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Does It Seem Like Everyone Has Ulterior Motives In Rela... - 8/8/2015 9:51:47 AM   
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Most women tell me that men have "ulterior motives" when asking for a date. Basically, men will do and/or be anything to have sex. Besides that, it seems like everyone has ulterior motives.

1. I met a dominant woman at a social event and had two sessions with her. On the second session she said she is started a new business, Escort Service, and gave me her business cards and ordered me to start handing them out. She also wanted me to get an Escort once a week, and she will give me a special discount at $150.00. I wrote to her and told her it seems like she has ulterior motives for having submissives, mainly to promote her business. She denied it.
2. I met another dominant woman and had two sessions with her. On the second session she brings in another male and I objected and left. After exchanging more emails with her it seems like she was more interested in pleasing her man than having a male submissive.

Well, those are just two experiences I've had.

Does it seem to you that people (men and women) have ulterior motives when getting into relationships?
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RE: Does It Seem Like Everyone Has Ulterior Motives In ... - 8/8/2015 10:27:28 AM   
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You had two sessions with two pro dommes? You paid for the sessions, the sessions were fine, but they asked you to do something you werent prepared to do and you left
Am I getting the positions right so far?

I dont want to assume anything before I answer your broader question.


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RE: Does It Seem Like Everyone Has Ulterior Motives In ... - 8/8/2015 11:03:53 AM   
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There is always people out there that has ulterior motives, just as in everyday life. Sometimes it takes awhile to find a good person. It doesn't matter if it's a coworker a family member or someone you are in a relationship with the secret is to get to know the person and build trust with them. it sounds like you met some whom you didn't match up with. Don't give up everyone is different and you will find someone that is a good match for you. Good luck

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RE: Does It Seem Like Everyone Has Ulterior Motives In ... - 8/8/2015 11:07:49 AM   
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Just had to tell you looked at your profile and loved the pics you posted. Gave me a laugh and a smile I needed today.


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RE: Does It Seem Like Everyone Has Ulterior Motives In ... - 8/8/2015 11:36:02 AM   
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LucyLastic

Just had to tell you looked at your profile and loved the pics you posted. Gave me a laugh and a smile I needed today.


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Hi there Dave, I'm glad it gave you a smile.


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RE: Does It Seem Like Everyone Has Ulterior Motives In ... - 8/8/2015 12:19:02 PM   
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Some people have ulterior motives no matter what. I'm recalling a woman that I got to know at a party once and I really liked her. I was kind of pleased that I found a new friend. Until she finally broke into "Come to my herbal medicine party and buy my stuff" or whatever she was selling. Immediate dislike.

So sure, people can have ulterior motives. But no, I don't think everyone does.

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RE: Does It Seem Like Everyone Has Ulterior Motives In ... - 8/8/2015 1:13:41 PM   
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Let me see if I have this straight. You tell us you are trolling for free sex with ProDommes and you think they are the ones with ulterior motives? Seems the other way around if you ask me. Seriously . . . is this what you wanted to post, because that is the what you are telling us?

They have been giving you a free sample and when the second session comes around, it's time to pay or earn your keep. How can you complain about getting freebees in the first place?



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RE: Does It Seem Like Everyone Has Ulterior Motives In ... - 8/8/2015 1:29:48 PM   
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Everybody has something they want.

What you need to do is look at how they go about obtaining it.

If you take what you want with no consideration for others, you might be considered a hot Dom by some, and just an asshole by others. If you apply the same methodology as a submissive or slave, odds are you'll be doubly judged (as you already were here, and frankly I see no fault in the posited logic).

Don't confuse greed with confidence, however. If a person clearly states what they want - and they are entitled to - then complaining when they follow through reflects against you, not the other person. you only get a say when they involve you and accept your needs and wants as part of the package. Until then, it is what it is.

One thing no one seems to have addressed yet: OP, what exactly did you expect to get out of these encounters yourself beforehand? What goals were on your agenda, and how transparent were those goals to the other parties?



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RE: Does It Seem Like Everyone Has Ulterior Motives In ... - 8/8/2015 2:43:43 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

You had two sessions with two pro dommes? You paid for the sessions, the sessions were fine, but they asked you to do something you werent prepared to do and you left
Am I getting the positions right so far?

I dont want to assume anything before I answer your broader question.



Neither were Pro-Dommes. I met both at social gatherings at different times. I told them I'm looking for a life-style Mistress and they both agreed.

