/2015 12:43:38 PM   
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Good news for leftists, who need every vote they can steal. Disenfranchising legitimate American voters is the name of their game
How is the flood of undocumented Democrats coming along

I find the use of "undocumented" distasteful. Call it like it is... illegal immigrant. You know… those individuals who are current and active criminals , living illegally in the U.S.A.

not quite that simple. citizenship is a license to vote within the franchise. undocumented merely means unregistered. Many people recently have not been putting new borns names on birth certificates due to the gubmints improper use of the language, which is what you posted. legitimate government is a franchise that you can opt in and opt out should you like, not an overlord. Illegal suggest overlord, undocumented suggests someone has a choice. which do you prefer? Choice or overlord?


Undocumented means someone has not filled out the proper paperwork to be recognized as a legal immigrant. Unregistered means they have not filled out all the proper paperwork for voting in the correct area to which they live.

If you do not like the United States of America, RealOne, PLEASE, renounce your citizenship and get the FUCK OUT OF MY COUNTRY! You seem to bitch about everything in this nation. From the people, the technology, education, taxes, infrastructure, whose in office, who is not in office. And NONE of it is ever positive. I'm a Depression suffer, and I sound like a fucking optimist around you! If you dont like the nation, why the hell are you still here?!?!?!?!?!

You want all the good stuff that America has to offer? There is a cost attached to it. No, its not negotiable. Take it or leave it!

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RE: Texas court say NOPE to their voter ID scheme. - 8/6/2015 12:57:42 PM   
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RE: Texas court say NOPE to their voter ID scheme. - 8/6/2015 3:15:22 PM   
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Maybe voting rights should be tied to having an IQ bigger than the size of a split pea.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/08/hillarys-supporters-want-to-repeal-the-bill-of-rights.php


An intelligence and literacy test for voter registration was ruled as racist and discriminatory way back in the 1960s.

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RE: Texas court say NOPE to their voter ID scheme. - 8/6/2015 7:26:36 PM   
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Good news for leftists, who need every vote they can steal. Disenfranchising legitimate American voters is the name of their game
How is the flood of undocumented Democrats coming along

I find the use of "undocumented" distasteful. Call it like it is... illegal immigrant. You know… those individuals who are current and active criminals , living illegally in the U.S.A.

not quite that simple. citizenship is a license to vote within the franchise. undocumented merely means unregistered. Many people recently have not been putting new borns names on birth certificates due to the gubmints improper use of the language, which is what you posted. legitimate government is a franchise that you can opt in and opt out should you like, not an overlord. Illegal suggest overlord, undocumented suggests someone has a choice. which do you prefer? Choice or overlord?


Undocumented means someone has not filled out the proper paperwork to be recognized as a legal immigrant. Unregistered means they have not filled out all the proper paperwork for voting in the correct area to which they live.

If you do not like the United States of America, RealOne, PLEASE, renounce your citizenship and get the FUCK OUT OF MY COUNTRY! You seem to bitch about everything in this nation. From the people, the technology, education, taxes, infrastructure, whose in office, who is not in office. And NONE of it is ever positive. I'm a Depression suffer, and I sound like a fucking optimist around you! If you dont like the nation, why the hell are you still here?!?!?!?!?!

You want all the good stuff that America has to offer? There is a cost attached to it. No, its not negotiable. Take it or leave it!

Unfortunately, spoken like a true Nazi. However, without dissension, you do not have a republic.

I understand Real even though yes, he's a bit overwrought.

My problem with America is not just America, with the exception of America's exceptionalism being a society most (more than any other) all about money and the western creed of maximized profit over all things, i.e., society at large no longer served by economies and the constant harangue of terrorism, the fear it is supposed to create...allowing govt. to seriously limit your rights for your own protection.

The old ruse still works and works quite well...on moronic America. More Americans die from allergic peanut poisoning...than terrorism.

Oh, and I understand it's easier to get a gun in Texas...than register to vote.

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RE: Texas court say NOPE to their voter ID scheme. - 8/7/2015 3:36:31 PM   
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• Last year, after a lengthy trial, a federal judge in Corpus Christi struck down the law, finding that more than 600,000 Texans — disproportionately poor, black and Latino — lacked the necessary ID and could be barred from voting. Compare that number with instances of voter fraud: Out of 20 million votes cast during the 10 years before the law was passed, there were two convictions for voter impersonation fraud.

To you denialists: look at the numbers -- 600,000 (barred from voting in a single year) v. 2 instances of voter fraud over 10 years (an entire decade.)

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/07/opinion/the-real-voter-fraud-is-texas-id-law.html?_r=0
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If we wanted to eliminate the TEA PARTY voters, we'd require that every voter have a Passport and Library Card.

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RE: Texas court say NOPE to their voter ID scheme. - 8/7/2015 6:05:48 PM   
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Try living on planet earth.

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• Last year, after a lengthy trial, a federal judge in Corpus Christi struck down the law, finding that more than 600,000 Texans — disproportionately poor, black and Latino — lacked the necessary ID and could be barred from voting. Compare that number with instances of voter fraud: Out of 20 million votes cast during the 10 years before the law was passed, there were two convictions for voter impersonation fraud.

To you denialists: look at the numbers -- 600,000 (barred from voting in a single year) v. 2 instances of voter fraud over 10 years (an entire decade.)

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/07/opinion/the-real-voter-fraud-is-texas-id-law.html?_r=0
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If we wanted to eliminate the TEA PARTY voters, we'd require that every voter have a Passport and Library Card.

Actually, that sounds like the way to damage a big Democratic voting block: illegal immigrants

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RE: Texas court say NOPE to their voter ID scheme. - 8/7/2015 6:19:43 PM   
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Actually, that sounds like the way to damage a big Democratic voting block: illegal immigrants



Death certificates would take care of another sizable block.



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RE: Texas court say NOPE to their voter ID scheme. - 8/7/2015 6:32:08 PM   
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Good joke. Funny how there's so little shame in what a District Court Judge described as INTENTIONAL DISCRIMINATION on the part of the Texas Legislature. Taking the vote away from 600,000 Texans and you guys are perfectly smooth with it.

Mnot was right in linking the measure to poll taxes.

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RE: Texas court say NOPE to their voter ID scheme. - 8/7/2015 7:02:30 PM   
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the court said it was unacceptable, they find it acceptable.
but without rw edumacation and propaganda feeds they cant use anything more than the voting dead and half of disney world too.
Ive been hearing that since reagan....
its old boring and wrong.
Bit like gerrymandering


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RE: Texas court say NOPE to their voter ID scheme. - 8/7/2015 8:27:03 PM   
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cmon cloud, you know they cant accept the facts.
the court said it was unacceptable, they find it acceptable.
but without rw edumacation and propaganda feeds they cant use anything more than the voting dead and half of disney world too.
Ive been hearing that since reagan....
its old boring and wrong.
Bit like gerrymandering



So now leftists feel that if a judge decrees something so, it has to be the one true way

*cough*CITIZENS UNITED*cough*

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RE: Texas court say NOPE to their voter ID scheme. - 8/7/2015 9:14:56 PM   
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600,000 to 2. How do you explain that move?

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RE: Texas court say NOPE to their voter ID scheme. - 8/7/2015 9:24:35 PM   
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Facts are facts --- and your usual move is to run fast when you don't like'em.


You dont understand what I wrote...

Read my post for comprehension then try again

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