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Advertising - 8/10/2015 6:51:53 PM   
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I've often heard the comment put out there that a person has to make themselves stand out, to get noticed, to in turn find a partner. This always makes me cringe, because it seems to devalue who the person is in the first place.

I'm curious about the general consensus, if there is one on this matter - is it not enough, to be enough?

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RE: Advertising - 8/10/2015 7:02:25 PM   
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I've always just been me, no putting on an act, no doing/saying/acting in a way that I'm not every day of my life. My thoughts were always.....what you see is what you get, like it or leave it.

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RE: Advertising - 8/10/2015 8:42:37 PM   
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Yeah, you do need to get noticed.

That doesn't mean you need to make some sort of flashy display designed to attract attention, but it does mean that you need to be sure that people who would be interested in you after they get to know you have some sort of sign/clue/indication/alert that you would be the type of person they would be interested in knowing so that they will be willing to actually put in the time to get to know you.

There are too many people on this planet for me to know them all, so I tend to limit myself to people who I think I might like after getting to know them... especially online.

A profile such as your own that says "it's better to ask" gets skipped by me, because there is no indication whatsoever that it'll be worth my time to ask. There isn't really an indication that it would be a waste of time to ask either though, it's just a matter of, considering my limited resources, I need a positive sign that it might be worth my time, before engaging. It's a matter of managing my time.

So yes, in order to give somebody like me the sign that it'll be worth my time to ask, you need to advertise. That doesn't mean I need some grand spectical, but I do need to see enough of a glimpse of what we might have in common to intrigue me enough to ask.

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RE: Advertising - 8/10/2015 9:14:52 PM   
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I agree. It is really annoying when someone writes me and says, if you want to chat, just ask me questions.

That will not be happening.

You wrote me, you should make it interesting enough for me to engage with you.

That's not advertising; it's common sense.

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RE: Advertising - 8/10/2015 9:46:44 PM   
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Online we have no way to make ourselves visible to anyone without some effort. In person I would agree that we needn't do anything but be ourselves. The medium is the determinative factor.

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RE: Advertising - 8/10/2015 9:59:37 PM   
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I agree with Sexy Red, 100%.
Also if I get one word answers, Im done. If I put in effort to get to know, that person should too. I dont advertise myself per se, but My profile is an advertisement.


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RE: Advertising - 8/10/2015 10:00:18 PM   
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It continues to amaze me how people work.

UllrsIshtar, your logic seems to be based almost solely on my profile. This topic wasn't even about me, it was about how people evaluate other people, but since you've chosen to be viscerally personal, let's put my whole profile here for a moment.

"I am a storyteller without an audience; a lone father with a bright young lad; an unoppressive leader.

Friends are all I seek. I am not the sum of a handful of scribbled thoughts, so it is better to ask. It is how we educate ourselves, and one another. To the one I know will read this: be safe. you are remembered."

Read this however you want, but don't skim it to the point that you lose all sense completely.

It says right upfront that I'm a single father, that I don't believe leadership is oppression, and that I only want friends. It says that because I'm not ready to go after someone else right now. I had a relationship of three years end in a spat of cheating and lying that was so brutal that I do not want anything more than friendship until that wound heals. The scribbling refers to my journal, which is three years and hundreds of entries long, and says quite a lot about me if someone is inclined to read it. Telling people to ask about what I write is an invitation to offer commentary and criticisms, which I rarely get and would, as a writer, appreciate. It's not a hook to get a girl interested - I'm not that dense.

And if you're wondering, yes, the last line is directed towards my ex. I don't like being hateful towards others, even if they do hateful things to me.

So my profile says a lot about me, and is quite fitting to the purpose I want it to serve, but none of it, whatsoever, has anything to do with the topic at hand. I'll remind you, again, what the topic is, since it was totally derailed by a very unimaginative assumption that this thread is about me and not about the ethics of social interaction. (Sorry, I'm loud and crude at times, but not quite that arrogant - unoppressive, remember?)

Are people so busy, as you put it, to take the time to know someone without having them advertise themselves? Do you have to force others to consider you interesting before they frankly give a damn? If so, I can say for myself that it seems a bit ADD/ADHD to expect people to grab you and take your interest from you to matter or count for anything. If we are so deluged as a society that nothing counts without a forcible invocation of personal stimulation, what does that say about the development of the modern individual? Of course people will be drawn to things they find interesting, but inflation of the ego to the point that it overrides intellect and the natural urge to discover and learn, seems absurd.

