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RE: GOP = Iranian Hardliners - 8/7/2015 8:45:51 PM   
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You know, seems to me that our friends on the left are the one's screaming about war with Iran. I don't remember, although it is possible, that our friends on the rigt having said it.



Not Exactly.

Lefty: "If we don't do this agreement, we will, eventually, be at war with Iran!"

Righty: "We'll be at war with Iran, eventually. Let's not give them time to arm themselves for it."

That's more accurate.



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RE: GOP = Iranian Hardliners - 8/7/2015 8:52:03 PM   
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You know, seems to me that our friends on the left are the one's screaming about war with Iran. I don't remember, although it is possible, that our friends on the rigt having said it.



Not Exactly.

Lefty: "If we don't do this agreement, we will, eventually, be at war with Iran!"

Righty: "We'll be at war with Iran, eventually. Let's not give them time to arm themselves for it."

That's more accurate.



Michael



"So theyre chanting death to us, and death to Israel while building nuclear bombs. So this is sparking a nuclear arms race in the region, and Obamas agreement gives them nukes ten years from now.... So what? The point is, Republicans bad."

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RE: GOP = Iranian Hardliners - 8/7/2015 11:01:25 PM   
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It gives us time to recover from 2 wars that aren't quite finished or paid for yet too.

It would be difficult to convince the American people that invading Iran is justifiable without a direct attack on us or our allies. It will be much more difficult to convince the UN.

Then by all means wait until a mushroom cloud sprouts over New York from a suitcase bomb that came in across the open Mexican border.
Do you really think that dropping the sanctions is in any way going to improve things?
Do you really think that giving them 24 days notice before an inspection is going to improve anything?
Do you really think that having to get permission from the UN to do an inspection at all will in any way make things better?
Do you really think that the US not even being told what the Iranians have to do to end sanctions is any reason to agree to this.
Do you actually think that there will be a sanity epidemic in Iran in the next decade?
How in the world does making a deal that is worse than maintaining the status quo a good thing?
Surrender is not better than not making a deal.
Of course by the time we pay for this Obama will be out of office and you will blame the Republican president we have in 3 years for the whole thing.

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RE: GOP = Iranian Hardliners - 8/7/2015 11:06:39 PM   
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It gives us time to recover from 2 wars that aren't quite finished or paid for yet too.

It would be difficult to convince the American people that invading Iran is justifiable without a direct attack on us or our allies. It will be much more difficult to convince the UN.



Fuck the UN (and just about everything they stand for)!



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RE: GOP = Iranian Hardliners - 8/7/2015 11:14:14 PM   
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It gives us time to recover from 2 wars that aren't quite finished or paid for yet too.

It would be difficult to convince the American people that invading Iran is justifiable without a direct attack on us or our allies. It will be much more difficult to convince the UN.



Fuck the UN (and just about everything they stand for)!



Michael


I don't think this post was aimed at me since I didn't say that.

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RE: GOP = Iranian Hardliners - 8/7/2015 11:37:48 PM   
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I don't think this post was aimed at me since I didn't say that.



It wasn't. Why do you always doubt me?

Technically (and exactly how I meant it), it was aimed at the UN.

Why did we go into Korea?

Why did we go into Viet Nam?

Why did we go into Kuwait?

Why did we go into Iraq?

There's only two answers, really:

Korea, Kuwait, and Iraq: "UN resolutions"

Viet Nam: "Because two fellow signatories dropped the ball and we had to clean up their mess"

I repeat: "FUCK the UN !!!



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RE: GOP = Iranian Hardliners - 8/8/2015 2:45:55 AM   
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never minding that theres a fair amount of democrats who don't buy into the iran nuclear deal either---in so much as practically nothing you wrote there is true concerning republicans, im not sure how you can be so shameless as to show your lack of integrity in public.

you are absolutely, and embarrassingly laughable. I am not sure how you look at yourself in the mirror each day.

whats more, given your constant irrational if not outright delusional posts, I seriously believe you need psychological help.


How many Democrats running for President have come out saying we should:

A ) Invade Iran
B ) Nuke Iran
C ) Nuke and then Invade Iran

Not very many. Yet, the two GOP 'debates' had a score of individuals saying they would do just that. Its one thing to have an issue with the Iran treaty, if you read it. Its quite another if you have not. I posted the treaty on this forum two weeks ago. Each of you have read more text in all the top ten posts, then exist in the treaty's wordings. So what is the excuse from remaining an ignorant moron?