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RE: Does It Seem Like Everyone Has Ulterior Motives In ... - 8/8/2015 2:46:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

Let me see if I have this straight. You tell us you are trolling for free sex with ProDommes and you think they are the ones with ulterior motives? Seems the other way around if you ask me. Seriously . . . is this what you wanted to post, because that is the what you are telling us?

They have been giving you a free sample and when the second session comes around, it's time to pay or earn your keep. How can you complain about getting freebees in the first place?





I never said I was trolling for free sex. I'm looking for a life-style Mistress. I met both at different social gatherings and they agreed. They were not Pro-Dommes and no money was exchanged. Why do some people assume that all Dominant women want money?

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RE: Does It Seem Like Everyone Has Ulterior Motives In ... - 8/8/2015 3:10:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WickedestDesires

Pro dommes typically require cash, almost none provide a legitimate service, yet they infest the scene and lifestyle with their usual folderol self justifications of nothing off coherent sense.



Actually, prodommes are usually the same people who open and run dungeons, sponsor classes and workshops, get conventions started, build and sell toys/clothes, make our porn, etc. Prior to the internet and still even now, pro dommes are responsible for starting and maintaining large portions of our community.

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RE: Does It Seem Like Everyone Has Ulterior Motives In ... - 8/8/2015 4:09:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TimYearneau

Most women tell me that men have "ulterior motives" when asking for a date. Basically, men will do and/or be anything to have sex. Besides that, it seems like everyone has ulterior motives.

1. I met a dominant woman at a social event and had two sessions with her. On the second session she said she is started a new business, Escort Service, and gave me her business cards and ordered me to start handing them out. She also wanted me to get an Escort once a week, and she will give me a special discount at $150.00. I wrote to her and told her it seems like she has ulterior motives for having submissives, mainly to promote her business. She denied it.
2. I met another dominant woman and had two sessions with her. On the second session she brings in another male and I objected and left. After exchanging more emails with her it seems like she was more interested in pleasing her man than having a male submissive.

Well, those are just two experiences I've had.

Does it seem to you that people (men and women) have ulterior motives when getting into relationships?


The first woman could have been a pro Domme in the first place, and she wanted you to slip into the life slowly with her and see what happens. She then started to go down the road that she was in, being a pro Domme.

The second female may have been a switch, and so on the instance bringing the male because she might have been submissive to him and a Domme to a few men, simple.

My question would be did you discuss things with both women before hand ? The decisions that they made would not have been made over night. If you did meet these women and just jump into it with them, then whom is at fault ? COMMUNICATION is a core of any relationship. How long were you communicating with the females before starting with them. If you met them at gatherings, did you ask around about them and see what their experience was ?

You have come across two females that did not meet your criteria, live and learn. When you get to about 1000 females then let us know what the percentage is.

As so far there is only two, you have a flawed pool of testing for your hypothesis.

Have a good day.

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RE: Does It Seem Like Everyone Has Ulterior Motives In ... - 8/8/2015 4:58:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MoxieMcfly


quote:

ORIGINAL: WickedestDesires

Pro dommes typically require cash, almost none provide a legitimate service, yet they infest the scene and lifestyle with their usual folderol self justifications of nothing off coherent sense.



Actually, prodommes are usually the same people who open and run dungeons, sponsor classes and workshops, get conventions started, build and sell toys/clothes, make our porn, etc. Prior to the internet and still even now, pro dommes are responsible for starting and maintaining large portions of our community.

Agreed utterly


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RE: Does It Seem Like Everyone Has Ulterior Motives In ... - 8/8/2015 5:45:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TimYearneau


quote:

ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

Let me see if I have this straight. You tell us you are trolling for free sex with ProDommes and you think they are the ones with ulterior motives? Seems the other way around if you ask me. Seriously . . . is this what you wanted to post, because that is the what you are telling us?

They have been giving you a free sample and when the second session comes around, it's time to pay or earn your keep. How can you complain about getting freebees in the first place?





I never said I was trolling for free sex. I'm looking for a life-style Mistress. I met both at different social gatherings and they agreed. They were not Pro-Dommes and no money was exchanged. Why do some people assume that all Dominant women want money?

My bad for misunderstanding your use of the term session and thinking that running an escort service made someone a pro. My apologies for making assumptions instead of asking questions.

I do not presume all Dominant women want money... I presume all human beings want money. Although I am sure you meant that in a different way. I also presume someone running an escort service is generally interested in making money. Hence my presumptions you were hooking up with pros. My bad, carry on.