Though it seems that that's exactly the case here. Even the tacit assumption that this was about me speaks volumes - it assumes that I'm driven enough by ego to feel the need to do such a thing in the first place, which is kind of funny when who I am is actually taken into consideration. The idea of this being an intellectual exercise in exploring how people interact with one another was completely overlooked by said assumption, which in a strange way fits nicely with the idea that people also need to be stimulated to react in interest, a prod of ego in place of the natural desire to learn.

That's assumptive in and of itself, actually more theoretical, and while unfortunately also amazingly negative it has its place within the boundaries of the topic. If I were to move on that theory as a base, I would have to reply that this is precisely why I am so "antisocial". I'm not driven by what I need from others. I don't need to be flattered or bamboozled with any display, nor do I need to have a reason handed to me to be a sociable person. I'll send a friendly wave to someone just for looking at my profile, with no expectation of a reply. It's neighbourly. Sometimes the person who looks at me has a blank profile, no sign/clue/indication/alert of anything, as you say, and I can still say, how's the weather down in [wherever they are from]? If they want to talk, cool, and if they don't it's fine with me. The onus is not on them to be interesting in order for me to engage in pleasantries and kindness.

And that beings me back to the core of the topic as stated originally - is it not enough, to be enough?


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RE: Advertising - 8/10/2015 10:37:30 PM   
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This:

quote:

ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2

Online we have no way to make ourselves visible to anyone without some effort. In person I would agree that we needn't do anything but be ourselves. The medium is the determinative factor.


and this:

quote:

ORIGINAL: TNDommeK

I agree with Sexy Red, 100%.
Also if I get one word answers, Im done. If I put in effort to get to know, that person should too. I dont advertise myself per se, but My profile is an advertisement.




Too many are incapable of putting in ANY effort for more than a day or two or three. (Long enough to realize I really DON'T play around online. It's sad really.)

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RE: Advertising - 8/10/2015 10:50:31 PM   
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then they disappear after that.
or worse, the ones who will talk wonderfully for like two weeks then poof! gone. no word or reason.


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RE: Advertising - 8/10/2015 10:57:44 PM   
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Two weeks is like a thing -- the maximum amount of time they can sustain the fantasy that they are not married or attached, or really plan to meet someone in person, or whatever.

It's usually a week. Just long enough to enjoy the fantasy without getting caught.

Then poof.

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RE: Advertising - 8/10/2015 11:03:29 PM   
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I think you are right.

I just hate wasting my time. Hubby has a completely different outlook on it. He says "you cant make a person chose Heaven over Hell" He says that bc usually they have some kinda sob story about where they live and how horrible it is, bla bla bla. Imma tell you, some of these cities that these girls are from...Honey! Id be on the first thing smokin outta there. This one girl said where she lived was a chicken plant (WHERE SHE WORKED)and a freds, and a grocery store. Id be GONE!

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RE: Advertising - 8/10/2015 11:16:53 PM   
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quote:

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It continues to amaze me how people work.

UllrsIshtar, your logic seems to be based almost solely on my profile. This topic wasn't even about me, it was about how people evaluate other people, but since you've chosen to be viscerally personal, let's put my whole profile here for a moment.



Sorry if it seemed that way. It's wasn't based solely on your profile.
I used your profile as an example, because you're the on asking the question, but the answer was meant in general. To recap that answer without making it specific to you:

Yes, if I'm looking for a partner, I expect people to advertise themselves. This doesn't mean I want big, flashy displays, but I do look for hints that tell me that they are a person I would like after I get to know them. Without those hints, I don't take the time to get to know them, because I don't have the resources to get to know everybody indiscriminately. So yeah... I discriminate who gets my time and who doesn't heavily based on 'advertising'.


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RE: Advertising - 8/10/2015 11:42:09 PM   
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Now, specifically to your profile, seeing that apparently you took my first answer as very offensive and an attack on you personally (which it wasn't intended to be in the slightest btw).

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Read this however you want, but don't skim it to the point that you lose all sense completely.