Oh, that's right, calling me names! What are you? Mentally and emotionally six years old?

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RE: GOP = Iranian Hardliners - 8/8/2015 2:50:52 AM   
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Dunno if you guys have noticed, but we really haven't been in a strong enough position to get a really 'good' treaty out of Iran in a long damn time. If we ever were.

Maybe this is as good as it gets for now. And it's more direct contact and negotiation than we've had with Iran since maybe the Carter administration.

That is like saying that someone is threatening you with a knife, wants you to give him a shotgun, but since he accepts a handgun you should be happy with the deal.
Chamberlain would have loved that argument.



Did you read the treaty? No of course not. The Iranians stand to gain more stability and credibility with the world by going along with the treaty. If they screw any part of it, all those sanctions which are straggling their country will get worst. They are taking a bigger gamble than anyone else (including the United States).

So why haven't you read the treaty?



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RE: GOP = Iranian Hardliners - 8/8/2015 2:59:48 AM   
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Ultimately, I believe it will be up to Iran whether there is a war or not. The US and our allies can only decide when.

Right now, we have little to risk by attempting diplomacy, at least to delay what's probably inevitable.

Again you are following the path of the West in the 30's, use diplomacy give the Axis time to get stronger, don't fight till they want to.


In the 1930's, did all the countries opposing Germany have systems and people that could spy and analysis information to determine Germany's weapons capability? Or in a direct position to strike them down soundly with a military force many times their size and ability?

Because that's your bullshit on display. Your stating two things:

1 ) Iran's military is better than the United States Military
2 ) Iran can counter any and all intelligence gather operations for an unlimited time period

With the treaty in place, its much harder for Iran to really do things in secret as it concerns the production of nuclear weapons. You wouldn't know what that is, because you didn't read the treaty.

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RE: GOP = Iranian Hardliners - 8/8/2015 3:09:05 AM   
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It gives us time to recover from 2 wars that aren't quite finished or paid for yet too.

It would be difficult to convince the American people that invading Iran is justifiable without a direct attack on us or our allies. It will be much more difficult to convince the UN.

Then by all means wait until a mushroom cloud sprouts over New York from a suitcase bomb that came in across the open Mexican border.
Do you really think that dropping the sanctions is in any way going to improve things?
Do you really think that giving them 24 days notice before an inspection is going to improve anything?
Do you really think that having to get permission from the UN to do an inspection at all will in any way make things better?
Do you really think that the US not even being told what the Iranians have to do to end sanctions is any reason to agree to this.
Do you actually think that there will be a sanity epidemic in Iran in the next decade?
How in the world does making a deal that is worse than maintaining the status quo a good thing?
Surrender is not better than not making a deal.
Of course by the time we pay for this Obama will be out of office and you will blame the Republican president we have in 3 years for the whole thing.


And this is why you shouldn't have a gun. Your hyperventilating and spewing complete bullshit. Your not aware of reality and afraid of complete shadows that can not harm you.

This country has lived with the threat of a mushroom cloud of nuclear energy for many decades; it was called the COLD WAR. And we the United States of America, got our adversary, the USSR, to agree to a reduction of nuclear arms. Neither side wanted 'suitcase nukes' denoting in their cities. Nor does any other civilize nation in the world! Not even Iran....

And that a suitcase nuke could be shipped through the Mexican border....

....Or the Canadian border.
....Or any of the ports along the Gulf of Mexico
....Or any of the ports along the Pacific Ocean
....Or any of the ports along the Atlanta Ocean

Nothing the other four are more likely since there is less visibility on them.

Like your ignorance on the treaty, your also ignorant on our not President. Get ready for a lady whom is more a man than all the men in that GOP 'debate' from Fox.

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RE: GOP = Iranian Hardliners - 8/8/2015 3:15:24 AM   
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According to President Obama the GOP share more in common with the Iranian hardliners than oppose. An I agree with him!

Commonalities:

A ) The hate the other's country.
B ) They hate the people of the other country.
C ) They wrap themselves in their home country's flag.
D ) Belief they are incapable of being wrong.
E ) Hate Gays, Liberals, Democrats, and anyone with Peaceful thoughts.
F ) Want all the power, and run things like a dictatorship.
G ) Tell the people of their country they are the only choice to be in power.
H ) The ends justify the means.
I ) Torture is totally 'OK' so long as they aren't being tortured.
K ) State they are oppressed by vile forces (i.c. sane people wish to keep them from having power).
L ) Worship dark powers while stating they worship God.
M ) See money as the end goal in life, not a tool to be used in life.
N ) Send their nation's military to battle the other, but will not take a direct role in any fighting (i.e. cowards).