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RE: Does It Seem Like Everyone Has Ulterior Motives In ... - 8/8/2015 6:19:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

quote:

ORIGINAL: TimYearneau


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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

Let me see if I have this straight. You tell us you are trolling for free sex with ProDommes and you think they are the ones with ulterior motives? Seems the other way around if you ask me. Seriously . . . is this what you wanted to post, because that is the what you are telling us?

They have been giving you a free sample and when the second session comes around, it's time to pay or earn your keep. How can you complain about getting freebees in the first place?





I never said I was trolling for free sex. I'm looking for a life-style Mistress. I met both at different social gatherings and they agreed. They were not Pro-Dommes and no money was exchanged. Why do some people assume that all Dominant women want money?

My bad for misunderstanding your use of the term session and thinking that running an escort service made someone a pro. My apologies for making assumptions instead of asking questions.

I do not presume all Dominant women want money... I presume all human beings want money. Although I am sure you meant that in a different way. I also presume someone running an escort service is generally interested in making money. Hence my presumptions you were hooking up with pros. My bad, carry on.



@ResidentSadist,
Thank you. I've always enjoyed reading your comments. You're input is always appreciated

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RE: Does It Seem Like Everyone Has Ulterior Motives In ... - 8/8/2015 7:20:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TimYearneau
I never said I was trolling for free sex. I'm looking for a life-style Mistress. I met both at different social gatherings and they agreed. They were not Pro-Dommes and no money was exchanged. Why do some people assume that all Dominant women want money?


I thought the same thing that RS did, maybe because I remembered a thread you started not too long ago, asking if dommes were usually poor people because they always asked for money?

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RE: Does It Seem Like Everyone Has Ulterior Motives In ... - 8/8/2015 8:09:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TimYearneau


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

You had two sessions with two pro dommes? You paid for the sessions, the sessions were fine, but they asked you to do something you werent prepared to do and you left
Am I getting the positions right so far?

I dont want to assume anything before I answer your broader question.



Neither were Pro-Dommes. I met both at social gatherings at different times. I told them I'm looking for a life-style Mistress and they both agreed.

Thanks for the response Tim.
Ok so I had the scenarios wrong,
I take a session as a paid "play time/scene" which is why I asked.
The first lady...became an escort service as you were getting to know her, did she mention this to you in your emails and chats or during your sessions.
Many people use the word networking to get their business growing, passing out cards, facebook, twitter, to promote their businesses, and she may have thought word of mouth is a definite asset. You decided to forgo the 150$ escort... I dont blame you.
You walked away, you had the presence of mind to say nope not going down this path.
Everyone likes making money, it depends on your moral /ethical stance, and the fullness of your wallet that decides whether thats an ulterior motive or not.


Had you spoken to the second woman about forced bi, or that you had bi fantasies?
now personally if I was faced with the same dilema i would have been pissed that she introduced a third party without telling you about it, or discussing you, it would have been not only no, but hell no.
Oh and he may NOT have been her "dom" there are a lot of men who like to watch their SO with another man.. but if you knew nothing about it, then I would have walked out too.
Depending on how long she had been with her "man" My man would come before a prospective sub.
BUT I would not expect any interaction with a third party without being thoroughly discussed and agreed to.
I would have walked out too...probably gotton quite nasty about it as well.
Ulterior motive in the first case, maybe...but a new business will suck up a lot of motives.

Ulterior motive in the second case..not so much.....if she didnt discuss it with you previously, then I would have nothing to do with her again...boundaries not kept. but as an ulterior motive...possibly, maybe over excitement at coming across someone with a kink for bi....I dunno her side of the story. Again you walked away, an unpleasant life lesson, but learn from it, and move on.

As Everyone having an ulterior motive. thats what comes of having dreams and ambition. SOme play the long game, some play the short game, some do it with a passion, some do it by design and some do it by accident. and some dont realise they are doing it. Until its pointed out to them.

You have to be self aware...we all want things, not just money, how we go about getting "things", IS an ulterior motive. Using other people as a means to an end, happens VERY VERY often, in every aspect of life.
You walked out of it, of your own volition, you did the right thing for you...just dont assume, that every women/dommes/doms/subs/slaves/men/trans/ have a motive...thats a horrible way to live. it sucks the happiness right out of you....
just m y 2 cents




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RE: Does It Seem Like Everyone Has Ulterior Motives In ... - 8/8/2015 8:11:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

quote:

ORIGINAL: TimYearneau


quote:

ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

Let me see if I have this straight. You tell us you are trolling for free sex with ProDommes and you think they are the ones with ulterior motives? Seems the other way around if you ask me. Seriously . . . is this what you wanted to post, because that is the what you are telling us?