I don't skim it to the point of losing sense. I read it and my judgement was: "a bunch of generic statements that could apply to any of a dozen people I know".

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Telling people to ask about what I write is an invitation to offer commentary and criticisms, which I rarely get and would, as a writer, appreciate.



I skimmed your journal for the first 3 pages. They I consider as 'advertisement'. They're not the type of advertisement I'd personally respond well to (too much poetry, too esoteric in the wrong style for my personal taste) but it's advertisement nonetheless. I also consider it the best form of advertisement, because it shows a clear glimpse of how you are, in a style that will attract some people and repel others.

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ORIGINAL: RemoteUser

So my profile says a lot about me, and is quite fitting to the purpose I want it to serve, but none of it, whatsoever, has anything to do with the topic at hand.



I never said your profile doesn't say a lot about you. I said that what your profile says about you to me is "skip".

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ORIGINAL: RemoteUser

I'll remind you, again, what the topic is, since it was totally derailed by a very unimaginative assumption that this thread is about me and not about the ethics of social interaction.


Jesus Christ... are you really THIS offended by me commenting that, yes I expect advertisement, and no your profile doesn't appeal to me?
Sorry I commented... and used you as an example to attempt to make a point... you should really try not to take it so personal.

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ORIGINAL: RemoteUser

Are people so busy, as you put it, to take the time to know someone without having them advertise themselves? Do you have to force others to consider you interesting before they frankly give a damn?



Yes I am that busy.

When I'm looking on a site like this, and have a profile up indicating as much, I get mail from about 20 different guys a day. That's about a 140 different guys a week.

I do not have time to get to know 140 different people every week, in any way that allows me to actually get to know a single one of them on anything but a superficial level.
I much prefer getting to know 1 or 2 of those 140 well enough to see if it'll lead somewhere than to spend time replying to all 140.

That means that of the 140 I will only reply to about 10 with a decent level of effort, and of those 10 weed out most fairly quickly.
Which 10 of the 140 get my effort is based on advertisement.

The same filters apply to me browsing profiles: if your advertisement doesn't grab me, I won't take the time to write you to get to know you to see if we would be compatible after all.

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ORIGINAL: RemoteUser

Of course people will be drawn to things they find interesting, but inflation of the ego to the point that it overrides intellect and the natural urge to discover and learn, seems absurd.



How you're reaching the conclusion that because I don't waste my time on people who don't draw me to spend time with them means that I don't have the nature urge to discover isn't clear to me. One doesn't not predicate the other.

I will tell you that despite the fact that I get as much mail a week as mentioned above when I'm looking, all 4 offline relationships I've had through this site have come from me contacting them... because I was browsing profiles, and their advertisement drew me.

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ORIGINAL: RemoteUser

Though it seems that that's exactly the case here. Even the tacit assumption that this was about me speaks volumes



I made no such assumption. I answered the question in a free flow thought manner, without reviewing or editing, after just having read your profile and so you popped in as the example. I assumed it was a general question.

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And that beings me back to the core of the topic as stated originally - is it not enough, to be enough?



It isn't when the purpose is to make other people know who and what you are -which tends to be the goal when attempting to find a partner- because other people won't have a clue what your form of 'being enough' is, and so will skip you by in favor of interaction with people whose advertisements show that their version of 'being enough' is compatible with theirs.

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RE: Advertising - 8/11/2015 12:11:05 AM   
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For quite a long time, now, I have believed that the way relationships in this lifestyle works (in very general terms) is that the dominant just kind of goes about their lives; hopefully, trying to be the best person they can be on a day-to-day basis.

The submissive kind of takes notice of the "cut of the dominant's jib" and that is where the ball starts rolling.

If you (RU) were to include some form of my insistence about self-improvement, I think we're, essentially, on the same page. If I may?

"Is it good enough for a person to just be the best person they can be? Is that enough?"

My answer becomes: "For the right person/people, yes."



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RE: Advertising - 8/11/2015 7:07:21 AM   
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Hmmm. So, I've got a lot of thoughts on this. I'm just going to share in no particular order.

1. I wait for someone to reach out to me online. I can, because Pussy Privilege. And I also wait from those messages for the ones that actually capture my attention.

Is this advertising?

2. I make my profiles wherever I am reflect me. Not all of me, but the me I would want people on those sites to respond to. Each is different. Each is me. I also keep journals and run blogs.