O ) They want war with the other and will do....ANYTHING...to achieve it. Including torpedoing any treaties.

I'm sure I and others can keep adding to the list. These are people that want war, death, and destruction. They care nothing for mutual understanding, or peace. Since there are many in Iran that would like nuclear power, but for energy needs, not hostile needs. The Iran Treaty (which most of you still have not read) explains how that can be achieved. During the FOX 'debate' (more a press conference with GOP talking heads) just about every candidate stated they want war with Iran. And they are more than happy to send our military into a meat grinder to achieve it. They hate compassion, caring, and kindness. They have no humility, honor, or decency. To them, the opposing country is dangerous because of (insert any of fifty reasons here). Most of those reasons, the Iranian Hardliners could say of the USA.

If there is a reason to vote Democrat, here it is: The GOP want WAR, and don't give a shit at the cost. They'll even manufacture 'facts' if the real ones aren't sufficiently convincing people. The GOP is not to be trusted.

Aside from the fact that I'm going to have this post bronzed and mounted on a plaque to present to you next time you call somebody else a "paranoid schizophrenic," I'd like to plumb the depths of your delusions a little further.

Firstly:
A third of Republicans support Iran nuclear deal ~Reuters

Secondly:
More Americans disapprove than approve of the Iran deal ~CBS News

Do your comments apply to them too? How about these opponents:
    Brad Sherman, D-Calif., a senior member of the U.S. House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee; Eliot Engel, D-N.Y., the committee’s senior Democrat; Ted Deutch, D-Fla., the senior Democrat on its Middle East subcommittee; Nita Lowey, D-N.Y., the senior Democrat on the House Appropriations Committee; Steve Israel, D-N.Y., who until last year chaired the House Democrats reelection campaign; Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., Harry Reid's hand-picked successor for the Democratic party’s Senate leadership; and the all Democrat Citizens Advisory Board (Gary Ackerman, Evan Bayh, Mark Begich, Shelley Berkley, Peter Deutsch, and Mary Landrieu).
Thanks in advance.

K.



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RE: GOP = Iranian Hardliners - 8/8/2015 3:38:53 AM   
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Aside from the fact that I'm going to have this post bronzed and mounted on a plaque to present to you next time you call somebody else a "paranoid schizophrenic," I'd like to plumb the depths of your delusions a little further.


In order for me to be paranoid, I would have to believe those Republicans are coming after me. Which they are not. Therefore, I am not paranoid.

In order for me to be schizophrenic, I would have to believe in things that are not real and/or act/react as if they were real. The GOP is against the deal, because a Democratic President put it together. They have been, from day one, automatically opposed to any and all efforts of the President. They have not brought up the particulars of the treaty, because that might inform the very people they wish to keep in the dark on the situation: their voters. Their voters whom are ignorant and easily controllable with fear.

This would not be schizophrenia, this would be observation of behaviors by people with less than honorable, decent, and scrupulous intentions. That your 'OK' with these sort of people, enough to defend them, states much about your being....

You should get a copy of the DSM v5.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
Firstly:
A third of Republicans support Iran nuclear deal ~Reuters

Secondly:
More Americans disapprove than approve of the Iran deal ~CBS News

Does your post apply to them too?


Maybe if you took the time to not just read but to....UNDERSTAND....the OP, you would be able to answer your own question. How many of each of these, have....READ....the treaty? Very few. A person whom defends/fights a law, but doesn't even know what is in the law, not written in the law, or how it behaves; is an idiot. Most Americans are idiots. They have not read the document, so therefore, are obtaining all their information from other sources. How trustworthy and honest are those sources? FOX 'news' is watched/listen to by a large percentage of Americans. How truthful, honest, and educating do you think FOX 'news' is with regards to this treaty?

You have to say 'yes', in order for your two above statements to have any real merit. Go ahead, make sure you include the evidence with your bullshit....

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
And thirdly, how about these people who oppose the deal?
    Brad Sherman, D-Calif., a senior member of the U.S. House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee; Eliot Engel, D-N.Y., the committee’s senior Democrat; Ted Deutch, D-Fla., the senior Democrat on its Middle East subcommittee; Nita Lowey, D-N.Y., the senior Democrat on the House Appropriations Committee; Steve Israel, D-N.Y., who until last year chaired the House Democrats reelection campaign; Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., Harry Reid's hand-picked successor for the Democratic party’s Senate leadership; and the all Democrat Citizens Advisory Board (Gary Ackerman, Evan Bayh, Mark Begich, Shelley Berkley, Peter Deutsch, and Mary Landrieu)?
Thanks in advance.