They have been giving you a free sample and when the second session comes around, it's time to pay or earn your keep. How can you complain about getting freebees in the first place?





I never said I was trolling for free sex. I'm looking for a life-style Mistress. I met both at different social gatherings and they agreed. They were not Pro-Dommes and no money was exchanged. Why do some people assume that all Dominant women want money?

My bad for misunderstanding your use of the term session and thinking that running an escort service made someone a pro. My apologies for making assumptions instead of asking questions.

I do not presume all Dominant women want money... I presume all human beings want money. Although I am sure you meant that in a different way. I also presume someone running an escort service is generally interested in making money. Hence my presumptions you were hooking up with pros. My bad, carry on.

that was my first thought... from the use of session:)


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RE: Does It Seem Like Everyone Has Ulterior Motives In ... - 8/8/2015 8:16:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


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ORIGINAL: TimYearneau
I never said I was trolling for free sex. I'm looking for a life-style Mistress. I met both at different social gatherings and they agreed. They were not Pro-Dommes and no money was exchanged. Why do some people assume that all Dominant women want money?


I thought the same thing that RS did, maybe because I remembered a thread you started not too long ago, asking if dommes were usually poor people because they always asked for money?




There are so many people who assume that male subs are trolling for free sex. I've never come across women asking for money until I corresponded with Dominant women on this site. I just wondered if Dominant women tend to be poor? How does that equate to looking for free sex? Now that I've been to social gatherings I know that isn't true. Just because someone is new and is asking questions on the forum doesn't mean that he is trolling for free sex.

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RE: Does It Seem Like Everyone Has Ulterior Motives In ... - 8/8/2015 8:27:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: TimYearneau


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

You had two sessions with two pro dommes? You paid for the sessions, the sessions were fine, but they asked you to do something you werent prepared to do and you left
Am I getting the positions right so far?

I dont want to assume anything before I answer your broader question.



Neither were Pro-Dommes. I met both at social gatherings at different times. I told them I'm looking for a life-style Mistress and they both agreed.

Thanks for the response Tim.
Ok so I had the scenarios wrong,
I take a session as a paid "play time/scene" which is why I asked.
The first lady...became an escort service as you were getting to know her, did she mention this to you in your emails and chats or during your sessions.
Many people use the word networking to get their business growing, passing out cards, facebook, twitter, to promote their businesses, and she may have thought word of mouth is a definite asset. You decided to forgo the 150$ escort... I dont blame you.
You walked away, you had the presence of mind to say nope not going down this path.
Everyone likes making money, it depends on your moral /ethical stance, and the fullness of your wallet that decides whether thats an ulterior motive or not.


Had you spoken to the second woman about forced bi, or that you had bi fantasies?
now personally if I was faced with the same dilema i would have been pissed that she introduced a third party without telling you about it, or discussing you, it would have been not only no, but hell no.
Oh and he may NOT have been her "dom" there are a lot of men who like to watch their SO with another man.. but if you knew nothing about it, then I would have walked out too.
Depending on how long she had been with her "man" My man would come before a prospective sub.
BUT I would not expect any interaction with a third party without being thoroughly discussed and agreed to.
I would have walked out too...probably gotton quite nasty about it as well.
Ulterior motive in the first case, maybe...but a new business will suck up a lot of motives.

Ulterior motive in the second case..not so much.....if she didnt discuss it with you previously, then I would have nothing to do with her again...boundaries not kept. but as an ulterior motive...possibly, maybe over excitement at coming across someone with a kink for bi....I dunno her side of the story. Again you walked away, an unpleasant life lesson, but learn from it, and move on.

As Everyone having an ulterior motive. thats what comes of having dreams and ambition. SOme play the long game, some play the short game, some do it with a passion, some do it by design and some do it by accident. and some dont realise they are doing it. Until its pointed out to them.

You have to be self aware...we all want things, not just money, how we go about getting "things", IS an ulterior motive. Using other people as a means to an end, happens VERY VERY often, in every aspect of life.
You walked out of it, of your own volition, you did the right thing for you...just dont assume, that every women/dommes/doms/subs/slaves/men/trans/ have a motive...thats a horrible way to live. it sucks the happiness right out of you....
just m y 2 cents



Thank you for your input. I do realize my fault in that I "jumped" into it without knowing either of them too well. I didn't know what the proper terminology is when you meet a life-style dominant woman for a date and/or platonic play. I just used the word "session."

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