Is this advertising?

3. I told a very very good-looking young man who I am happily allowed to toy with that the main reason I noticed him to begin with is that he was wearing board shorts and a women's sports bra at a party. Without the sports bra, I probably would not have been intrigued. He's just a bit too smooth and polished, and he would not have gotten past my party ADD radar. As it is, I'm happy he did. He's a doll.

Is this advertising?

4. OkCupid's blog said that perfectly pictured women get less play than women with some sort of "flaw" that they play up. Perhaps a larger nose, or something. They suggested making use of your originality.

Is this advertising?

People can be themselves, and yet still stand out from the crowd. Yes, I look for that. But what attracts me and what attracts (or repels) others will vary wildly.

So, no, I don't think it's about advertising. I think it is about being yourself, 100% authentic and unapologetically. That, I think, will grab the people who respond well to you, repel the ones you don't want in your life, and overall, allow a happier living experience.

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RE: Advertising - 8/11/2015 7:58:49 AM   
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quote:

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If we are so deluged as a society that nothing counts without a forcible invocation of personal stimulation, what does that say about the development of the modern individual? Of course people will be drawn to things they find interesting, but inflation of the ego to the point that it overrides intellect and the natural urge to discover and learn, seems absurd.




Were it not for the particular photo that he chose for his profile on the "other side" here, I never would have met my partner.

Of course, there is a lot more to him than what is depicted in that photo- but it was that photo which inspired me to contact him.

"Forcible invocation of personal stimulation"? I prefer to describe it as "I couldn't resist making a snarky comment about the man and his llama on a hiking trail".

I don't believe that trying to make oneself stand out devalues the person in the least. Of course a photo or a couple of words on a profile probably isn't going to be the "sum of the person". I view it more as a conversation starter. No doubt that I overlooked a hell of a lot of wonderful people as I was perusing profiles, but such is the nature of this medium. I knew what I wanted, and didn't see a reason to contact each and every person I came across to see if they would "fit the bill".

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RE: Advertising - 8/11/2015 8:03:24 AM   
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Ive never looked for partners or friends... I even outright despise "auditioning" for jobs.

Growing up people always just started following me around. Same thing with relationships... people just start following me around and if they are persistent enough we generally ended up together.

I actually took up something that could be considered "reverse advertising". I never liked all the attention I got and wanted people to leave me alone so when I was young I did the "try to dress scary" thing. Now anytime I go anywhere without daddy I pretty much dress like im muslim, loose black floor length skirt and oversized black boyfriend shirt and hat and giant sunglasses.... though living in the desert and being really sensitive to the sun also has something to do with that. I wear multiple sports bras to flatten out my boobs and make as many unflattering faces as possible. It actually developed into something of a fetish for me. Working at being unappealing, avoiding sex, how to get people to leave you alone with the least effort, to outright scaring people.

Still haven't figured out how to get rid of the polarizing love me or hate me that anyone who sees me has but ive managed to have a good deal of fun with the secondary reactions.

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RE: Advertising - 8/11/2015 8:18:28 AM   
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New women here can easily get over 100 emails a day. So yes, they're too busy. If your email doesn't have something in it that grabs her attention immediately, she'll just delete it without looking at your profile. The same exact way we fast forward through commercials on tv unless for some reason, they catch our eye.

Expecting strangers to want to take the time to find out all about every other stranger is weird. Do you stop everyone you pass on the street and ask them questions to determine if you want to talk to them, become friends? If not, why would you expect things to be drastically different online?

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RE: Advertising - 8/11/2015 6:26:31 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TNDommeK
Also if I get one word answers, Im done.


I give one-word answers, as a courtesy, when I don't want to carry the conversation further (which happens, for example, with out-of-state contacts).

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RE: Advertising - 8/11/2015 6:47:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: RemoteUser

I've often heard the comment put out there that a person has to make themselves stand out, to get noticed, to in turn find a partner. This always makes me cringe, because it seems to devalue who the person is in the first place.

I'm curious about the general consensus, if there is one on this matter - is it not enough, to be enough?


My guess is you're really asking if someone needs to be fake and disingenuous in order to stand out. The answer is no. Authenticity is an appealing quality. But, of course, you have to present yourself in an appealing manner.


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