Why do they oppose?

I'm fine if people read the treaty and decided "Yeah, this works" or "no, this does not work". Because often that is followed by sections from the treaty used in an argument to support their viewpoint. These people opposite not because they didn't read the treaty, but because they did. But your leaving out....WHY....they oppose it. You assume (foolishly) that since they oppose, their reasons are irrelevant. And that simply shows your level of intelligence and education on the subject matter. And intelligent and educated person, whom has read the treaty, would like to know why person 'A' likes the treaty and why person 'B' does not.

I can understand the ACA being a bit....long...at 2409 pages. The Iran treaty is 159 pages. Its been around for a few weeks now. What is your excuse for not reading it? Since you have had plenty of time to read this thread and several others. And that brings us to the point here: you didn't read, so you are ignorant. You look for someone whom opposes this, because you oppose it. But you dont understand nor care to understand....WHY....they oppose it.

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RE: GOP = Iranian Hardliners - 8/8/2015 3:41:24 AM   
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And this is why you shouldn't have a gun.

This is not a gun thread. Chalk up another loss.

K.

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RE: GOP = Iranian Hardliners - 8/8/2015 3:43:08 AM   
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[the] next time you call somebody else a "paranoid schizophrenic," I'd like to plumb the depths of your delusions a little further.


worth repeating I think from my first response:

quote:

never minding that theres a fair amount of democrats who don't buy into the iran nuclear deal either---in so much as practically nothing you wrote there is true concerning republicans, im not sure how you can be so shameless as to show your lack of integrity in public.

you are absolutely, and embarrassingly laughable. I am not sure how you look at yourself in the mirror each day.

whats more, given your constant irrational if not outright delusional posts, I seriously believe you need psychological help.


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RE: GOP = Iranian Hardliners - 8/8/2015 3:50:51 AM   
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In order for me to be schizophrenic, I would have to believe in things that are not real and/or act/react as if they were real.

And, of course, insist you're not doing that.

K.






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RE: GOP = Iranian Hardliners - 8/8/2015 3:55:30 AM   
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And this is why you shouldn't have a gun.

This is not a gun thread. Chalk up another loss.


You took the whole thing out of context to make an argument. Either you know this consciously, in which case your just intellectually dishonest. Or you didn't, and your just an idiot.

Which one are you? Intellectually dishonest or an idiot?

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RE: GOP = Iranian Hardliners - 8/8/2015 3:57:52 AM   
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In order for me to be schizophrenic, I would have to believe in things that are not real and/or act/react as if they were real.

And, of course, insist you're not doing that.


Given that you are not a qualified person in understanding how schizophrenia manifests itself; you are not very qualified to speak on this.

Imagine if we actually required you to be informed on topics before being allowed to post on them? We would never hear from you. Ever!

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RE: GOP = Iranian Hardliners - 8/8/2015 4:02:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: joether

And this is why you shouldn't have a gun.

This is not a gun thread. Chalk up another loss.


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

quote:

[the] next time you call somebody else a "paranoid schizophrenic," I'd like to plumb the depths of your delusions a little further.


worth repeating I think from my first response:

quote:

never minding that theres a fair amount of democrats who don't buy into the iran nuclear deal either---in so much as practically nothing you wrote there is true concerning republicans, im not sure how you can be so shameless as to show your lack of integrity in public.

you are absolutely, and embarrassingly laughable. I am not sure how you look at yourself in the mirror each day.

whats more, given your constant irrational if not outright delusional posts, I seriously believe you need psychological help.





Yes, this not a topic on the DSM v5 either. Funny how Kirata doesnt say anything about this.....

Only a hypocrite would do that, right?


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RE: GOP = Iranian Hardliners - 8/8/2015 4:08:31 AM   
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Given that you are not a qualified person in understanding how schizophrenia manifests itself; you are not very qualified to speak on this.

Are you sure?

K.


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RE: GOP = Iranian Hardliners - 8/8/2015 4:19:52 AM   
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Given that you are not a qualified person in understanding how schizophrenia manifests itself; you are not very qualified to speak on this.

Are you sure?


Educated guess: yes.

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